Missing

[sw2cam]

Seems to be many KODAK cameras strategically missing from DCR's data base.

[Beowulff]

Seems to be many KODAK cameras strategically missing from DCR's data base.

Such as.........

:confused:

[David Metsky]

And who is applying this strategy, and to what end?

[sw2cam]

You want me to name a few? Ok lets see how about

Z612is
Z712is
Z812is
Z1012is
Z1015is

Who?, I don't run the board, your the senior member you tell us...who. Was that more then a few?, and still a short list.

[BigCTM]

There is an option on the database page to show discontinued models. If you check that option many of the models listed appear.

[Beowulff]

You want me to name a few? OK lets see how about

Z612is
Z712is
Z812is
Z1012is
Z1015is

I'm not quite sure exactly which "database" you're referring to, but it's obviously not Jeff's.

All the Kodaks you quote are listed in the database here on DCResources, and there's even a review of the Kodak Z712 IS HERE (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/z712is-review/index.shtml).

The first three on your list are all long-discontinued (2 to 3 years) models anyway, and of very little interest to most forum members. Why waste file storage with info that nobody wants to read?

Cheers :)

[sw2cam]

Missing from

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php

New, old, dicontinued, missing is missing if you want the camera or not. Two that you say are discontinued are not, three that you say have been
long-discontinued were sold on KODAKs site as little as a few months ago. Now if this is something you rather not read why do you waste the space to write a reply?

Missing is Missing

[Beowulff]

No problem at all for me to read your post and respond...


.....Now if this is something you rather not read why do you waste the space to write a reply?

I was just trying to point out and/or clarify your misconception that those five Kodak's aren't on the database. Did you at least follow my link to the Z712 by clicking HERE (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/z712is-review/index.shtml)?

Whatever..... ;)

[Margus]

Missing is Missing

Are they:confused:
Check the list of Kodak cameras (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=0&lcdSearch=0&storageSearch=0&priceSearch=0&cameraTypeSearch=0&zoomSearch=0&lcdTypeSearch=0&batterySearch=0&popSearch=Y&submit.x=26&submit.y=9) of this site again. They are not missing...

[sw2cam]

Missing from

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php

Put in the specs and evan the brand name and you get this

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=5&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&HD_Movie_Search=Y&flashSearch=Y&manCtrlSearch=Y&viewfinderSearch=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=18&submit.y=5

I has to be my fault ....

[Beowulff]

Uh... it doesn't have to be anyone's fault:


I has to be my fault ....

I can only assume that for some reason you're using a broken link(s). Can you let's know if my link to the Z712 IS is working okay?

Kodak Z712 IS Review (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/z712is-review/index.shtml)

If it's not, then you've got some sort of glitch at your end.

Cheers :)

[sw2cam]

Did I say anything about reviews. I post the link to the missing rigs. I guess you rather not look at it then you can say it's broken.

[David Metsky]

Some of the Kodak cameras don't have any data for viewfinder, which may be confusing the search mechanism. Also, your search attributes exclude a lot of the cameras you are looking for. For example, the Z612 shows "SD, MMC" as the storage type, while your search was looking for "SD/SDHC" which won't match. Change your storage type to "SD" and much more show up.

All the cameras are in the database. Some old camera seem to be missing the view finder field, but that is true of all brands. If you think that some cameras were moved to the discontinued group too early I'm sure you can ask Jeff. Otherwise the data base and the search mechanism is working just fine. As far as I can tell, you are complaining about a problem that doesn't exist. It has nothing to do with Kodak, it's just the way the software works.

Is there anything wrong with the way this search works:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=3&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=0&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&popSearch=Y&submit.x=33&submit.y=7

[Beowulff]

All the cameras are in the database..... As far as I can tell, you are complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.

Don't bother wasting any more time with this David.

Those that don't wanna see will never see LOL!

Cheers :)

[David Metsky]

Don't bother wasting any more time with this David.
It's not wasting time; I work in customer service and this is what I do. Teaching someone how to use the tool is much more valuable in the long run.

[Ray Schnoor]

Missing from

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php

Put in the specs and evan the brand name and you get this

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=5&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&HD_Movie_Search=Y&flashSearch=Y&manCtrlSearch=Y&viewfinderSearch=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=18&submit.y=5

I has to be my fault ....

You want me to name a few? Ok lets see how about

Z612is
Z712is
Z812is
Z1012is
Z1015is

Was that more then a few?, and still a short list.
Z612 (no IS) => only has 6MP, does not support SDHC result => will not show up in your search
Z712IS => only has 7MP result => will not show up in your search
Z812IS => only has 8MP result => will not show up in your search
Z1012IS => I don't see this one in the database
Z1015IS => 15x zoom result => will not show up in your search

reccomendation : don't put in so many search criteria, especially really new options such as HD video, as this will cut many cameras out of your search results.

Ray.

[sw2cam]

Z612 (no IS) => only has 6MP, does not support SDHC result => will not show up in your search
Z712IS => only has 7MP result => will not show up in your search
Z812IS => only has 8MP result => will not show up in your search
Z1012IS => I don't see this one in the database
Z1015IS => 15x zoom result => will not show up in your search

reccomendation : don't put in so many search criteria, especially really new options such as HD video, as this will cut many cameras out of your search results.


Z612 has is
Z812is has HD
Z1012is is a camera with HD
Z1015is with HD

Sorry no results
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=48&submit.y=6

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=38&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=2&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=3&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=26&submit.y=4

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&submit.x=19&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=1&submit.x=26&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&submit.x=27&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=0&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&popSearch=Y&submit.x=28&submit.y=5


Cheers David ....maybe you should give up.

[Rooz]

its obviously a conspiracy

[David Metsky]

OK, now you're just being willfully ignorant. The seaches don't show the cameras in question because your criteria were incorrect. It has nothing to do with Kodak, it's just the way you are using search improperly.


Z612 has is
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=2&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=0&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&stabSearch=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=27&submit.y=7


Z812is has HD
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=3&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=1&HD_Movie_Search=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=39&submit.y=6


Z1012is is a camera with HD
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=5&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=0&cameraTypeSearch=0&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=0&batterySearch=0&HD_Movie_Search=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=35&submit.y=10

It looks like it doesn't have any data for camera type or price, so don't set those attributes.


Z1015is with HD
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=5&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=5&lcdTypeSearch=0&batterySearch=0&HD_Movie_Search=Y&popSearch=Y&submit.x=47&submit.y=7

It's listed as discontinued.

The system just responds to the input you give it.


Cheers David ....maybe you should give up.
Are we done here?

[Ray Schnoor]

Z612 (no IS) => only has 6MP, does not support SDHC result => will not show up in your search
Z712IS => only has 7MP result => will not show up in your search
Z812IS => only has 8MP result => will not show up in your search
Z1012IS => I don't see this one in the database
Z1015IS => 15x zoom result => will not show up in your search

reccomendation : don't put in so many search criteria, especially really new options such as HD video, as this will cut many cameras out of your search results.


Z612 has is
Z812is has HD
Z1012is is a camera with HD
Z1015is with HD

Sorry no results
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=48&submit.y=6

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=38&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=2&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=3&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=0&submit.x=26&submit.y=4

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&submit.x=19&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=3&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=1&submit.x=26&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=2&storageSearch=5&priceSearch=2&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&submit.x=27&submit.y=7

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php?search=1&manSearch=7&resSearch=4&lcdSearch=3&storageSearch=4&priceSearch=0&cameraTypeSearch=1&zoomSearch=4&lcdTypeSearch=1&batterySearch=2&popSearch=Y&submit.x=28&submit.y=5


Cheers David ....maybe you should give up.
You know the names of the cameras and that they are Kodak. When I suggested not putting in so many search criteria, I meant cutting it. You still have a whopping 8(minimum) search criteria in the above searches. One wrong spec, or missing from the database, and you are out of luck.

If you just had search criteria of "Kodak" and "show discontinued models", every single one of your cameras would have been listed. Then you could have figured out why your searches were coming up with "sorry, no results". It seems to me that you are trying to configure searches with that result, or as David puts it "you're just being willfully ignorant".

Ray.

[Beowulff]

.....If you just had search criteria of "Kodak" and "show discontinued models", every single one of your cameras would have been listed. Then you could have figured out why your searches were coming up with "sorry, no results". It seems to me that you are trying to configure searches with that result, or as David puts it "you're just being willfully ignorant".

I like that phrase... "willfully ignorant". :D

Actually, it's more a case of people (in general) not having any knowledge about how databases are configured, and even less idea about searching them effectively.

Inserting too many search parameters is a very common mistake. As you've suggested, most people should start with only a couple of fields, and work their way up, and thereby narrowing their selection (of results).

Cheers :)

[sw2cam]

"Z1015is with HD

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca...=47&submit.y=7

It's listed as discontinued.

The system just responds to the input you give it.


Quote:
Cheers David ....maybe you should give up.

Are we done here?

Point is .... it's not discontinued so why does this site have it listed that way.

[David Metsky]

Point is .... it's not discontinued so why does this site have it listed that way.
First, you might want to learn how to use the quote function, it makes it much easier to read posts.

Second, the Z1015 was announced 20 months ago, it's old. I'm done, you need to get over this.

[sw2cam]

Did not use the quote function because I saw no need to add all the other dribble to my post

Now the facts are

Z1015is
Not discontinued
http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=13039&cm_re=page-13557-_-product-_-Z1015%20IS&pq-locale=en_US


Not introduced 20 months ago
Kodak EasyShare
Z1015 IS
Announced 10-Jul-08 and hit the streets some time after that.

So it seems like this site, the information you have is also skewd.

Facts are facts, all of the rhetoric you come up with does not change it.

[David Metsky]

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=1231

Date announced: 2007-07-10

Could the date be wrong? Sure, but the search mechanism doesn't care. If you have a complaint with the data in the system, ask to get it fixed. Drop an email to Jeff.

All this over a freaking typo.

[sw2cam]

David:
If it's not rhetoric it must be a typo ..... LOL

Again I'm just saying stuff is missing. I made one search under one brand and alot is missing, what might be missing of other brands if one kept looking.

Could the date you came up with be a typo? Maybe it's not a typo, but it's not correct.

[Ray Schnoor]

At least 1 point is:

None of the cameras you have mentioned are missing from the database.


You want me to name a few? Ok lets see how about

Z612is (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=836) (In database, but name of camera is Z612 (no is))
Z712is (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=1036) (In database)
Z812is (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=1113) (In database)
Z1012is (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=1165) (In database)
Z1015is (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=1231) (In database)



There may be incorrect information in the introduction date or some other search criteria, but to say

Seems to be many KODAK cameras strategically missing from DCR's data base.
is just incorrect.

Jeff has a forum to for people to point out improvements/suggestions/corrections in layout/reviews/news items/information. It is the very first forum on the main forums page here (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/).

You obviously know how to start a thread, maybe you could point out these items here (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) and then they would probably get corrected????

Ray.

Edit: Or at the very least, Jeff would explain the differences in information. His replies to posts within this forum are usually quite prompt.

[sw2cam]

Hello Ray nice don't ya think.....

[Ray Schnoor]

Hello Ray nice don't ya think.....
?????

Do you mean nice that Jeff has a method to rectify problems/inconsistencies with the site,

or nice that you do not really want these problems/inconsistencies you have pointed out to actually be rectified,

or nice that you completely ignore these methods even when pointed out, which magnifies the fact that you don't really care if they are rectified or that they really weren't problems in the first place?

Ray.

[sw2cam]

No Ray ......... I mean it's anice day don't ya think. The sun is out the birds are singing and the flowers are in bloom, and you still can't see the forest for the trees.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php

[David Metsky]

You're not making any sense. What you do from here on out is your business, I've given up hope that you're interested in anyone helping you with your perceived problem.

[sw2cam]

I don't see it as a problem. I only know that if one trys to use this " http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php " many many cameras do not show up, and you people rather put your heads in the sand then see the facts.