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forno
01-27-2009, 12:54 PM
Does this kind of thing happen in other countries ??

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24973878-421,00.html

Elisha
01-27-2009, 12:57 PM
not yet.
but i heard you can't crop ears and dock tails of dogs in Australia too?

Nickcanada
01-27-2009, 01:01 PM
We don't take our shirts off here in Canada... :p

te1221
01-27-2009, 01:10 PM
We don't take our shirts off here in Canada... :p

That's because it never goes above 60 degrees Fahrenheit there.




JK :D

GaryS
01-27-2009, 01:18 PM
lol Tim!

First off, I agree. That is ridiculous.

Second, why does everyone now have the right to not be offended by everything! There is always a line to be drawn when things to too far, but people are allowed to be offended... It's part of life!

The photographer should print off a few hundred copies of this shot and have people stick them up all over the library....

forno
01-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Im offended by these bloody ex school prefects thinking they have the right to comment on anything and everything they feel like flapping their gums over

GaryS
01-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Come on Forno, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel! :)

forno
01-27-2009, 01:53 PM
Come on Forno, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel! :)

:D
I dont want to get banned

adam75south
01-27-2009, 02:06 PM
We don't take our shirts off here in Canada... :p
that's because canadians don't have nipples. everybody knows that.

man the world is a weird place right now.

Nickcanada
01-27-2009, 02:18 PM
that's because canadians don't have nipples. everybody knows that.

man the world is a weird place right now.

That's right we feed our babies like birds do. We regurgitate our food and spit it into the mouths of our young, while we chant socialist propaganda thus infusing our liberal ideals into their soft minds.....

Rooz
01-27-2009, 02:38 PM
unreal.....

forno
01-27-2009, 03:17 PM
unreal.....

Sad! :mad:

Zoinac
01-27-2009, 04:41 PM
I guess once and a while all that money I seem to dump into an education pays off in more than just a tax return... :p

Issues like this really pop up all throughout history. I mean, ALL throughout. Art Vs. Censorship. But a particularly relevant case I thought I would delve into a little bit here is the case of Nan Goldin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Goldin) She was a really interesting photographer. She photographed the gay community, and later on the punk rock / underground scene throughout the late 80's in Boston. She put out a couple of books, the most known being The Devils Playground. This book is partly a documentary of the lifestyle of the underground gay community, and partly a autobiography of her living with drug addiction and in an specifit sub-culture. Personally, I get the impression that a lot of her reputation comes from the shock-and-awe of her images. Often showing nudity, drug use, abuse these kinds of things.

Anyway, she stirred up a lot of controversy in her time. But most people praised how she was so bold and her work so strong. Until one day, at one show came the image Edda and Klara Belly Dancing (http://grammarpolice.net/images/nan_goldin.jpg) (warning, if you are easily offended, or at work. Please, DO NOT click! NSFW) This image is taken and used in an artistic context. The intent was to portray how a child is vulnerable and exposed, yet so free in a safe environment. But it was very controversial and was actually banned at one point. She was even investigated for child pornography! Nothing came of the charges. And eventually her images have been shown.
But the controversy surrounding such art is ongoing. In 2007, Elton John dealt with legal issues when UK police siezed a numbered original of this print (part of a larger collection) from Elton's home. He faced child pornography charges. This was all cleared up of course, because it's art. But it just goes to show the nature of the sensitivity of people.

This kind of sensitivity to art isn't new, and won't change anytime soon. But, when it comes to our children. I think it's better that people look into and check out all things art, or not! I would rather that art such as this been looked into, not banned, but looked into than have a blanket "If it's art it's ok" loop hole in the system!

zmikers
01-27-2009, 05:42 PM
That's right we feed our babies like birds do. We regurgitate our food and spit it into the mouths of our young, while we chant socialist propaganda thus infusing our liberal ideals into their soft minds.....

Yup, "The People's Soviet Republic of Canuckistan" Eh! Just so you don't think I'm being absurd, some American politician actually said that Canada should change its name to this when commenting on our tax policies.:p

There's always some freak who thinks they know best and has to tell everyone to change their ways no matter how ridiculous or insignificant. That's not the problem. Them problem is that "we" listen to them.

te1221
01-27-2009, 05:54 PM
That's right we feed our babies like birds do. We regurgitate our food and spit it into the mouths of our young, while we chant socialist propaganda thus infusing our liberal ideals into their soft minds.....

That's what its all aboot :)

zmikers
01-27-2009, 06:04 PM
I guess once and a while all that money I seem to dump into an education pays off in more than just a tax return... :p

Issues like this really pop up all throughout history. I mean, ALL throughout. Art Vs. Censorship. But a particularly relevant case I thought I would delve into a little bit here is the case of Nan Goldin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Goldin) She was a really interesting photographer. She photographed the gay community, and later on the punk rock / underground scene throughout the late 80's in Boston. She put out a couple of books, the most known being The Devils Playground. This book is partly a documentary of the lifestyle of the underground gay community, and partly a autobiography of her living with drug addiction and in an specifit sub-culture. Personally, I get the impression that a lot of her reputation comes from the shock-and-awe of her images. Often showing nudity, drug use, abuse these kinds of things.

Anyway, she stirred up a lot of controversy in her time. But most people praised how she was so bold and her work so strong. Until one day, at one show came the image Edda and Klara Belly Dancing (http://grammarpolice.net/images/nan_goldin.jpg) (warning, if you are easily offended, or at work. Please, DO NOT click! NSFW) This image is taken and used in an artistic context. The intent was to portray how a child is vulnerable and exposed, yet so free in a safe environment. But it was very controversial and was actually banned at one point. She was even investigated for child pornography! Nothing came of the charges. And eventually her images have been shown.
But the controversy surrounding such art is ongoing. In 2007, Elton John dealt with legal issues when UK police siezed a numbered original of this print (part of a larger collection) from Elton's home. He faced child pornography charges. This was all cleared up of course, because it's art. But it just goes to show the nature of the sensitivity of people.

This kind of sensitivity to art isn't new, and won't change anytime soon. But, when it comes to our children. I think it's better that people look into and check out all things art, or not! I would rather that art such as this been looked into, not banned, but looked into than have a blanket "If it's art it's ok" loop hole in the system!

This is very interesting. I'd like to look into this artist more.

Rooz
01-27-2009, 06:06 PM
Until one day, at one show came the image Edda and Klara Belly Dancing (http://grammarpolice.net/images/nan_goldin.jpg) (warning, if you are easily offended, or at work. Please, DO NOT click! NSFW) This image is taken and used in an artistic context. The intent was to portray how a child is vulnerable and exposed, yet so free in a safe environment. But it was very controversial and was actually banned at one point. She was even investigated for child pornography! Nothing came of the charges. And eventually her images have been shown.!

there is always going to be a blurry line between what is art and what is porn...many push those boundaries. but with all due respect, the OP's image is nothing in the slightest bit like that one. i dont believe comparisons can be drawn between the 2.

Nickcanada
01-27-2009, 06:35 PM
That's what its all aboot :)

"aboot" hehehe.... it's so true... I say "aboot"

forno
01-27-2009, 07:00 PM
This is simply a case of the lowest common denominator leading the play, there will always be some prude that is offended by nudity in any form, even the innocent nudity of a child. 18 months old an 3 years old still describes a child in my book.

To go into the whole nudity/pronogrophy gives this complaint more credibilty than it deserves.

This is nothing more than a photo of children being children, nothing different than would happen at the local pool or beach.

The real issue is with the complainants view if the world

Rhys
01-27-2009, 08:24 PM
I don't get it. I see nothing wrong with pictures of men, women, children, animals etc clothed or unclothed. There is nothing wrong with that. Where the law goes bananas is in declaring all naked bodies to be pornography. Again, I don't have a problem with pornography - can't say that it interests me at all though - what I do have a problem with is the whacko that decided that anybody that looks at a photo of a nude child is evil. I would much rather the law concentrated on preventing sexual exploitation than this nonsense.

forno
01-27-2009, 09:05 PM
OK who hacked Rhys' account again:p

Rasidel Slika
01-28-2009, 12:27 AM
anywhere to see the pic in question of post #1? I clilcked around and didn't see it.

TheWengler
01-28-2009, 12:39 AM
anywhere to see the pic in question of post #1? I clilcked around and didn't see it.

Hmm, it was there earlier today. Not much to see anyway.

Edit: Found it (http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/innocent-photo-of-playing-kids-pulled-from-subi-exhibition-20090128-7rab.html)

Rhys
01-28-2009, 06:53 AM
That's nothing! I'm surprised some jobsworth objected to that.

Just like the belly dancing photo though, it just looks like a family snapshot though.

FLiPMaRC
01-28-2009, 09:16 AM
That's nothing. I have lots of baby pictures my parents took of me with no pants :D :p One of 'em was actually shown on a slideshow at my wedding :o

adam75south
01-28-2009, 09:20 AM
i think finding things to be offended about has become a hobby for a lot of people...and a career for others.

Rhys
01-28-2009, 10:47 AM
i think finding things to be offended about has become a hobby for a lot of people...and a career for others.

Darned right! I see so much rubbish going on. There was some on the TV news the other day. Some woman spanked her child briefly for misbehaving on an aeroplane and has been charged with air terrorism or some such nonsense.

That's all political correctness is - it's a way of finding reasons to be offended and a method of being nasty to people you don't like.

Rasidel Slika
01-28-2009, 01:04 PM
oh geez.. this is stupid.

Rasidel Slika
01-28-2009, 01:07 PM
is this an AU thing or have you seen this elsewhere as well?

adam75south
01-28-2009, 01:32 PM
Darned right! I see so much rubbish going on. There was some on the TV news the other day. Some woman spanked her child briefly for misbehaving on an aeroplane and has been charged with air terrorism or some such nonsense.

That's all political correctness is - it's a way of finding reasons to be offended and a method of being nasty to people you don't like.

another reason why i don't need a kid.

Rasidel Slika
01-28-2009, 01:35 PM
+1

heh life is hard enough as it is!

S_p_i_d_e_r
01-28-2009, 02:17 PM
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF215-Kitty_Photographer.jpg

Mark_48
01-28-2009, 02:22 PM
Not too much I find offensive, but a trip to the beach and seeing something like below disturbs me.


We don't take our shirts off here in Canada... :p

Is this why ?:D

From a Canadian News service...

Click here (http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=43c70157-aed6-4978-bd70-1295f6c5ed5e&usg=__jfn-ga9kalwjtjrlf8htpr5xxak=&h=210&w=210&sz=66&hl=en&hl=en&start=143&start=126&um=1&um=1&tbnid=6y1ibvec6_w2gm:&tbnh=106&tbnw=106&prev=/images?q=man%20boobs&ndsp=18&rlz=1g1gglq_enus253&sa=n/index.html)

Mark_48
01-28-2009, 02:25 PM
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF215-Kitty_Photographer.jpg

A 65 year old Grannie busted....

http://www.popphoto.com/popularphotographyfeatures/4130/how-a-photo-can-ruin-your-life-the-wages-of-sin-page2.html

adam75south
01-28-2009, 03:14 PM
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF215-Kitty_Photographer.jpg

lmao that's hilarious

S_p_i_d_e_r
01-28-2009, 03:26 PM
Here's another one

http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF211-Atlantis.jpg

tim11
01-28-2009, 03:47 PM
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF215-Kitty_Photographer.jpg

He would be alright had he got a digital camera. :rolleyes:

Honest Gaza
01-29-2009, 04:04 PM
i think finding things to be offended about has become a hobby for a lot of people...and a career for others.

Don't forget this is not a case of reacting to someone being offended.....this is in case someone is offended....even worse.

How come they're not worried that I worry that they are worried that someone will be worried ?

Rooz
01-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Don't forget this is not a case of reacting to someone being offended.....this is in case someone is offended....even worse.

excellent point.

zmikers
01-29-2009, 05:43 PM
Don't forget this is not a case of reacting to someone being offended.....this is in case someone is offended....even worse.

I agree, great point here. It's like putting locks on the locks that are on the locks that lock my house. When will it ever stop?


A 65 year old Grannie busted....

http://www.popphoto.com/popularphoto...sin-page2.html

I read this as well a while back. Absolutely ridiculous. I can not believe what this world is coming to. Yes, we have to protect our children, but not from Grandmas taking photos. How ignorant have we become.

Rhys
01-29-2009, 08:39 PM
In the extremist states of the world, any bare flesh merits a beating by the powers that be. In olden times, bare flesh merited quite a nasty time from the puritans. Now we just do it through the law - not physical punishment but something nastier that lasts a lot longer.

TheObiJuan
01-30-2009, 02:26 AM
The direction Australia is going astounds me. I see our nation leaning toward an "offend none" by censoring all sort of mentality.

zmikers
01-30-2009, 02:39 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but still sticking to the "offensive?" topic. I read in the news today that a school in a small town in Canada banned the singing of the Canadian National Anthem in the mornings because it "offended" some people:(. Which is worse, being offended by the singing of a national anthem when moving to a particular country or the school reacting to this by banning the song itself. I truly am sickened by the attitude of some people that they are the most important people on Earth and everybody should cater to their every will. If we stop catering to them, maybe they will stop complaining about everything!

adam75south
01-30-2009, 07:06 AM
Don't forget this is not a case of reacting to someone being offended.....this is in case someone is offended....even worse.

How come they're not worried that I worry that they are worried that someone will be worried ?

now that's a valid point.

Rhys
01-30-2009, 07:31 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but still sticking to the "offensive?" topic. I read in the news today that a school in a small town in Canada banned the singing of the Canadian National Anthem in the mornings because it "offended" some people:(. Which is worse, being offended by the singing of a national anthem when moving to a particular country or the school reacting to this by banning the song itself. I truly am sickened by the attitude of some people that they are the most important people on Earth and everybody should cater to their every will. If we stop catering to them, maybe they will stop complaining about everything!

It's even worse in Britain. People actually arrested for waving the Union Jack!

zmikers
01-30-2009, 07:41 AM
It's even worse in Britain. People actually arrested for waving the Union Jack!

:eek:Really? Now that's absurd.