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dr4gon
12-03-2008, 07:47 PM
Certainly about time we had one! Let's try to have a nice picture every day!

So if we could, let's have a few simple guidelines:


One picture per person per day max.
Every picture must be different.
EXIF Info (including lens used).
Comments/caption on the shot.

sparkie1263
12-03-2008, 07:52 PM
I will start it. Here is a image of the Barnegat Lighthouse.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/OldBarney1.jpg

Camera Make: SONY
Camera Model: DSLR-A100
Image Date: 2008:09:22 22:26:02
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 35.0mm (35mm equivalent: 52mm)
Exposure Time: 0.0031 s (1/320)
Aperture: f/8.0
ISO equiv: 200
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Center Weight
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

sparkie1263
12-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Day 2 Moved from other thread.
I though everybody would be tired of seeing my Hunting Shack. Anyway here is the masterpiece that Don designed and showed me how to pull off. Here is the link to how the project got started http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41502.
Thanks Again Don
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Hunting%20Shack%20Pano/PanoHDR.jpg

dr4gon
12-03-2008, 08:12 PM
Great shots. Only took a few tries on the pano ;). "Picture of the year" as don says! It's super wide now!! :eek:

Peekayoh
12-04-2008, 02:09 AM
I leave a lot of apples on the tree for the birds. It's December and this one is still hanging on (persistent heh!). It would be better if I'd caught the Blackbird with his beak in the till so to speak, but he's a wily old bird and quicker than me.

BTW, I used this particular lens to demonstrate how good it can be.

Camera: A700
Lens: Minolta 35-70mm f4
Focal Length: 35.0mm
Date: 03 Dec 2008
Exposure: Auto - 1/500 - ISO 100
Aperture: AP - f/8
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 03December 2008

PS. Does anyone know how to easily extract Xif data from the file.

dr4gon
12-04-2008, 04:48 AM
If you post process while leaving the EXIF intact, then you can use this handy firefox extension to read and copy EXIF info for any image on the web that has it.

It's called FXiF (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5673)

I see that your picture doesn't have EXIF on it, so there's not a chance you'll be able to do it easily from the one you have.

When I edit in Photoshop, it usually goes away when I "save for web" instead of using save as jpeg. But in lightroom, it's always retained :)

But, anyways id' be great to see a bird on it next time :p

sparkie1263
12-04-2008, 05:10 AM
Here is my image of the day. I can't seem to give up on HDR even though I cannot get it right. This an HDR from a single RAW image done in Daynmic HDR.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/FishFactoryHDRSingleRaw.jpg

oric1
12-04-2008, 06:20 AM
Ok, here's my jetty shot.

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: Sony DT18-70mm f/3.5-5.6
Focal Length: 18mm
Exposure: ISO 100
Exposure Time: 1/125
Aperture: f/11
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Pattern
Flash: No

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/3014778196_3989484f8d_b.jpg

dr4gon
12-04-2008, 08:01 AM
Frank, if it helps. I haven't been able to get any decent HDR type images from a single RAW. They just don't seem to come out that spectacular, probably because it doesn't really need the HDR treatment.

Oric, that's a very nice shot. The b&w makes those clouds look so stormy!

Peekayoh
12-04-2008, 03:29 PM
dr4agon, being lazy I was hoping someone knew of a way to extract the Xif camera metadata to save me typing it in here.:(

Frank, you're wasting your time trying to HDR a single image, although I'm no expert on the technique; I s'pose I'll just have to start using it.
A single image has all the information it's ever going to have right there and you're better off using "curves" to bring it out.
An HDR image requires two or more images ranging from properly exposed shadow areas (blown highlights) to properly exposed highlights (no shadow detail) and you really need to use a tripod.
Combining those images in 32-bit HDR can then depict the full dynamic range.

oric1, thats a great shot and a reminder that B&W still has it's place.

Second Severn Crossing Toll Bridge

This is my POTD, an evening shot of the Second Severn Crossing, it's a road bridge near where I live.

OK this one needed some post processing in CS3.
It was about 40mins before sunset (Sun just out of shot) and exposing for the foreground would "blow out" the sky.
So I used two exposures 1.0 EV apart, camera on tripod.
I took the two pics into photoshop and dragged the second pic onto the first (properly exposed sky on top).
I then simply masked off the dark foreground to expose the lighter foreground underneath.
The foreground was still quite dark so I gave it a bit of a tweak with Curves.
A bit of correction for barrel distortion and 0.5pixel unsharp mask to finish.
Hope you like it.

Camera: A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 17-35mm f2.8/4 D
Focal Length: 17mm
Exposure: Auto - ISO 100 - 1/400 0EV and 1/800 -1 EV
Aperture: AP - f/5.6
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 03December 2008

If you want to see where the bridge is. Go to google maps UK [ http://maps.google.co.uk/ ], search for "BS35 4HW" and zoom back a bit. The image is of the southerly crossing

sparkie1263
12-04-2008, 05:27 PM
Nice image of the bridge. I know you cannot get a true HDR from on image. It just simulates the HDR look. You can set the three different exposures from the one RAW image and get a decent HDR,
Frank

Peekayoh
12-04-2008, 06:20 PM
Hi Frank, I don't buy that explanation and whomever sold it to you did you no favours.

The camera sensor has a specific dynamic range and no amount of post processing will change that.
Yes you can take an image and, for instance, simulate an overexposure and the highlights will appear burnt out. But you can also reverse the process because the detail is still there, just hidden.
If the image was overexposed when you took it and the highlights are burnt out, there's no detail present to process, so you can fiddle about all you like and there'll still be no detail.
And yes you can use HDR processing to make a poorly exposed image look better but there are tools better suited to the job in Photoshop and in Elements.
On the other hand, a real HDR image aggregates the "good" data from however many frames you process and discards the "bad" data, so blown highlights are discarded in favour of more detailed highlight and so on with midrange and shadow detail. In this way you get an image with a greater dynamic range than can be recorded by the camera sensor in a single exposure.

I don't like to preach but you are better off learning good practise rather than wasting your time using HDR in a way never intended.
Done right, HDR can produce spectacular results but there are downsides, like your monitor can't reproduce the dynamic range of a proper HDR, neither can your printer, so the 32-bit HDR is reduced to 8 or 16-bit and squashed (dynamically) for viewing. Therefore, not every picture is suitable for HDR treatment and not every HDR looks impressive, and that's where the individual expertise of the photographer comes into play, again.

Peter (trying to be helpful)

Hey dr4gon, how much discussion like this is appropriate in this thread or should it be elsewhere.

millz
12-04-2008, 06:59 PM
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/mill98/DSC00410.jpg

dr4gon
12-04-2008, 07:01 PM
Peek, well done! I've done that as well. Great simple easy trick to do in photoshop with masks! The reflections are so calming! Did you use a tripod for this? or just really good steady hands and alignment? ;)

Peekayoh
12-04-2008, 07:10 PM
You're joking dr4gon! Steady hands at my age. Tripod, Tripod, Tripod! (get it)

dr4gon
12-04-2008, 07:15 PM
Got it! lol..... tripod = perfection everytime!

sparkie1263
12-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Thanks Peter
I have alot to learn both behind the camera and after the shot. I just like messing around to see what I come up with.
Frank

Peekayoh
12-05-2008, 06:16 AM
Millz, your image, to me, appears washed out.
That may be because I tend towards low key images unlike this one.
I would have post processed and given this a bit of a kick in the curves dialog.
Doesn't mean yours is wrong though.

oric1
12-05-2008, 06:26 AM
Thanks dr4gon & Peek.

dr4gon, actually a storm was approaching when I took that shot.

Peek, love that apple shot, very sharp & 3D like. Great lens!

The owl's eyes sure look as big as a marble :)

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: Tamron AF70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2
Focal Length: 300mm
Exposure: ISO 400
Exposure Time: 1/50
Aperture: f/5.6
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Pattern
Flash: No

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/3014778210_915679ff64_b.jpg

Peekayoh
12-05-2008, 07:09 AM
That's a beady stare if ever saw one. Good work.

As for the "Apple" lens, I was expecting that choice to stir up some debate, but it didn't. Go figure.

Peekayoh
12-05-2008, 07:12 AM
Come on guys, you're not posting.

SECOND SEVERN CROSSING TOLL BRIDGE

This is another shot of the same bridge I posted yesterday but about 20/30mins later.
The moon was present but needed some enhancement. Jup and Ven had to be slid in from the right.
Is this creative or cheating?

Oh yes! And similar layer blending technique as described yesterday.

Camera: A700
Lens: Minolta 28-135mm f2.8/4 D
Focal Length: 35mm
Exposure: Auto - ISO 100 - 1/200 +0.3EV and 1/250 -0.3 EV
Aperture: AP - f/5.6
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 03December 2008

Elisha
12-05-2008, 07:25 AM
the weekend is coming. i will have some to post soon....

seanhoxx
12-05-2008, 07:46 AM
Basketball starts tonight, 70-200 2.8 high ISO and 'noise control' time some bad low light action shots heading your way LOL

dr4gon
12-05-2008, 10:15 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2897578544_5919fd5eac.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/27107158@N07/2897578544/)
A300, 5 sec.,f/4.5, ISO100, 90mm Tamron Di

My favorite fireworks picture! Not much PP done, just cropped in tight and added a bit more color.

Oric, that owl shot is very nice! Focus is spot on.

Peekayoh
12-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Now that's a great shot; reminds me of a seeding dandelion.
Most firework shots tend to be colourful but messy. This one has a pleasing symmetry along with the burst of colour.
I would happily hang this on my wall (hint, hint, nudge, wink ...)

Elisha
12-05-2008, 11:49 AM
beautiful shot dr4gon....

sparkie1263
12-05-2008, 12:22 PM
Here is my next POTD.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/WaterLillieFinal.jpg

millz
12-05-2008, 06:14 PM
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/mill98/DSC00557-1-1.jpg

cropped this photo going to post original as well and see what you guys think

millz
12-05-2008, 06:15 PM
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/mill98/DSC00557.jpg

original photo lay it on me what do you think

jcray19
12-05-2008, 07:21 PM
Here is a picture I took on my (and y wife's) honeymoon in 2006. I did use Picasa to adjust the colors and saturation a bit. I am an amature at photography so try not to be too harsh on me. :)

Camera used: Konica Minolta (friend let me borrow for the honeymoon)
Focal Length: 70mm
Exposure: 1/200 sec
Aperture: f/5.6
ISO: 100

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/41/l_0dce757acd27440a828542d13fbff340.jpg

Peekayoh
12-06-2008, 05:13 PM
Millz, your pic demonstrates one of the problems of wildlife photography. The little devils take no notice of requests to "move over a little" or whatever. Unfortunately the out of focus bit of foliage turns the image into a snap. Not a "keeper", I'm afraid.

jcray, I like it. But I'd go even more intense and darker. I'd also get rid of the ugly building in the bottom right and the patch of sky top left adds nothing.

Peter

Peekayoh
12-06-2008, 05:19 PM
OLD SEVERN BRIDGE from BLACK ROCK

Here's the third and last in this series. It's the other Bridge to the North.

I almost didn't post this one; the sky is particularly uninteresting but there again it doesn't detract anything from the bridge.
However, I do like the composition, the heavy foreground anchors the image giving it depth and the mudbanks lead the eye back to the main subject.
Dunno, you tell me!

Camera: A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 17-35mm f2.8/4 D
Focal Length: 35mm
Exposure: Auto - ISO 100 - 1/400 -0.3EV and 1/250 +0.3 EV
Aperture: AP - f/5.6
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 03December 2008

Now the question is what to post tomorrow?

dr4gon
12-06-2008, 06:38 PM
Millz, the crop definitely works well! Good call.

Peter, I think the crop adds very nicely to the image by eliminating the distracting element(s) and focusing on the sunset! It's a very warm pleasing image.

The bridge's crop works well too. I would have probably done the same since the sky is very dull, hazy, and uninteresting. Can't wait to see what's for tomorrow!

Went to a local college's classical guitar concert a few weeks back. The Tamron 70-200mm was very beneficial for the stage lighting! Saw some poor Canonintes using what looked like the kit lens (something small) and I felt kinda bad! I've been there.....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/3069509724_d9c3c5595a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3069509724/)

Here was the professor for the class that was playing. I wish he had been facing my direction!

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure: 0.025 sec (1/40)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 200 mm
ISO Speed: 800

sparkie1263
12-06-2008, 07:01 PM
Here is the Brooklyn Bridge with the Water Fall Project.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/BrooklynBridgeNew1.jpg

seanhoxx
12-06-2008, 08:27 PM
A couple of shots of high school basketball, we lost, still need to fine tune the settings a bit. Maybe I should learn to shoot and process RAW? I find my stuff very inferior to 98% of the stuff in this thread.:( more practice.
1st. shot A700 with tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 at 70mm f/2.8, 1/400sec. +1.0EV, spot metering, ISO 2500, AWB. cropped. opposite end of gym
2nd. shot same as above but at 135mm.

sparkie1263
12-06-2008, 08:33 PM
Not bad Sean. Wait till you see my basketball images. I missed my grandsons first game today. I will be going to his next game and I will post some of my nightmare images.LOL I might try the 50mm because it is a small gym. Keep trying. I started using Manual mode for indoor flash.
Frank

seanhoxx
12-06-2008, 08:47 PM
All mine are with out flash, can't bring myself to use PUF in the gym LOL. The reflections off the floor are just one more thing to deal with! I posted 17 shots from the game on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hoxshotz/
Going to spend time working with Lightroom2 and Elements over the holidays.

dr4gon
12-06-2008, 08:55 PM
Here is the Brooklyn Bridge with the Water Fall Project.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/BrooklynBridgeNew1.jpg

Nice nighttime image Frank, it's just a bit crooked ;)

EXIF for that image:


Camera Make: SONY
Camera Model: DSLR-A100
Image Date: 2008:07:19 08:52:57
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 18.0mm (35mm equivalent: 27mm)
Exposure Time: 13.000 s
Aperture: f/22.0
ISO equiv: 400
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Center Weight
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)


Sean, those are great basketball shots from the game. The high ISO performance on the A700 is incredible!

Peekayoh
12-07-2008, 06:01 AM
Thanks Dr4gon, this thread's getting pretty interesting eh!
That bored (?) Prof's a study in BROWN, even the hair. I bet his shoes and socks are brown as well.

Sean, I do very few indoor venue shots so I'm a bit hesitant to offer constructive critisism on your shots, but what the Heh! BTW are you sure the first shot isn't Judo? And see that phoographer just behind no 41. He's going to blind someone.

The second one would be a great action shot except for two things; it's a bit fuzzy and the players are merging with the in-focus background.

ISO 2500 won't help the fuzziness (did you sharpen the image). I'd try to get down to 800 which would put the shutter at 125th but it may be possible with a monopod.

DOF is a bit more complicated. Using AP mode lock the camera at 2.8f zoom out to 200; DOF decreases with increasing magnification and the subject will better fill the frame anyway.
The second thing is to focus in front of the subject in order to bring the range of DOF closer to the camera and defocus the background. Generally speaking, the DOF will extend one third in front and two thirds behind the object of focus. I don't know the extent of DOF at 200mm of your lens (it can be worked out) but say it was 6m. That means that anything from 2m in front to 4m behind is in focus so you could focus say 3m in front and the subject still be sharp but the background will blur. For action shots you can only do this if you go to manual focus, pick your focus point and wait for the action to "come to you".

You won't get as many images if you try this but they should be better.
I tried to simulate a shot to show what I mean.

Hope this helps, Peter

sparkie1263
12-07-2008, 06:11 AM
These are images I posted before but the newer people here might not have see them. This is my daughter and granddaughter.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/NicoleandAngelenaLR1.jpg

dr4gon
12-07-2008, 06:17 AM
42485

hmmm, I realized I forgot to WB all the shots! :eek:. I thought the yellowing was kinda nice for some, but you made me realize that the color was off!

He was actually wearing a black suit. ;) In here it's a lot more black (but not totally as the stage lighting can do weird stuff).


Here's another:


42486

Peekayoh
12-07-2008, 07:51 AM
Yeh, stage lighting has a mix of colour temperatures. Impossible to get spot on.

Nice one (two) Frank.

Peekayoh
12-07-2008, 09:00 AM
FADED ROSE

Two for the price of one. The first is from the minolta 35-70mm f4. Second from Beercan.
Note the more contrasty rendition compared to the smoother Beercan (and shallow DOF). But terrific Minolta colour.

Camera: A700
Aperture: AP - f/8
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 19November 2008

Lens: Konica Minolta 35-70mm f4[1] Beercan 70-210 f4 [2]
Focal Length: 60mm [1] 70mm [2]
Exposure: Auto - ISO 100 - 1/100 +0.3EV [1] 1/25 +0.3 EV [2]

dr4gon
12-07-2008, 12:29 PM
Second has much better bokeh, but still quite distracting IMO. I think I would have tightened up on a few flowers and focused on those (or it). I think the one on top would have made an excellent candidate for more of a macro flower shot.

seanhoxx
12-07-2008, 12:31 PM
Peter thanks for the advice, I will try it out this week and see what I come up with, not sure even with a monopod how much motion blur I would get with 125 sec. isn't 320 about the min to avoid blur? I have got some pretty noise free shots at 1000, and 1200 ISO. I do think tighter framing less background objects and less cropping will make the shots seem far less noisy.

Elisha
12-07-2008, 06:57 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/elishajesudason/_DSC2220.jpg

File Size: 347 kb - 535 x 800

Camera Make: SONY

Camera Model: DSLR-A300

Date/Time: 2008:12:06 22:32:05

Resolution: 535 x 800

Flash Used: Yes (manual)

Focal Length: 50.0mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm...

Exposure Time: 0.013 s (1/80)

Aperture: f/2.5

ISO Equiv.: 400

Whitebalance: Auto

Metering Mode: matrix

Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

dr4gon
12-07-2008, 08:00 PM
Elisha, nice portrait. The background isn't too terribly dark, but something like 1/40 would have helped even more to lighten up the background. In a low light situation, don't be afraid to use also use that large aperture if need be (although it does get soft which could be a good and bad thing).

Peekayoh
12-08-2008, 01:12 AM
Yeh! Think you're right dr4gon, I should have gone tighter.

I think the same is true of Alesha's too. Nice one BTW Alesha.
I'd guess you were about six feet away, so if you'd moved in a couple of feet and gone down to f1.7 (both actions reduce DOF) the guy sitting on her head may have disappeared. You could also have moved left a foot or two to remove him from shot.

Peekayoh
12-08-2008, 08:30 AM
FROSTED ROSE

I think this is the last we'll see of the Rose Bush this year. We had our first real frost of the season night before last night so that should polish it off. Not that I'm complaining, you understand.

So here's a frosty view in the early morning sun. Brrrrr.....

Camera: A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 100-300mm f4.5/5.6
Focal Length: 120mm and 100mm
Exposure: AP//f5.6//ISO 400//1/1250//-0.7EV
and: AP//f5.6//ISO 400//1/2000//+0.3EV
White Balance: Daylight
Metering Mode: Spot
Flash: No
Date: 07December 2008

Elisha
12-08-2008, 09:53 AM
Elisha, nice portrait. The background isn't too terribly dark, but something like 1/40 would have helped even more to lighten up the background. In a low light situation, don't be afraid to use also use that large aperture if need be (although it does get soft which could be a good and bad thing).

the shutter speed is auto based on what the flash thinks it needs to get it properly exposed.
i think with the built in flash it would have defaulted to 1/60th.
i'll have to try going fully manual and see if i can get more ambient light.

sparkie1263
12-08-2008, 10:09 AM
Check out this link http://www.planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/3-dragging-the-shutter/. I read all the other pages.

Frank

dr4gon
12-08-2008, 10:13 AM
the shutter speed is auto based on what the flash thinks it needs to get it properly exposed.
i think with the built in flash it would have defaulted to 1/60th.
i'll have to try going fully manual and see if i can get more ambient light.

To allow a greater shutter and as an alternative to M mode, I will sometimes try S mode and set a shutter of something depending on the ambient lighting.

Elisha
12-08-2008, 10:28 AM
To allow a greater shutter and as an alternative to M mode, I will sometimes try S mode and set a shutter of something depending on the ambient lighting.

oh yeah i totally know how to use the Manual mode. used to use M on my FZ7 all the time for custom aperture and shutter speed trying too shoot a water drop.
but i have to admit i have not read the manual fully yet so i know how to change the shutter speed when in M but not how to change the Aperture.
might have the pull the book out when i'm on the long plane ride and read up.

dr4gon
12-09-2008, 07:16 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/3068669261_5e626fd539.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3068669261/)

Some mac n cheese!

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure: 0.008 sec (1/125)
Aperture: f/13
Focal Length: 90 mm
ISO Speed: 100

I was just messing with the wireless flash function on the F58AM.

DonSchap
12-09-2008, 08:49 AM
Why is it ... suddenly, I not so hungry? :rolleyes:

dr4gon
12-09-2008, 09:25 AM
...because I filled you up!

Peekayoh
12-09-2008, 11:16 AM
Now where're the Mince Pies ....... I know!

HAPPY CHRISTMAS

It's a bit early but what the heh!

ps. If you're watching Don, this would have been my entry.

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 17-35mm f2.8/4
Exposure: 1/15th sec
Aperture: f/7.1
Focal Length: 22 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Date: 09 December 2008

dr4gon
12-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Beautiful tabletop! The pen is a bit out of place, but actually it's probably to write that Christmas card isn't it? This shot would make a nice card in of itself! What kind of lighting did you use?

sparkie1263
12-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Great shot
Frank

Peekayoh
12-09-2008, 12:04 PM
Yep! That was my thinking on the pen, and yes I'm going to use it for some Christmas Cards.

Lighting was ambient with Sun reflecting off opposite wall.
Distance was 30" so I went to f7.1 to increase the DOF. Tripod of course for 1/15th shutter.
I underexposed slightly to enhance the colours but I had to boost the Candle Lamp in PS. Otherwise no PP apart from cropping and white point.
I thought about Yellowing it a bit but decided not.

seanhoxx
12-09-2008, 05:23 PM
Who the heck was nibbling on my mince pie!! Going to post a pic of the Christmas pudding? man I need to go and pick up some Samuel Smith's winter welcome!

ShaunZ
12-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Here's my first ever attempt at taking a Moon shot!! :D
Didn't come out quite as expected, but that's why I thought of posting it to get your ideas on how to improve.

Properties
Lens - Minolta 75-300mm f4.5-5.6
Focal length - 300mm
f5.6
1/250
ISO 400
-1 EV
White balance - auto
Metering mode - multi
AF - Centre
Steady shot - On
Tripod - Yes

Think afterwards I may have increased the exposure and maybe the brightness too.
I had to zoom in 100% to get this and then crop it. I read some where I'm supposed to "lock the mirror", I had a look through the manual but couldn't figure out how to do this. Also I don't have a Shutter release :(

So.. can this be improved just using settings and technique?
Is there any hope? :eek:

DonSchap
12-09-2008, 10:29 PM
Well ... at 1/250th sec ... movement is of little concern. The biggest issue is sharper focus and a bit more contrast. Moonshots are very popular. In fact, there is a whole section in the "Gallery" (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7132) (<- click on this), I believe, dedicated to it, along with settings to try. The biggest issue ... is the lens. As you can see ... yours happens to be "soft" at infinity. Most are. But then again, there are those that are not ... and that is the lens you need to seek out and "borrow" to do this correctly. Some shoot "killer sharp" at the long end and at inifinty.

Good luck on your search. :) The Moon will wait until you get back ...

Rooz
12-10-2008, 01:41 AM
just to add to Don's comments, you;re also shooting that lens wide open and fully extended. i;d suggest that is probably its absolute weakest point so you;re not giving it a chance.

shoot it at its critical aperture, (where its sharpest), and work everything else around that. my guess would be that its at f8. iso should always be 100. no reason to use 400 at all.

ShaunZ
12-10-2008, 03:13 AM
Thanx Rooz, yea that makes a lot of sense. I probably should have mentioned that I took the photos on Shutter priority. But thinking about it now I should have used Manual focus isnt it?

Sharper focus and more Contrast, thanx Don. I was going to take some shots tonight but it's been cloudy all night. I'll have to wait :)


Question - This is on another topic. I've got an Alpha 200 and I took some photos indoor at low light the other day. (I had some trouble with this before so I brought it up a while ago on a thread, and you guys gave me some good instructions, thanx)
So all is well but I find that at ISO 400 and above, there's a lot of grain. Is this normal?

DonSchap
12-10-2008, 09:19 AM
When you "up" the ISO, you are telling the SENSOR to work a lot harder to try and resolve the image (the light coming through the lens). Above ISO-400, on the introductory cameras, is an area that begins to "breakdown" and the image becomes noticeably "strained." You will get a brighter image, along with all sorts of "extra" data that needs to be cleaned out (disguised) by post-processing software (i.e., Noise Ninja or others).

From my personal experience, on the α700 camera, that breakdown of image quality usually occurs above ISO-1600, but that is also contingent upon how much light you have to begin with. Given certain lighting conditions and a digital sensor can generate noise at almost any ISO, it is just that some are better about not doing it than others.

Anyway ... this is just another reason to invest in a better body. The one thing bear in mind is that your digital camera body and its associated sensor IS your "FILM." The better the sensor ... the better the "FILM."

As the character Dirty Harry says at the end of the film, Magnum Force: "A man's got to know his limitations." Believe me when I say that it applies with photography equipment quite a bit.

When you are shooting a bright object ... drop your ISO to 100 or 200. Do not have it up at 400 or higher. You only do that to speed up your shot, which means you would have completely LOST the shot, had you not ramped up the shutter speed to "catch it." It is a photographer's decision, at that point. You are struggling to get the "best shot" with what you have available to you. The safest bet is to consider ISO-400 and ISO-800 indoor ISO ONLY, there is no reason to use it outdoors, normally, if the sun is up and it is not an eclipse.

I also recommend: Manual Mode; Aperture = f/4 or f/5.6; Shutter speed = 1/60; & ISO-400 for most indoor flash shots.

ShaunZ
12-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Thanx Don, you truly are "The Don" of SLRs...hehe :D

I knew the Alpha 200 is an entry level DSLR but didn't realise how important the sensor will be in all this. Having only bought it a few months ago I won't look at replacing it just yet, I've still got a lot to learn on all this.

I d/l Noise Ninja (free version) to see how it goes, but it seems to only work with compatible programmes like Photoshop which I don't have.
To be honest I've just been using the Sony software that came with the camera for post-processing and sometimes PhotoScape..
I tried Gimp but found my "tad bit outdated" laptop couldn't handle it :p
Time for a new laptop too I suppose :rolleyes:

Oh.. and I might have a solution for the "low light" issue after all, in the form of a lens..
I bought a Minolta 50mm f1.7, which should be arriving any day. I'll keep you posted on how that goes ;)

sparkie1263
12-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Drove down to the beach to get a few shots. It was a cloudy day. Not the best image. I will go back on a brighter day.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/SeaGirtSurf-1.jpg

sparkie1263
12-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Shaunz You are going to love that Minolta 50mm for indoor portraits. I just picked one up a bout a month ago.
Frank

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 03:44 AM
Frank, it doesn't look too sharp; were you using the Tamron?

sparkie1263
12-11-2008, 04:06 AM
It was the Tamron 28-200 not my 70-300. I am going back to shoot it again. It is about 25 miles from home and I have a job near there. Going to try a sunrise.
Thanks
Frank

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 05:08 AM
Remember that apple; well it's on the floor now and giving me a better opportunity to get a shot of the Blackbird. Unfortunately it's got it's back to the sun so the plumage detail is low. Also I was zoomed to 90mm instead of 135mm so it's a big crop.

AN APPLE A DAY

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/100th sec
Aperture: f/5.6
Focal Length: 90 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 10 December 2008

sparkie1263
12-11-2008, 05:11 AM
Nice image Peek
Frank

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 09:14 AM
Thanks, Frank.
I got these at the same time. I was still stuck at 90mm so it's a huge crop.

millz
12-11-2008, 09:22 AM
So when you say its a huge crop is that a bad thing. Just me but I dont see that as a big deal. Or i got to think about this I would suppose it would hurt the image quality or detail.

laydros
12-11-2008, 09:31 AM
Alright. I was pretty excited about this thread but I haven't participated yet. I haven't even been able to keep up. Now that my last exam is done I hope to get more involved. Skimming through I have seen some very cool images, so a pat on the back to all. Another downside to not being around as much is that I have to follow all the great work. I'll probably do a few from my beach trip a few weeks ago to start. My wife and I went to Nags Head on the outer banks of NC for a "babymoon."

The first night we went to the Wright Brother memorial, and we were there right around "magic hour" so I got some fun shots in.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/3055078950_6f725f13e7_b.jpg

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: Sony DT 70-300
Exposure: 1/50th sec
Aperture: f/6.3
Focal Length: 110 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Date: 21 November 2008

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 09:51 AM
So when you say its a huge crop is that a bad thing. Just me but I dont see that as a big deal. Or i got to think about this I would suppose it would hurt the image quality or detail.

Thats it millz, you answered your own question, really.
I screwed up big time with these last images. I took them at 90mm when I had a 135mm lens on (don't ask!). By not using the zoom to full advantage there are acres of grass (still are) and not enough subject. Subject detail would have been much better if I had done job properly.

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 10:58 AM
Now, that's a really nice sky, well the bottom bit is anyway.

The top bit is pretty uninteresting and so is the grassy foreground so you probably know what I'm going to say now. The two points of interest here are the Monument and the sunlit clouds and as neither your Zoom nor your feet got you into a prime position to compose the image, then your last resort is the "Crop Tool". It won't rescue every situation and this one's no exception, there's still an awful lot of nothing in most of the upper right quadrant.

What do you think, is an even more drastic crop called for?

Anyway, keep up the good work.

ps. the bit of guarding in front of the monument needs cloning out as well.

laydros
12-11-2008, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the feedback. It brings up about 50 composition questions I have, but I'll try to keep it short.

I looked at this from a rule of thirds prospective. I put the monument in the left third, hill in the bottom, and left the sky as the rest. I certainly should have cropped out the top, but what makes the hill bad, and not a boarder? Also wouldn't the somewhat dead upper right be ok, so that the viewer's eye is brought more to the rest of the image.

Also, why in this age of 10MP+ sensors, why is cropping a last resort? Is it a question of shooting with sloppy technique, or loss of image quality?

I'm not at all attacking, I'm just excited to understand more. I took a few art classes in high school, but never photography. My understanding of composition (along with everything else) is in the process of being self taught. So the feedback I can get from you guys is a huge help. After just the three I posted here a few weeks back I felt like I learned a ton. Thanks.

Rooz
12-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Thanx Rooz, yea that makes a lot of sense. I probably should have mentioned that I took the photos on Shutter priority. But thinking about it now I should have used Manual focus isnt it?

you need to use manual mode, (not manual focus). the camera's meter will not expose the moon correctly n auto modes so you cant shoot in Sp or in Ap, has to be manual mode. the best way is to choose your settings, take the shot and then look at the LCD and adjust accordingly. a good starting point for moon exposure is:

f8, 1/125s, iso100.

if its too dark drop your shutter speed. if its too light increase it. if possible use a remote to trigger the shutter to minimise the chance of camera shake.


Question - This is on another topic. I've got an Alpha 200 and I took some photos indoor at low light the other day. (I had some trouble with this before so I brought it up a while ago on a thread, and you guys gave me some good instructions, thanx)
So all is well but I find that at ISO 400 and above, there's a lot of grain. Is this normal?

yes its normal for Sony. they haven't got a good handle on iso yet. my advice is get a flash. no matter how good your camera is at hi-iso, a flash will always make better indoor photos.

Peekayoh
12-11-2008, 01:23 PM
Thanks for the feedback. It brings up about 50 composition questions I have, but I'll try to keep it short.

I looked at this from a rule of thirds prospective. I put the monument in the left third, hill in the bottom, and left the sky as the rest. I certainly should have cropped out the top, but what makes the hill bad, and not a boarder? Also wouldn't the somewhat dead upper right be ok, so that the viewer's eye is brought more to the rest of the image.

Also, why in this age of 10MP+ sensors, why is cropping a last resort? Is it a question of shooting with sloppy technique, or loss of image quality?

I'm not at all attacking, I'm just excited to understand more. I took a few art classes in high school, but never photography. My understanding of composition (along with everything else) is in the process of being self taught. So the feedback I can get from you guys is a huge help. After just the three I posted here a few weeks back I felt like I learned a ton. Thanks.

OK, first off the rule of thirds is not "writ in stone". Yes it's a good rule, but rules are made to be broken if it doesn't work for that particular image.
The hill's not bad in itself; but ask yourself, "what does it contribute to the image". My personal opinion is "not a lot" and that's all it is, an opinion.
As for the "dead" upper right, well you called it! It doesn't lead the eye anywhere it just wanders about a bit.
With the dark hilly bit taken out the eye is drawn to the "heavy" column and up into the sky. If the pink clouds were at the top that would have been good.

Cropping is usually the least preferred option to good composition because it probably means that the key subject was too small in the frame. Of course, it's sometimes impossible to get the subject where you want it by changing your viewpoint or simply that the shape of the sensor image is wrong for the particular image, in which case cropping is where it's at. And yes, if the sensor is 10MP it's less of an issue than if it were 5MP, but if you aspire to compose in camera rather than rely on cropping your images will improve. Just because you gave it some thought before you released the shutter.

sparkie1263
12-11-2008, 04:33 PM
Here is a close up of the Front of the station.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Train%20Station%20HDR/StationFront.jpg

dr4gon
12-11-2008, 06:06 PM
OK, first off the rule of thirds is not "writ in stone". Yes it's a good rule, but rules are made to be broken if it doesn't work for that particular image.
The hill's not bad in itself; but ask yourself, "what does it contribute to the image". My personal opinion is "not a lot" and that's all it is, an opinion.
As for the "dead" upper right, well you called it! It doesn't lead the eye anywhere it just wanders about a bit.
With the dark hilly bit taken out the eye is drawn to the "heavy" column and up into the sky. If the pink clouds were at the top that would have been good.

Cropping is usually the least preferred option to good composition because it probably means that the key subject was too small in the frame. Of course, it's sometimes impossible to get the subject where you want it by changing your viewpoint or simply that the shape of the sensor image is wrong for the particular image, in which case cropping is where it's at. And yes, if the sensor is 10MP it's less of an issue than if it were 5MP, but if you aspire to compose in camera rather than rely on cropping your images will improve. Just because you gave it some thought before you released the shutter.

I saw the original on laydros's flickr and liked it just the way it was actually. I made a comment about how it was really cool to have the Wright memorial on a hill with the sky as the background. It was like a flying island in the sky and seemed fitting for the subject. But all the crops posted are nice ideas and I think they all look nice! ;)

dr4gon
12-11-2008, 11:02 PM
Good morning my fellow Sonians!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3098023017_7ae628a166.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3098023017/)

For the contest that never was I suppose! :D

Merry Christmas!

Peekayoh
12-12-2008, 05:01 AM
Hey dr4gon, if I take my specs off and squint at the screen, I'd swear that was a Christmas Tree. Good stuff!

I suppose that my treatment of the Wright Brothers Memorial picture could be described as "Minimalist". The cropped image says only two things to me, "Wright Brothers" and the "Sky" which was a big part of their life. As I said before, it's only my take on things and reflects my approach to this particular image. Other opinions are just as valid, there's no right or wrong here or should I say B&W.

Hopefully, those differing opinions will promote well intentioned discussion, an important facet of this thread which can help us all to improve our photography (the main aim).


Whew! Now where's the Eggnog.

sparkie1263
12-12-2008, 05:26 AM
I am looking at the image I just posted on my other computer and the colors are way off. I don't know what everybody else is seeing but I hope it isn't the colors I am seeing. I do most of my editing on my laptop. I was on my office computer and I cannot believe my eyes. I wonder if it is too late to change my Xmas list and get a screen adjuster. LOL
Frank

laydros
12-12-2008, 06:36 AM
Hey dr4gon, if I take my specs off and squint at the screen, I'd swear that was a Christmas Tree. Good stuff!

I suppose that my treatment of the Wright Brothers Memorial picture could be described as "Minimalist". The cropped image says only two things to me, "Wright Brothers" and the "Sky" which was a big part of their life. As I said before, it's only my take on things and reflects my approach to this particular image. Other opinions are just as valid, there's no right or wrong here or should I say B&W.

Hopefully, those differing opinions will promote well intentioned discussion, an important facet of this thread which can help us all to improve our photography (the main aim).


Whew! Now where's the Eggnog.

After decoding that message we find out that all along you really just wanted it in B&W! ;)

I see what you mean about the memorial, and sky. Thats a cool message I didn't think about.

I think I still have a lot of that snapshooter point of view where I take pictures to let the viewer see what something looks like, as opposed to the photographer point of view of showing the viewer what I want them to see.

I think thats pretty much the difference between someone who buys a camera to take pictures of birthday parties, and someone who uses a camera as a hobby/art/profession.

laydros
12-12-2008, 06:38 AM
Good morning my fellow Sonians!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3098023017_7ae628a166.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3098023017/)

For the contest that never was I suppose! :D

Merry Christmas!

The term "Sonians" is a bit scary.

Nice bokeh circles. I've been wearing glasses since I was 5, so I have a strong association with out of focus Christmas lights. Very cool pic.

I'm still quite bummed about the contest that never came.

Peekayoh
12-12-2008, 07:03 AM
After decoding that message we find out that all along you really just wanted it in B&W! ;)

I see what you mean about the memorial, and sky. Thats a cool message I didn't think about.

I think I still have a lot of that snapshooter point of view where I take pictures to let the viewer see what something looks like, as opposed to the photographer point of view of showing the viewer what I want them to see.

I think thats pretty much the difference between someone who buys a camera to take pictures of birthday parties, and someone who uses a camera as a hobby/art/profession.

I think you got the point, and then some. You'll soon be teaching us.

Peekayoh
12-12-2008, 07:10 AM
I am looking at the image I just posted on my other computer and the colors are way off. I don't know what everybody else is seeing but I hope it isn't the colors I am seeing. I do most of my editing on my laptop. I was on my office computer and I cannot believe my eyes. I wonder if it is too late to change my Xmas list and get a screen adjuster. LOL
Frank

Well, I thought it a was a bit bright but was waiting for someone else to comment. I assumed you liked it that way.

But it begs the question; "How many of us are not seeing what we see"

laydros
12-12-2008, 07:17 AM
Here is a close up of the Front of the station.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Train%20Station%20HDR/StationFront.jpg

It's weird, I hadn't figured out how/what to explain yet, but I noticed with the train station and the chair on top of the house that there was this strange glow. It's almost like the glow of creepy old pictures from the 1800's, but with color and clarity of modern photos.

Sounds like you did adjustments that created that, but it was unintentional? However, want to share how you got that look? ;) Might be fun to use from time to time.

dr4gon
12-12-2008, 09:57 AM
hmmmm Frank, what creative style are you shooting at (maybe too much vivid saturation or something?)? It could just be a white balance issue, I'm really not sure lol.

sparkie1263
12-12-2008, 11:41 AM
I mess with sooo many adjustments I couldn't even tell you where to begin.LOL I need to stop messing with my images so much.

Thanks
Frank

ShaunZ
12-12-2008, 08:16 PM
There are some great looking shots in this thread so far. Good on everyone for contributing :)

I was just messing with the camera and took some shots in my dad's garden. Here's one,

Properties
Lens - Sony DT 18-70mm f3.5-5.6 (yes, the damn kit lens.. :D)
70mm
f5.6
1/125
ISO 100
EV 0
White balance - auto
Metering mode - multi
AF - Centre
Steady shot - On
Tripod - No
Style - Vivid

It's been zoomed and cropped a bit

dr4gon
12-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Damn, the kit lens..... I like the soft touch you added.

The soft lighting and bokeh are wonderful.

Full moon at perigee

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/3104157884_467a42d8a7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3104157884/)


Taken with a Sony DSLR-A300.

* Exposure: 0.008 sec (1/125) [+]
* Aperture: f/11 [+]
* Focal Length: 200 mm [+]
* ISO Speed: 100 [+]

DonSchap
12-12-2008, 10:14 PM
A most excellent looking shot, Dr4gon! Congrats!

seanhoxx
12-12-2008, 10:57 PM
wow very nice Dr4gon, like the position and the longer black 'frame' nice image

seanhoxx
12-12-2008, 11:02 PM
working on my inside the gym no flash settings.
Our guy in the red and blue isn't fairing to well. I will post more in it's own thread with all the data this weekend.

sparkie1263
12-13-2008, 04:47 AM
I like all the shots that are being posted.
Frank

BobJohnson
12-13-2008, 07:22 AM
I took this one of the moon through a telescope in the Egyptian Desert:

There are some more pictures from my Egyptian trip on Photobucket too:

http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrobert425/Sharm%20el%20Sheikh%20Egypt/

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrobert425/Sharm%20el%20Sheikh%20Egypt/DSC00370.jpg

dr4gon
12-13-2008, 11:27 AM
Thanks guys. Just wanted to try a different frame for the classic moon shot. Beats the boring, dead center black surrounding moon picture. ;)

Bob, wow! That's cool. Did you hold your camera up to the eye piece? Isn't the lens too big to see anything? I guess you cropped a lot...?

I like this picture:

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrobert425/Sharm%20el%20Sheikh%20Egypt/DSC00280.jpg

would be killer with some fill flash! Were you out camping or was this something you just walked by?

Peekayoh
12-13-2008, 12:13 PM
Endorsing what's been said, there're some great shots appearing in this thread.

I particulary liked the moon shots. I know Bob used a telescope but how about you, Dr4gon. If that was the Tamron at 300 it must be a big crop and even more commendable. I've yet to get a moon shot that's a keeper.

I also agree about Bob's "Sharm el Sheikh" shot. It's only just short of being a great pic. Did you bracket Bob? If not I think it can still be rescued in PS.

dr4gon
12-13-2008, 01:10 PM
Endorsing what's been said, there're some great shots appearing in this thread.

I particulary liked the moon shots. I know Bob used a telescope but how about you, Dr4gon. If that was the Tamron at 300 it must be a big crop and even more commendable. I've yet to get a moon shot that's a keeper.

I also agree about Bob's "Sharm el Sheikh" shot. It's only just short of being a great pic. Did you bracket Bob? If not I think it can still be rescued in PS.

It can still be rescued for sure in PS.

I used the Tamron 70-200 at 200, let me go back and add the EXIF :eek:

BobJohnson
12-13-2008, 04:29 PM
Thanks again for the feeback guys, it's really appreciated.

With the moon shot I was on a 'stargazing' evening deep into the desert where the guides had several telescopes of varying power set up and focused onto different entities. We could see a dying red dwarf star called 'the rainbow star' due to the colours it gives off in its corona (think that's the term). Anyway it was beautiful and weird at the same time as the image we were seeing was something like 300 years old due to the distance between us. Also we could see Jupiter and four of its many moons; it was so clear that the huge hurricane 'red dot' was visible, but I couldn't for the life of me get a decent picture of it. The moon shot was a lot easier as the image within the telescope itself was a lot bigger. As you say I just held the camera up to the eyepiece and hoped for the best :s !! It looked excellent on the camera's small screen but not so good on a bigger screen I thought lol. I haven't cropped a picture in my entire life!! Firstly I don't have the software and secondly I wouldn't know how even if I did!!

The three men in the second picture are Bedouin tribesmen, nomadic indigenous people of the desert - although somewhat less nomadic and more technologically advanced these days than their forefathers!! The guy in the middle is tossing traditional unlevened bread which is cooked on the metal covering over the fire in the middle of the picture. I had the pleasure of being their guest for dinner that evening where we ate freshly slaughtered lamb, cooked on the bone in the ground surrounded my hot rocks, very herby salads, Egyptian rice and of course, freshly cooked bread!! Afterwards we smoked Shisha water pipes, drank Habbach tea (good for stomach the with a very strange taste; that's what's in the three pots by the fire) and then did some drumming together with furious clapping and dancing. I've got a picture of that somewhere that I'll try to find.

I have no idea what bracketing is so I guess the answer is no, I didn't bracket!! Thanks for the tip with the flash - it's really something I've struggled to get to use well to be honest. I just can't seem to get it to work the way I'd like it to. The pictures always look too dark or unnaturally bright with an unpleasant shine to them :(

If any of you guys could use PS to carry out the functions you've described then I would be very interested in seeing it.

Tonight I've been trying to take pictures of... incense smoke!! Very, very difficult indeed but I'm learning loads about the camera and what it can do. I think an external flash would be of great help however, although I'm improvising with a lamp to the side of the smoke source at the moment.

Thank you again for taking time to look at my pictures.

Peekayoh
12-13-2008, 05:55 PM
Bob, I'd be happy do some PP on it with PS. I think you're in the UK as well so that could be handy. I'll send you a private message.

seanhoxx
12-13-2008, 07:37 PM
soooo Bob drinking tea, eating tajeek, smoking shisha pipes in the Egyptian desert, tonight your trying to capture incense smoke pictures, so my friends do you happen to play the sitar also, and what band were you in or did you work for in the 70's LOL very very cool photos, and ideas, well done, looking forward to more posts Bob, now I'm off to find my charcoal tablets and incense resins. I wonder if you darkened the room and then 'uplit' from the floor if you could get some nice smoke shots by shooting across the light rising up through the smoke?

dr4gon
12-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Thanks again for the feeback guys, it's really appreciated.

With the moon shot I was on a 'stargazing' evening deep into the desert where the guides had several telescopes of varying power set up and focused onto different entities. We could see a dying red dwarf star called 'the rainbow star' due to the colours it gives off in its corona (think that's the term). Anyway it was beautiful and weird at the same time as the image we were seeing was something like 300 years old due to the distance between us. Also we could see Jupiter and four of its many moons; it was so clear that the huge hurricane 'red dot' was visible, but I couldn't for the life of me get a decent picture of it. The moon shot was a lot easier as the image within the telescope itself was a lot bigger. As you say I just held the camera up to the eyepiece and hoped for the best :s !! It looked excellent on the camera's small screen but not so good on a bigger screen I thought lol. I haven't cropped a picture in my entire life!! Firstly I don't have the software and secondly I wouldn't know how even if I did!!

The three men in the second picture are Bedouin tribesmen, nomadic indigenous people of the desert - although somewhat less nomadic and more technologically advanced these days than their forefathers!! The guy in the middle is tossing traditional unlevened bread which is cooked on the metal covering over the fire in the middle of the picture. I had the pleasure of being their guest for dinner that evening where we ate freshly slaughtered lamb, cooked on the bone in the ground surrounded my hot rocks, very herby salads, Egyptian rice and of course, freshly cooked bread!! Afterwards we smoked Shisha water pipes, drank Habbach tea (good for stomach the with a very strange taste; that's what's in the three pots by the fire) and then did some drumming together with furious clapping and dancing. I've got a picture of that somewhere that I'll try to find.

I have no idea what bracketing is so I guess the answer is no, I didn't bracket!! Thanks for the tip with the flash - it's really something I've struggled to get to use well to be honest. I just can't seem to get it to work the way I'd like it to. The pictures always look too dark or unnaturally bright with an unpleasant shine to them :(

If any of you guys could use PS to carry out the functions you've described then I would be very interested in seeing it.

Tonight I've been trying to take pictures of... incense smoke!! Very, very difficult indeed but I'm learning loads about the camera and what it can do. I think an external flash would be of great help however, although I'm improvising with a lamp to the side of the smoke source at the moment.

Thank you again for taking time to look at my pictures.

I saw some really impressive shots on flickr today with smoke. Ah here it is....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3118/3103252581_503eaec217.jpg

Check these out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sologenesis/sets/72157611123523131/

You definitely do need an external flash and you could probably use his EXIF as a guide:


Taken with a Nikon D300.

* Exposure: 0.01 sec (1/100) [+]
* Aperture: f/8 [+]
* Focal Length: 105 mm [+]
* ISO Speed: 200 [+]
* Exposure Bias: 0/6 EV [+]
* Flash: Flash fired [+]

I'd love to see your results!

BobJohnson
12-14-2008, 03:36 AM
lol I'd love to play the sitar but have you seen how long it takes to learn how to do it? Something like 18 years training?! I've done some DJing around festivals in the UK but instrument wise, I'm retarded :( I used to go to a Roman Catholic school and at the age of around 7 they were choosing who would be allowed to play musical instruments such as violins and piano. Because I'd missed mass that weekend the head nun told me I wouldn't be allowed to learn an instrument. I resent her to this day as a result. I don't hold grudges really, but she was wicked in so many other ways as well!! I was only born in 1979 so I wasn't working for anyone around that time lol.

I'll hold off any smoke pictures until I get that external flash I think. The results thus far haven't exactly been 'smoking' but thank you for the EXIF info from the pictures you found.

dr4gon
12-14-2008, 09:02 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/2764931052_75a1c69690.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/2764931052/)
Can't find the exif, but I remember it was with the Tamron 70-300mm probably at around 200-300mm and is one of my favorite shots with that lens.

It was way above my head at this gazebo sitting area in front of a pond at a local library.

Peekayoh
12-15-2008, 08:11 AM
Nice one dr4gon. Do you reckon your Bee would get eaten by one of these?

BLUE TITS

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/250th sec
Aperture: f/5.6 +1.3EV
Focal Length: 135 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 10 December 2008

dr4gon
12-15-2008, 09:02 AM
Nice birds! Not anything that colorful here besides the occasional cardinal or blue jay.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2764904950_cdbf79624d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/2764904950/)
Also with the Tamron 70-300mm 1:2 Macro, probably at ~200mm hand held on a windy day :eek:Turned out pretty nice though. The lens was able to resolve some nice detail!

Peekayoh
12-15-2008, 09:51 AM
Sunflower looks like it's scratching it's head.
We have a few colourful ones, Chaffinch, Bullfinch and Kingfisher to name three that I've been trying for. Getting them to stand still and say "cheese" is the problem.

This one decided to flit.

dr4gon
12-15-2008, 10:03 AM
Your nailed the one for POTD! Animals are like that unfortunately. :\ This second picture is pretty neat though. It looks like it fell off and is taking a nose dive for the ground.

sparkie1263
12-15-2008, 11:56 AM
Woodpecker along the edge of the woods

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/Woodpecker.jpg

Peekayoh
12-15-2008, 04:16 PM
Something ruffled his feathers alright.

What's that one Frank, it's a bit like our Female Lesser Spotted Woodpecker except for the coloured patch on her neck.

sparkie1263
12-15-2008, 06:39 PM
Downy Woodpecker I believe.

Thanks
Frank

Peekayoh
12-16-2008, 01:39 AM
Yeh! We don't have that one in the UK.

Peekayoh
12-16-2008, 04:16 PM
Here's another failure. A Blue Tit ghosting through the frame.

BLUE GHOSTIT

dr4gon
12-16-2008, 07:16 PM
Must keep... POTD alive!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2834574429_c072b9dccb.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/2834574429/in/set-72157607093918691/)


Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure: 0.002 sec (1/640)
Aperture: f/3.5
Focal Length: 90 mm (Tamron F/2.8)
ISO Speed: 400

Just practicing my macro shots.... it's hard! :eek:

Peekayoh
12-17-2008, 02:18 PM
Hard but rewarding!
Here's a Coal Tit on final approach, full flaps and gear down. Then at the refuelling port.

COAL TIT

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/500th sec
Aperture: f/5.6 +0.7EV
Focal Length: 135 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 10 December 2008

dr4gon
12-17-2008, 06:26 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2545981802_94f441c288.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/2545981802/in/set-72157605393479090/)

First picture with the Tamron 70-300mm. This lucky guy just happened to be wondering in the backyard :)

sparkie1263
12-17-2008, 07:22 PM
I think I have seen these birds before but don't remember what kind they are.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/DSC03675copy.jpg

I was told it was a flycatcher.

dr4gon
12-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Dunno, pretty nice shot though Frank!

Exif for it:


Camera Make: SONY
Camera Model: DSLR-A100
Image Date: 2008:12:17 11:16:32
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 300.0mm (35mm equivalent: 450mm)
Exposure Time: 0.0031 s (1/320)
Aperture: f/8.0
ISO equiv: 400
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Spot
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

sparkie1263
12-17-2008, 08:03 PM
Sorry I forgot to post the Exif.
Thanks
Frank

laydros
12-17-2008, 08:32 PM
I think I have seen these birds before but don't remember what kind they are.


I don't know what it is either, but I will "go out on a limb" to say what it isn't... hungry! Thats a nice chunker of a bird there.

Beautiful shot though Frank, I love the in focus bird, slightly out of focus branches behind it, and then totally out of focus background.

laydros
12-17-2008, 08:35 PM
I need to get more stuff up. So lets try this one. It's not really the style of photography most people seem to be into in this forum, but it's one of my favorite shots so far, and I'm not quite sure why.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3055002312_af90ea6bf3.jpg

Peekayoh
12-18-2008, 02:07 AM
Nice shot, Frank.
I looked it up and I think it's the "Least Flycatcher", smallest of the genre. It should have gone to Mexico or Central America by now.

dr4gon, I think he's after your nuts.

Peekayoh
12-18-2008, 02:33 AM
Jason, I'm not quite sure why either, but if you like it, you achieved your objective.
For my taste, if you're going to photograph mundane objects, you gotta get the basics right.
Anyway, keep them coming and you may convert me.

sparkie1263
12-18-2008, 04:32 AM
Peekayoh I was also told it was a Mocking Bird.

You Make the call here is a Mocking Bird

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/250px-Northern_Mockingbird_USA.jpg

Here is a Flycatcher

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/alder_flycatcher.jpg

Frank

sparkie1263
12-18-2008, 04:36 AM
Gave it a good look and the Eyes have it. It is a Mocking Bird it has yellow eyes.
Thanks Frank

Peekayoh
12-18-2008, 05:11 AM
Isn't a Mockingbird 8" or 9" long?

sparkie1263
12-18-2008, 05:23 AM
Here is a Mocking Bird I shot. It is much bigger.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/GreyBird-1.jpg

Peekayoh
12-18-2008, 05:43 AM
Specie variations together with individual variations can make identification difficult for experts, which I'm not.

DonSchap
12-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Okay, here's a bigger bird ...

42770

Camera: SONY α700
Lens: TAMRON SP AF 200-500mm f/5-6.3 Di LD
Focal Length: 360mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Shutter Speed: 1/2000 sec.
ISO: 400
Metering: Spot
Focus Mode: Spot
Circular Polarizer: Tiffen
Lighting: Sunlight
Camera Support: Handheld (no SSS)


A few days late, I guess :p

dr4gon
12-18-2008, 10:00 PM
Better sooner than never, welcome!

DonSchap
12-18-2008, 10:06 PM
Any old shot, huh?

dr4gon
12-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Well since I haven't been getting anything new. Been so busy lately... *sigh

After Christmas, I'm headed to Toronto, Canada so we'll see what I can get there! ;)

laydros
12-19-2008, 05:16 AM
Im keeping with recent trends, I'll do a bird too, but not Don's type.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/3054224039_2dbecb870b_b.jpg

Peekayoh
12-19-2008, 07:25 AM
Jason, this image really needs some post processing. I used the curves tool for this.

Peekayoh
12-19-2008, 03:48 PM
This little feller can't compete with Don's "Big Bird" but still..

GREAT TIT

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/320th sec
Aperture: f/5.6 +1EV
Focal Length: 135 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 10 December 2008

sparkie1263
12-19-2008, 07:00 PM
Boat rental dock on Long Beach Island

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/SamsDock.jpg

Peekayoh
12-20-2008, 03:14 AM
That's a really ramshackle shop shot; like it. But Frank, I hate to say this but you really need to give up the drink.

sparkie1263
12-20-2008, 04:28 AM
I need to start drinking. I could not level this. I tried and then gave up.LOL It is going to be my trademark.
Thanks Frank

Peekayoh
12-20-2008, 06:11 AM
Turn on the gridlines, pick a vertical (the balustrading, window jambs, drainpipe) and rotate to suit.
By the way, are you posting in sRGB or Adobe RGB?

millz
12-20-2008, 06:54 AM
http://http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/mill98/DSC03295.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr141/mill98/DSC03295.jpg


Im interested to see what you guys have to say about this image.

Peekayoh
12-20-2008, 07:22 AM
Little Lady - Georgeous.
Picture - Fuzzy.

millz
12-20-2008, 07:33 AM
Took this phot with my buddies a100 before i got my 350. Its weird but there something about the photo i love prolly cause its my girl so im bias. But i love the shadowing on the face seems very real. I guess that is what i wanted to no before i started coming on here i thought it was a wonderful photo but now i do see the fuzzy or slight blur to the photo can this be corrected. I hav e done nothing to it thus far. So is the shadowing accepted

dr4gon
12-20-2008, 07:57 AM
Sometimes softness intentional or not can work for the image. Babies are soft so a soft image like this works. There was even this long thread about using softness on Dyxum and many people posted examples for a contest/thremed thread (can't remember which). Millz, any exif? The bokeh is very nice!

millz
12-20-2008, 08:01 AM
Millz, any exif? The bokeh is very nice! ??????? Remember im an idiot i dont no what you mean more information please

Peekayoh
12-20-2008, 08:19 AM
Soft Ok, Fuzzy not OK. The eyes need to be sharp. But different folks, different strokes.
Still a nice picture, just not great.
Frank (sparkie) was fiddling with some software to correct focus.

DonSchap
12-20-2008, 09:16 AM
"Bokeh" is kind of a vague reference in this image. It is revealed by out-of-focus (OOF) or "fuzzy" background, usually, and its quality is usually determined by how direct OOF light sources or reflections are passed through the lens, with it in a wider aperture (usually seen in f/4 or wider), the aperture elements (blades) of the lens tend to interact with it in different ways. Call these "aesthetic qualities."

If there are no blades and it is a "reflex" or mirror lens, the "bokeh" of these OOF direct lights tend to look like hoops or donuts.

42819

Other lenses will have octagonal-looking spots.

42820

Some will have dark shadows in the center of each these OOF lights (considered not very good "bokeh" qualities) and, like above, other lenses will have complete, full circles of color or white, with no change in brilliance (usually considered excellent "bokeh" qualities).

Is it clear, yet?

I may be mistaken, but I think what was being referred to, above, was strictly the OOF-background, which is usually a requirement for most portraiture type shots. It tends to make the "subject" pop in the image and makes the "viewer's eye" basically ignore the background. This is correctly referred to as "Depth of Field" (DOF) and is controlled primarily with aperture, focal length and distance to subject (all three do affect it, but it is primarily controlled by the width of the lens aperture). Wider apertures result in "shallower" DOF ... which means the focal plane the subject is in (when the center of focus (COF) is on the subject), is narrower as you ramp open the aperture. Again, this plane also is different for different focal lengths , so when you zoom or change lens lengths (say from a 35mm to an 85mm lens length), the DOF will change accordingly.

This effect can be effectively calculated (http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html) (<- click on this link) and really should be understood for each of your "wider" aperture lenses, to use them properly.

Hope this helps ... there is a little bit to it all.

A simple yet effective test, is to sit in front of a decorated Christmas tree, then:

open up the aperture to full (f/4 or less, if you have it)
place the center of focus (COF) on the wall, behind the tree
half press and lock the focus.
holding the focus, turn the lens toward the tree and take the image.
tighten the aperture by one stop and repeat the steps.


Then review the images and you should see the Depth of Field DOF change ... and the bokeh with it. This should make for some cool backgrounds with other things. :cool:

Sorry, I guess this is not what POTD was set up for. Oops! :o

sparkie1263
12-20-2008, 06:23 PM
I can try to run it through Focus magic if you like. I think I am posting in RGB
Frank

I ran it through Focus Magic what do you think??

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/MillzBabyFocusMagic.jpg

Peekayoh
12-21-2008, 05:58 AM
I think it looks a bit sharper.
You need to post in sRGB otherwise the Internet Browser will render the colours differently.

millz
12-21-2008, 06:06 AM
Looks good i see what you are saying what is focus magic and where do you do it at. i finally discovered the whole curves thing you guys have been talking about man is that a crazy thing to get a handle on. i use a MACBOO PRO can i get some suggestions on must have programs that will help me do this.

sparkie1263
12-21-2008, 06:28 AM
Focus Magic i s a program to help correct OOF images and motion blur. It don't work on all images. Here is the link http://www.focusmagic.com/

Frank

Peekayoh
12-21-2008, 09:01 AM
Looks good i see what you are saying what is focus magic and where do you do it at. i finally discovered the whole curves thing you guys have been talking about man is that a crazy thing to get a handle on. i use a MACBOO PRO can i get some suggestions on must have programs that will help me do this.

Adobe Photoshop is top dog and Adobe Elements is a cut down version that will do most things you need. I'm not familiar with other progs but I'm sure there must be something cheaper out there that will fit the bill.

Peekayoh
12-21-2008, 10:25 AM
We've got three rivers close by, the Severn, the Usk and the Wye.
This was taken in the late evening sun and I underexposed to boost the colour.

RIVER USK a half mile North of Usk

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Konica Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/100th sec
Aperture: f/8 -1EV
Focal Length: 60 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 03 December 2008

laydros
12-21-2008, 11:26 AM
I love pictures of the countryside from the UK. There is a different feel, and a lot of it comes from the very different type of grass. Cool trick for the colors. Are you saying you underexposed the picture and then bumped up the exposure to boost the colors?

laydros
12-21-2008, 01:56 PM
Submitted more for fun than art.

There is a fairly famous hot dog shop in downtown Raleigh called the Roast Grill, popular with government officials and NC State students.

It's the type of place where you can get a hot dog, and Coke in a glass bottle, but don't even think about asking for ketchup.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3011592703_d08cc4d2ae_b.jpg

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: DT 18-70mm
Exposure: 1/25th sec
Aperture: f36
Focal Length: 35 mm
ISO Speed: 800 - I forgot to drop it back down after walking outside
Date: 01 November 2008

dr4gon
12-21-2008, 06:19 PM
I don't know that I can live without ketchup! :D Interesting sign ;)

sparkie1263
12-21-2008, 06:22 PM
Ran this through Dynamic HDR

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/SamsDockDYNPS.jpg

Peekayoh
12-22-2008, 02:54 AM
I love pictures of the countryside from the UK. There is a different feel, and a lot of it comes from the very different type of grass. Cool trick for the colors. Are you saying you underexposed the picture and then bumped up the exposure to boost the colors?

I underexposed by 0.7EV, bracketted and then picked the -1EV image.
If you underexpose a bit, the colours will be more saturated and retain some colour in the sky, just as overexposure will wash the colour out. Too much underexposure will reduce shadow detail but the two areas of deep shadow on the river bank are too small to be of consequence. I also used the curves tool (not exposure) for a bit more impact.
The image, however is really made (IMHO) by the rich warm feel engendered by the late afternoon Autumn Sun. It's a wonderful time of day to take pictures but you have an hour at best to get them.

Peekayoh
12-22-2008, 03:25 AM
Ran this through Dynamic HDR

And now you wish you hadn't!

sparkie1263
12-22-2008, 05:22 AM
I know I know leave well enough alone. LOL

Thanks Frank

Peekayoh
12-22-2008, 07:35 AM
I know I know leave well enough alone. LOL

Thanks Frank

Sorry Pal, just couldn't resist it.

DonSchap
12-22-2008, 04:18 PM
POTD ... from Today! Yay! (Cheering throngs surround the LCD screen to view)

42874
EXIF: SONY A700 w/ CZ 135mm f/1.8
@ f/1.8 - 1/60 sec - ISO-100 - Manual Mode - Spot Meter - Manual Focus - Pop-up flash -> deflected for ceiling bounce - 12/22/2008

laydros
12-22-2008, 04:30 PM
You should call him (or her) Scrooge. Somebody isn't in the holiday spirit!

What are you using to ceiling bounce the pop-up flash?

DonSchap
12-22-2008, 04:36 PM
I was kind of stuck and just reaching out for ANYTHING to deflect a direct hit from the pop-up, so I used one of the dog's plastic toys, a rolled-up doggy-newspaper w/ squeaker. I placed it in front of the pop-up flash, about two-inches, on top of the 135mm and angled it a little forward.

Hey, I'm nothing if not inventive. LOL :rolleyes:

Obviously, he was not amused.

Peekayoh
12-22-2008, 05:08 PM
He thought you were setting light to his toy. No wonder he looks glum.

dr4gon
12-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Wow that CZ f/1.8 really has some limited DOF!

Peekayoh
12-23-2008, 03:56 AM
I'm officially on Holiday and, Sod's Law, I've got the worst cold I've had in years and the Missus is even worse. Bummer!

Anyway here's another shot on the Usk River. Overexposed a bit too much maybe

RIVER USK one third of a mile from Usk

Camera: Sony DSLR-A700
Lens: Minolta 28-135mm f4/4.5
Exposure: 1/200th sec
Aperture: f/8 -1.3EV
Focal Length: 100 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 03 December 2008

sparkie1263
12-23-2008, 04:07 AM
Nice image. I think you can crop off some of the water in the foreground.
Frank

Peekayoh
12-23-2008, 04:33 AM
Maybe; I was leaving the reflection of the tree on the right, perhaps it's unnecessary.
Incidentally, did you notice the giant mole hills on the flood defences. Meant to point them out before.

laydros
12-23-2008, 09:00 AM
Just having some fun with bokeh. This is pretty much straight off the camera, just bumped exposure a hair and converted from RAW to jpeg. Looking at it at 100%, I was pretty impressed with how sharp the Sony 75-300mm was almost wide open

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/3130338993_1b3f5b12b2_b.jpg

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: Sony 75-300 f/4.5-5.6
Exposure: 1/100th sec
Aperture: f/6.3 -.3EV
Focal Length: 160 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date: 23 December 2008

As a side note, this is the first time I've gotten a photo into POTD the same day I shot it.

DonSchap
12-23-2008, 09:11 AM
Nice job, Jason. It is pretty cool once you understand and appreciate the basics of lensing. The shot selection takes a major leap forward.

DonSchap
12-23-2008, 09:18 AM
Maybe; I was leaving the reflection of the tree on the right, perhaps it's unnecessary.
Incidentally, did you notice the giant mole hills on the flood defences. Meant to point them out before.

The reflection really is not that dramatic looking, so lopping it off may be useful ... but, I would suggest keeping BOTH (the additional crop and the original). Just put them side-by-side and let your heart tell you what really has impact. Heck, you can simply roll the image down, on the screen, a little and see for yourself.

Also, when you shoot images like this, in the shadows, kick the DRO through its range levels ..+1 thru 5. See what the camera's internal adjustments can do with it, too. Might save you a little post-processing time and reveal a really powerful image, instantly.

You might selectively attack the mole hills, in the background, just to darken them just a tad, to keep them from looking like clouds. They are a little too low to immediately be "picked up", so you may have to help them just a little.

Nice image ... but, you can make it better. Toy with it a little. You can always go back. ;)

Peekayoh
12-23-2008, 10:51 AM
All true.
I haven't messed with DRO yet. Still learning the camera.

scotts630
12-23-2008, 11:32 AM
This was a pic I got at disneyland a couple weeks ago.
Camera: Sony DSLR-A100
Lens: Minolta50 f1.7-f22

seanhoxx
12-23-2008, 12:10 PM
Peekayoh, maybe crop the foreground up to where the water starts to ripple? might make a cool shot, what is to the right in the image it looks like the river may take a bit of a bend? that could make for a nice image maybe? Holiday colds, bummer, hot whiskey with honey and lemon, even if it don't work you don't care!
Damn Jason, I want Bokeh like that, nice work

Peekayoh
12-23-2008, 05:36 PM
That Tiggers got dental problems; like Don's.

The hot whiskey and stuff sounds like a winner.

To the right of the shot is a bunch of scrub and the bend is not in sight. Maybe a different perspective on another day.

and by popular request...

DonSchap
12-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Here's a f/2.8 infinity focus bokeh shot of the Christmas Tree. Kind of cool and makes you think and appreciate the art side of photography:

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r289/donschap/holiday%20images/Bokeh-Tree-small.jpg

dr4gon
12-24-2008, 08:43 PM
Sweet! Love the blues. :D

laydros
12-28-2008, 09:58 AM
Same shot as the last, but this time with my new for Christmas Beercan.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/3144812696_bdcf9028e6_b.jpg

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Lens: Minolta 70-210 f/4
Exposure: 1/100th sec
Aperture: f/4 -.3EV
Focal Length: 260 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Date: 28 December 2008

Kinda fun for comparison sake. Bokeh is certainly better, but I think this goes to show that the beercan is great, but not magical compared to newer lenses.

Peekayoh
12-28-2008, 03:57 PM
It looks an awful lot better to me, but then the lighting and colour is completely different.

laydros
12-28-2008, 04:48 PM
It looks an awful lot better to me, but then the lighting and colour is completely different.

Yeah, I think the brighter sunlight helped a lot.

I think I like the colors of the beercan better though. Thats one thing that is really selling me on older Minolta lenses. I like stronger colors in photos, and the older Minoltas seem to really saturate well.

Peekayoh
12-29-2008, 03:26 AM
That elusive "something" in which Minolta excelled.

Pity their business acumen was equally elusive.

miggylicious
12-29-2008, 04:14 AM
Good evening! I've recently acquired my A700 after using a Nikon P80 for 4 months. Im in love with my cam but still stuck with kit lens due to budget constraints. Here's a hand held night shot of my friend and his to be wife (they got married the next day and I was the best man) beside the pool. I love night shots, have to rely on high iso and flash and dislike pp. Only applied resizing in this pic. Im still amateurish so be nice :o

Camera Make: SONY
Camera Model: DSLR-A700 v04
Image Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 6:01:08 PM
Flash Used: Yes
Lens: Sony DT 18-70
Focal Length: 18mm
Exposure Time: 1/2 sec
Aperture: f/3.5
ISO equiv: 800
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Center Weight Average
Exposure: Manual

http://images.miggyt.multiply.com/image/14/photos/21/1200x1200/73/DSC03969.JPG?et=KwtgY%2C8UYGq8dHglG9IjYg&nmid=155542937

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Miggylicious <miggyt.multiply.com>
Sony A700
Sony 18-70 Kit Lens

sparkie1263
12-29-2008, 05:21 AM
Nice shot Miggy. I think a tighter crop to remove the table in the lower right corner would help this shot. And try to soften the bright light from the building. Welcome to the forum,
Frank

seanhoxx
12-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Not bad with the kit lens at all, pop up flash or flash unit? Like Frank says, tighter crop to lose some of the distraction, see more detail on the subjects, and get that damn floodlight out of there LOL and maybe the ladder into the pool if your good at cloning, which I am not. closer zoom, tighter crop, Nice colors out of the kit. oh and welcome!

sparkie1263
12-29-2008, 05:03 PM
Hope you don't mind here is a quick edit and crop. I didn't know how to deal with the light.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/MiggysImagePS.jpg

dr4gon
12-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Must save this thread, LOL!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3134336075_2258fe3612_b.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3134336075_130d308091_o.jpg)

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure: 4 sec (4)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 70 mm
ISO Speed: 3200

Tamron 70-200mm @ 70mm

Cold Christmas morning..... mounted on an icy cold tripod and fiddling with some settings. For anyone that does not know, this is in the constellation of Orion. In the center, bottom, rightish is the Orion Nebula, also known as M42. It's a diffused nebula so that's why it's gaseous and doesn't look like this when looking through a telescope (this is more apparent as opposed to using your eye). It's very difficult nailing the focus. On my flickr page is one at 200mm and it didn't come out as well. :\

dr4gon
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM
From my trip in Toronto, Canada.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/3158806250_d781d6f6c8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3158806250/)

St. James Cathedral

3 exposures merged with photomatix. 20mm (Tamron 17-50mm) @ 400 ISO, no tripod, just found a place in the back of the church to rest the camera on.

The story: It started pouring while we were wandering around downtown Toronto so we ducked into the nearest building. It happened to be this magnificent church so I couldn't help myself :). One exposure wasn't enough to do it justice.

DonSchap
01-01-2009, 09:13 PM
You might try and remove the parallax ... just to straighten out those columns a bit ... ;)

Sort of like this ...

43251

Architecture is like that ... gotta right the wrongs.

dr4gon
01-01-2009, 09:16 PM
You might try and remove the parallax ... just to straighten out those columns a bit ... ;)

hmmm, how do I do that? lol

DonSchap
01-01-2009, 09:21 PM
hmmm, how do I do that? lol

Under the "Edit" menu, I select "Transform" and then I use the "distort" function of Photoshop. I select the entire image, then bend time and space (stretching the corners), to correct God's handiwork, so it pleases my eye. LOL

Remember: I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.

dr4gon
01-01-2009, 09:23 PM
You mean the lens correction? That seems to only fix like pin cushin and vignetting and CAs.

Can you show a quick example perhaps? I've tried messing with it but can't find anything suitable.

edit: taking a look lol, you're fast.

So, which slider did you move?

DonSchap
01-01-2009, 09:27 PM
No slider ... reduce your magnification ... of the image, so there is a gray working border around it ... grab an upper corner box of the selection and then tug the image until it is straight with the vertical border. ;)

43252

Then, you do the other side ... and viola! She is straight, again!

dr4gon
01-01-2009, 09:43 PM
got it thanks lol. I'm not quite the master of time and space yet!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/Galzakian/hiro.jpg

DonSchap
01-01-2009, 10:07 PM
Glad I could be of help ... just like to see you produce the best work you can. It's a nice shot to work with. :D

DonSchap
01-01-2009, 10:12 PM
got it thanks lol. I'm not quite the master of time and space yet!

You just need your own sword, Dr4gon! :D

43253 (http://www.trueswords.com/hiro-nakamuras-heroes-sword-replica-back-strap-p-3132.html)
Click on image ... ;)

Peekayoh
01-02-2009, 05:57 AM
Though I'd share this from my Holidays.
It's the Cathedral in Pistoia, a regional Capital in Tuscany, Italy
From before I had the A700 (Fuji s7500)

dr4gon
01-02-2009, 08:05 AM
You just need your own sword, Dr4gon! :D

43253 (http://www.trueswords.com/hiro-nakamuras-heroes-sword-replica-back-strap-p-3132.html)
Click on image ... ;)

A (good) lens is mightier than the sword! hahaa :D I couldn't resist.... but lol I had no idea they made such things, that's pretty expensive. I guess it's like those replicas of the lightsabers.

Peter, great shots, I bet you wish you had your A700! :rolleyes:... don't we all.

DonSchap
01-02-2009, 08:35 AM
Good job correcting the view of your first shot, Peek. Gives it a "snappier" appearance and presentation, eh?

bigw00dy
01-02-2009, 09:30 AM
Hi, my name is Jeff and im a newbie to this site. I came across it while searching for lens' (something with a low f# for taking low light pictures..any ideas)

I have been lurking for a little bit and decided to join. B.T.W., i have an Alpha a100 with some big lens that came with it.

Moonflower from my 'garden' back in August 08
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/3160444502_dd2ed125f5_o.jpg

My 2.5 year old daughter Mackenzie.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2847601588_1b34b1aaf8_b.jpg

Thanks for looking!
Jeff

DonSchap
01-02-2009, 10:14 AM
Welcome Jeff and thanks for participating. This group definitely enjoys "new blood", as it were, to exchange ideas and assist in making all of us better photographers ... armed with SONY equipment.

The first thing, though, is identifying what you have to get a better idea of how to offer ideas and constructive critique, based on the limitations of equipment you are using. "Some big lens" is a little too vague to be of much value. Identifying the SONY A100 was definitely useful, though.

Please examine the lens you have mounted and try to identify it as best you can. If you look at the "sticky" thread (first posting in the listing) of this forum, you should get an idea of how these lens are identified.

Use this link (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42317) to get to a more "on topic" thread. Read down to post #15 ... to pick this up. Thanks

seanhoxx
01-02-2009, 10:51 AM
Speaking of swords and blades, dr4gon you need to get one that is YOU a symbol of you and your style so to speak LOL anyway don and I have talked edged weapons a bit before so he might find this interesting also. This is a link to a true bladesmith EVERYTHING he does is hand forged and hand made, amazing pieces, and you will PAY and I mean PAY for a custom piece. Don check out the pattern welded work he does. i have been reading Jim's stuff on and off for several years.
http://www.atar.com/old/index.php?&MMN_position=1:1

DonSchap
01-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Sean, I can easily sense how this could get quite costly. Sorry to hear about his accident. Another bladesmithing friend of mine also struggles with infirmity. What is about this art that takes 'em out? :rolleyes: Not too many of these craftsmen left.

I would love to remake my bowie design with the improperly termed "Damascus" pattern steel. In retrospect, that really was the final goal after the prototypes were created. Again ... prohibitive costs -> $$$

Peekayoh
01-02-2009, 11:34 AM
Good job correcting the view of your first shot, Peek. Gives it a "snappier" appearance and presentation, eh?

It's a long old job, but someone's gotta do it.
Some things you just got to leave alone.

DonSchap
01-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Show off! Wandering around Pisa, Italy, huh? We have one of those (smaller though), just down the street from me, in Niles, Illinois.
It's made out of concrete ... not quarried stone. Tell the Italians it's a lot cheaper.

43278

Now get this ... they built it to look like that! And that woeful reflecting pool ... a waste of time.
The "Bell Tower" would have to be ONLY thirty feet tall to make use of it. LOL

seanhoxx
01-02-2009, 12:29 PM
How much do you suppose they spent to 'engineer' the lean into it so it would be safe and sound? Don I have also wondered about all the things that seem to befall the hand craft masters and smiths, I can see nerve damage etc. from the firm gripping and twisting on the hands and wrists, shock impact from 'hammering' Some of those guys that do 'old school' bluing with charcoal, or open mix things into hot metal such as nickel, Fe oxide, etc, can't be good to breathe it in. A general rule of thumb take the price of the knife/sword add $100.00 to it then add $100.00 a inch for pattern weld aka 'damascus' 21 inch short sword already adds up pretty quick. What Jim does is a art, unfortunatley it seems to be a dying art.

DonSchap
01-02-2009, 12:37 PM
Sean ... "is he dying for his art", it could be asked. :confused: Renaissance artists died half-crazed, poisoned by the toxic
metals they used to put color in their oils. Even photography has its level of toxicity ... thankfully, "digital"
has removed that aspect, for the most part. I'm cool with that! :D

Computer machining, although initially expensive, can easily produce far more product than hand-built ... and
probably far more safely. In the long term, which way do we go? You may lose some of the more "personal"
aspects of the art ... but then, "longevity" may be the true benefit. If it kills ya ... is it worth it? I wonder ...
what a mindset for a hobby. I'd hate to think that the last thing I do is produce a picture that killed me.

Martyrdom is not all it is cracked up to be.

seanhoxx
01-02-2009, 01:23 PM
Who was the famous photographer who shot gritty industrial photos in black and white, maybe in Pittsburgh, noted for his use of chemicals in developing to really bring up the 'silver', can't think of his name. drank heavy, stayed up working on average 18-20 hrs a day. used to drink some of the chemicals in developing!! Now thats dying for your art, or your art killing you. Anyone know who I am talking about!?

dr4gon
01-02-2009, 06:22 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/3161112745_2097b00c27.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3161112745/)

Today was so warm 74F so we spent the day mountain biking and fishing ;)

seanhoxx
01-02-2009, 08:51 PM
Just a little dangerous ale from Cleveland Ohio, goes great with a steak er stake!

Peekayoh
01-03-2009, 05:25 AM
Show off! Wandering around Pisa, Italy, huh? We have one of those (smaller though), just down the street from me, in Niles, Illinois.
It's made out of concrete ... not quarried stone. Tell the Italians it's a lot cheaper................



Show off! Me! Nooo.
Hey, one advantage of UK living is the easy access to sites like this. There has to be some compensation for the weather; right!
Maybe I'll post some more and feel gooood!

dr4gon
01-03-2009, 06:34 PM
Reached 80F today :D LOL, global warming for sure!


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1014/3165358362_955a11dae7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3165358362/)

Anyways, today I discovered that my kit lens that came with the camera actually does come with a lens hood! Incredible. lol .... none my friend's canon lenses have hoods and he was quite disappointed.

DonSchap
01-03-2009, 07:12 PM
I have some unfortunate news for you .. it'll be half of that, tomorrow, in Dallas! LOL Man, the winds! You don't get a temperature inversion like that without ... PAYBACK!

BTW: Where have you been keeping the "kit lens" that you would not notice something like that?

seanhoxx
01-03-2009, 07:28 PM
Not a great picture but intersting, I was shooting with the DCRP indoor bad light high ISO no flash setting. And seemed to sync up pretty well with the guy standing right beside me with the flash unit on his canon.

miggylicious
01-04-2009, 05:11 AM
is it ok to post an edited image here?

dr4gon
01-04-2009, 05:21 AM
I have some unfortunate news for you .. it'll be half of that, tomorrow, in Dallas! LOL Man, the winds! You don't get a temperature inversion like that without ... PAYBACK!

BTW: Where have you been keeping the "kit lens" that you would not notice something like that?

lol I got a 55mm uv filter from my cousin and put it on and notice that the front end came off :eek:


is it ok to post an edited image here?

What do you mean?

miggylicious
01-04-2009, 05:41 AM
id like to post an image of my cousin (compiled from a collection of shots) that went thru photoshop... something like this... feel free to move or remove this if it doesnt belong in this section :)

Details:
Sony A700 with 18-70mm kit lens
1/60 18mm f3.5, iso200
flash, manual exposure, on tripod

http://images.miggyt.multiply.com/image/3/photos/1/1200x1200/37/Multiplicity-2.jpg?et=K7eNi1A5HzAzxXyMkEMACQ&nmid=120233646

dr4gon
01-04-2009, 05:54 AM
id like to post an image of my cousin (compiled from a collection of shots) that went thru photoshop... something like this... feel free to move or remove this if it doesnt belong in this section :)

Details:
Sony A700 with 18-70mm kit lens
1/60 18mm f3.5, iso200
flash, manual exposure, on tripod

http://images.miggyt.multiply.com/image/3/photos/1/1200x1200/37/Multiplicity-2.jpg?et=K7eNi1A5HzAzxXyMkEMACQ&nmid=120233646

oh sure, that's definitely fine. If it's a Sony and it's yours, post it! One a day and an explanation (exif would be nice too). You're all set!

Cool compilation and thanks for sharing!

seanhoxx
01-04-2009, 11:44 AM
very cool Miggy

dr4gon
01-04-2009, 12:13 PM
Not a great picture but intersting, I was shooting with the DCRP indoor bad light high ISO no flash setting. And seemed to sync up pretty well with the guy standing right beside me with the flash unit on his canon.

They are really frozen in the action. You definitely need a flash that you can sync to yourself! :p

sparkie1263
01-04-2009, 04:36 PM
Selective color on seagull in flight.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/Seagulinflight1BW.jpg

dr4gon
01-04-2009, 09:02 PM
Wow that tamron 70-300 did well in this shot for a BIF!

AF-C mode?

sparkie1263
01-05-2009, 04:28 AM
I find it hit or miss. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I get great shots like this and then I get shots that are of birds not moving and I cannot get a sharp image. I has to be me.

Thanks
Frank

Peekayoh
01-05-2009, 05:41 AM
So, which focus mode were you using a) on the BIF and b) on stationary Birds.
Continuous /Single, Spot /Wide area?

sparkie1263
01-05-2009, 08:02 AM
I use spot focus mode on most of my images.
Frank

dr4gon
01-05-2009, 08:52 AM
I use spot focus mode on most of my images.
Frank

Spot focus is a given or maybe even wide, but the AF-mode did you use AF-Continuous? if you use AF-S it will be pretty difficult.

sparkie1263
01-05-2009, 08:55 AM
AF-Continuous focus.
Frank

sparkie1263
01-05-2009, 09:40 AM
Was looking through my images and found this Marina I never edited. I did post a different shot of this without the storm clouds.
Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/MarinaStormClouds.jpg

Peekayoh
01-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Continuous spot focus for the BIF is certainly a given.
In the out of focus stationary bird situation I'm guessing that the centre focus sensor is unable to lock on and so one of the four sensors around the central sensor is kicking in and focusing on something other than the bird, like a branch or something. I don't know whether the A100 centre sensor does better with verticals or horizontals but I'll bet someone here does. In any case you may have to use single focus mode, focus on a part of the bird with the right contrast, lock and recompose before releasing the shutter.
The A100 has been criticised for it's weak AF performance and the better performance of the A700 in this area is a one good reason to upgrade. Apart from it's stronger AF motor, the A700 has a Center Double Cross AF sensor. The center focus point has two horizontal and two vertical sensors plus a new high precision (horizontal) sensor in the middle.

dr4gon
01-06-2009, 04:30 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1039/3174378937_831559cb03_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3174378937/)

Stormy weather to the east, Nice sunny weather to the west. The battle was fought, and the west won! ;) Sunny and warm for the next few days!

GotToyota?
01-06-2009, 11:10 PM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp286/MattVinson/Photography/DSC00307.jpg

Taken today during my trip to Dallas. More will come after the next picture of the day.

laydros
01-07-2009, 12:00 PM
Nothing phenomenal, but I have wanted to get a shot like this for a while, with the back of the dogs head in focus, and everything else not. Dog's eye view. Straight off the camera, just converted from RAW to jpeg. Maybe I should start doing more PP, but I'd rather be shooting.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3342/3177859022_c52c393163.jpg

sparkie1263
01-07-2009, 12:11 PM
Nice sharp image Jason.

Frank

laydros
01-07-2009, 12:35 PM
Nice sharp image Jason.

Frank

Thanks. I feel like I am learning a lot, and between the 28-85 and the beercan, I've finally got some good glass to work with. I still don't have the wide angle or low light I want, but this has been a much better setup.

sparkie1263
01-07-2009, 01:13 PM
The Good Life

I was driving and seen this lady walking in the rain and then the sign caught my eye.

Frank


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/Sony%20A100/TheGoodLife.jpg

GotToyota?
01-07-2009, 01:22 PM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp286/MattVinson/Photography/DSC00375.jpg

Another Dallas photo.

seanhoxx
01-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Jason what kind of dog? looks alot my little girl, german short haired pointer? Mine is GSP and chocolate lab, maybe get a pic of her up later

laydros
01-07-2009, 06:33 PM
Jason what kind of dog? looks alot my little girl, german short haired pointer? Mine is GSP and chocolate lab, maybe get a pic of her up later

Yeah! Very cool, I don't run into many people that have them. I have a 6 year old named Missy and a 3 year old named Milo. Great dogs, very smart, and very affectionate. I've got several pictures of them on my flickr stream. Look forward to seeing some of yours.

dr4gon
01-07-2009, 10:18 PM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp286/MattVinson/Photography/DSC00375.jpg

Another Dallas photo.

Keep sharing, you make Dallas look so interesting!


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3177857042_275c0ab14a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr4gon/3177857042/)

Little clay sculpture I picked up in cabo a few years back. Just looking for some bokeh and color :D

Camera: Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure: 0.1 sec (1/10)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 50 mm
ISO Speed: 200

(oh, lol hand held (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=351176&postcount=27), leaning on table)

GotToyota?
01-07-2009, 10:51 PM
Thanks Dragon, I'll post another one soon. I saw that you're in Texas also, what area?

dr4gon
01-08-2009, 08:15 AM
Dallas lol

GotToyota?
01-08-2009, 08:40 AM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp286/MattVinson/Photography/DSC00450.jpg

Part of Dallas at night. If you want to see more check out my Flickr.

sparkie1263
01-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Went and took a few more images to try and make an HDR of Sam's Dock. Here is my attempt.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/SamsDockHDRPS.jpg

laydros
01-08-2009, 03:04 PM
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp286/MattVinson/Photography/DSC00450.jpg

Part of Dallas at night. If you want to see more check out my Flickr.

I'm really enjoying your shots. Some really amazing stuff considering your working with a kit lens. I'm guessing you have more photography experience besides that one class you mentioned.

Keep 'em coming!

DonSchap
01-08-2009, 03:19 PM
Went and took a few more images to try and make an HDR of Sam's Dock. Here is my attempt.

Frank

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/sparkie1263/28-200%20Lens/SamsDockHDRPS.jpg

Frank, you might want to crop out that shadow, in the foreground. Heck, you can't even see what is creating it. :)

sparkie1263
01-08-2009, 03:26 PM
I was trying to keep the 8x10 format. How can I crop it to keep that format? This is the problem I was having with all my other crops. I tried to leave room to crop down but I couldn't get it.

Thanks
Frank