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cvicisso
11-25-2008, 07:18 PM
I've been off the grid for a while, so please forgive me! :D

I'm about ready to say F-it and go full frame. You all know what a nut-case zealot I am for video on DSLRs, so that figures large in my calculations. The two contenders (only one of them real) are the 5D Mk II and the D700 replacement.

Things in favor of the 5D-II (for ME):

HD video
LENSES!!!! With the ISO advantage of the D700, why can't Nikon give us some stabilized F4 zooms??!!
It may be a gimmick, but I'm really interested in that 'silent' mode (think children's plays and Operas, etc...)
Resolution (I don't need it - but it can be an advantage sometimes)
Price (compared to D700 (and replacement))



Things I hate about the 5D-II:

NO POP-UP FLASH! I need fill flash!
1/200 x-synch?! C'mon!!
It's a Canon :p


I'm hoping for a full-frame Nikon that shoots HD video (and autofocuses) before the end of April 2009. I would also like to see some stabilized Nikon f/4 zooms like the Canon 24-105 f/4L IS USM and 70-200L f/4L IS USM. We're already paying for the extra stops in the very-usable upper ISO bands of the camera - why not save some money and weight by dropping a stop in the lens? I think Canon has the right idea here (and has had it for some time).

Anyway, I don't see this happening before the end of April - what's the gossip?

Visual Reality
11-25-2008, 07:34 PM
I'd guess the D400 / D800 / D4 or whatever they name the current generation's replacements, will all have 1080p video recording with autofocus. Keep in mind though that this is just video, if you are looking to really make a quality production you need audio equipment as well and that is where an SLR camera really falls short. HD video and crummy audio do not mix (for me, some are less picky). I'd at least like to be able to attach an external mic, with a quality wind filter. Ideally though you would just set this up seperately and then mix the two together on the computer.

Ditto on the f/4 zooms. I'd be all over a 70-200 f/4, as I have said previously. Come on Nikon!

Rooz
11-25-2008, 08:08 PM
the main rumours are:
new MX format
d3x (24mp)
sb700 to replace sb600

none of which particualrly interest me.

cvicisso
11-25-2008, 08:45 PM
the main rumours are:
new MX format
d3x (24mp)
sb700 to replace sb600

none of which particualrly interest me.

Crap. Me either. Thanks, Rooz!

Oh, I also forgot to mention two other minuses for the 5D-II: not even in the same league with the D700's continuous frame rate (even without the grip!) or the D700's 52-point, 3D tracking, musta-been-built-by-friggin-aliens autofocus!

Rooz, you're like the sage on this site. What's your guess as to when Nikon will give us a full-frame dslr w/HD video? Or even something D300-ish w/HD? And how about some stabilized f/4 lenses like the two I mentioned from Canon?

Thanks again, Rooz.

jcon
11-25-2008, 08:46 PM
Any word on the 70-200 VR replacement? Ive been waiting, as I will be looking to buy one soon.

cvicisso
11-25-2008, 08:54 PM
I'd guess the D400 / D800 / D4 or whatever they name the current generation's replacements, will all have 1080p video recording with autofocus. Keep in mind though that this is just video, if you are looking to really make a quality production you need audio equipment as well and that is where an SLR camera really falls short. HD video and crummy audio do not mix (for me, some are less picky). I'd at least like to be able to attach an external mic, with a quality wind filter. Ideally though you would just set this up seperately and then mix the two together on the computer.

Ditto on the f/4 zooms. I'd be all over a 70-200 f/4, as I have said previously. Come on Nikon!
Thanks VR. I thought I read somewhere that the 5D-II will take a stereo external mic input? Anyway, I'm not really thinking of making an HBO documentary or anything - just maybe fooling around and throwing a Christmas DVD together every year and mailing one to all the relatives in lieu of a 'real' gift. I'm cheap! :o The razor-thin DOF made possible by DSLR HD vid should make me look much more artistic than I actually am! :cool:

Rooz
11-25-2008, 10:15 PM
What's your guess as to when Nikon will give us a full-frame dslr w/HD video? Or even something D300-ish w/HD? And how about some stabilized f/4 lenses like the two I mentioned from Canon?

Thanks again, Rooz.

sage? HA !!! http://nikonrumors.com/

i doubt the d3x will have it but the next incarnations of the d300 and d700 will have HD video. my guess would be that every dslr from every manufacturer will have HD video capability from now on.

while i think that LV and video are awesome. i think its kind of depressing in a way cos all of the manufacturers efforts will be on refining and improving these very tangible consumer, marketing influenced factors and less input will be made into dynamic range improvements which may not be as marketable but are infinately more important.

if i had it my way i would hope that nikon dont release a single dslr for the next 12-18 months and focus on a few lens' like an 85/1.4 af-s and a 35/2 afs. the rumour about the 70-200 has been around for a long time and i'm not sure if its gonna happen. i have to say that using the 70-200 with a d700 last week i saw no "real life" flaws with the lens at all. it performed and operated superbly.

K1W1
11-25-2008, 10:44 PM
if i had it my way i would hope that nikon dont release a single dslr for the next 12-18 months


With the imminent Coup in Thailand you may well get your wish if only for the fact that the Coup coupled with the world wide economy may well lead Nikon to mothballing or severely curtailing output from the camera manufacturing plants in Thailand.

Coup in Thaland = limited production = smaller inventories = higher consumer prices in a time when only those with money will be buying anyway = more profit for Nikon overall without having to slash and burn to move stock.

Rooz
11-25-2008, 11:38 PM
i read in the Fin Review the other day that nikon laid off 700 people and canon laid off 2000. sad.

JTL
11-25-2008, 11:56 PM
There is a rumor that I will getting a Nikon 50mm f/1.4G AF-S rather soon...that's the only rumor I give a damn about at the moment! :D:D:D

K1W1
11-26-2008, 12:18 AM
There is a rumor that I will getting a Nikon 50mm f/1.4G AF-S rather soon...that's the only rumor I give a damn about at the moment! :D:D:D

The rumour doesn't include a rather jolly gentleman in a red suit does it? If so I would have thought that you were a bit old for rumours like that. :D:D

Rooz
11-26-2008, 12:30 AM
There is a rumor that I will getting a Nikon 50mm f/1.4G AF-S rather soon...that's the only rumor I give a damn about at the moment! :D:D:D

a used a d700 for a few shoots last week. i hate you. now that you tell me about the 50/1.4 i hate you even more. when is it due ?

JTL
11-26-2008, 12:31 AM
The rumour doesn't include a rather jolly gentleman in a red suit does it? If so I would have thought that you were a bit old for rumours like that. :D:DUnfortunately, no. The rumor includes a bunch of a-holes at Nikon who can't seem to get the product out the door! So, until I have it in my clutching little hands...as far as I'm concerned, the lens is a rumor! :D:D:D

JTL
11-26-2008, 12:42 AM
a used a d700 for a few shoots last week. i hate you. now that you tell me about the 50/1.4 i hate you even more. when is it due ?I finally got pissed-off enough to call today...no date.

Rooz...if ever there was someone who should be shooting with the D300/D700 combo, it's you. The setup was made for you. Don't be a hater. Instead, help stimulate the world economy and save some more jobs over at Nikon and just get a D700. Think of how good it will make you feel. You will learn to love...not hate. I actually just sit around holding it sometimes. I know that sounds weird and pervy, but I confess...I'm in love with a camera. You too can know that love. :D:D:D

K1W1
11-26-2008, 12:48 AM
Instead, help stimulate the world economy and save some more jobs over at Nikon and just get a D700.

If you buy one you could be the person who tips the entire Australian economy into deficit due to a balance of payments crisis. You could personally be responsible for thousands or maybe tens of thousands of your fellow country men being thrown onto the scrap heap of life. Your neighbours may become penniless beggars eking out an existence between the Salvation Army and the trash bins out back of the Scottish Restaurant, :D

If he is going to sit on one of your shoulders with a red suit and carrying a pitch fork whispering dangerous thoughts into your ear I will take it upon myself to sit on your other shoulder wearing white and whispering reason. I will NOT however be wearing wings I only go so far.

JTL
11-26-2008, 12:56 AM
Maybe someone here know this...

Was the "update" to the 70-200 f/2.8 VR a rumor or an actual announcement? I don't remember seeing an announcement, but heard a lot of talk about an update. Anyone? Thanks!

JTL
11-26-2008, 01:01 AM
Your neighbours may become penniless beggars eking out an existence between the Salvation Army and the trash bins out back of the Scottish Restaurant, :D.Good! More photo opportunities! :D:D:D

And, anyone who goes to a Scottish restaurant (the thought is mind-numbingly hilarious), starving or not, deserves their fate! :D
I will NOT however be wearing wings I only go so far.And damn good you won't. Remember the words. Speak them now..."Resolution isn't everything...resolution isn't everything..."

Rooz
11-26-2008, 01:13 AM
Maybe someone here know this...

Was the "update" to the 70-200 f/2.8 VR a rumor or an actual announcement?

rumour only.
cant wait till i get that 50/1.4, i have no date either but they told me last week to forget about xmas.

K1W1
11-26-2008, 02:37 AM
rumour only.
but they told me last week to forget about xmas.

Good boy. Keep the economy afloat for another month or two at least. Kevin 747 needs you!

Rooz
11-26-2008, 02:45 AM
i think he just arrived back...to tell us we're going into deficit.

eddie_dane
11-26-2008, 04:31 AM
I was hesitant to buy the 70-200 with my new D700 because of the rumors. Now that I have it and using it, I don't regret a thing.

e_dawg
11-26-2008, 06:03 AM
I've been off the grid for a while, so please forgive me! :D

I'm about ready to say F-it and go full frame. You all know what a nut-case zealot I am for video on DSLRs, so that figures large in my calculations. The two contenders (only one of them real) are the 5D Mk II and the D700 replacement.

What happened to your need for a water-resistant system? It was the big deal for you for the past year and a half. And the F100 is really a stop gap measure.

Turo
11-26-2008, 08:28 AM
the rumour about the 70-200 has been around for a long time and i'm not sure if its gonna happen. i have to say that using the 70-200 with a d700 last week i saw no "real life" flaws with the lens at all. it performed and operated superbly.

I have a feeling this rumor was never really true (at least not any time soon). It all started when people began to find out that the 70-200 had a slight vignetting on FX. But from what I've read, Nikon released vignetting controls on the last FX firmware update which allows the use of this lens nicely. Since that happened, all the rumors have begun to die off.

Now this is all based on what I've read only, I have NO clue how accurate this is.

cvicisso
11-26-2008, 10:01 AM
What happened to your need for a water-resistant system? It was the big deal for you for the past year and a half. And the F100 is really a stop gap measure.I thought the 5D-II and D700 are water-resistant?!

cvicisso
11-26-2008, 12:13 PM
What happened to your need for a water-resistant system? It was the big deal for you for the past year and a half. And the F100 is really a stop gap measure.From dpreview:

5D-II
Water resistance: 10 mm rain in 3 minutes

D700
"Nikon don't claim the camera to be waterproof but it's certainly more 'weather proof' than the average digital SLR."

Of course, neither statement can approach the balls that Oly puts out there when promoting their E3! :eek: But then again, there can never be a 'full frame' 4/3 camera - by definition. So I'm not even considering the E3.

K1W1
11-26-2008, 12:37 PM
If manufacturers don't specify an IPX rating for waterproof ability then there is no water proof ability other than in the marketing departments mind.

rawpaw18
11-26-2008, 01:33 PM
D3x pictures if you like, not really a rumor anymore. nikon took down the images but you can see them here http://nikonrumors.com/

Rooz
11-26-2008, 02:13 PM
looks like a new lens, 85/1.4 af-s ??? the front element looks huge. i hope its not a 1.2

Visual Reality
11-26-2008, 03:05 PM
looks like a new lens, 85/1.4 af-s ??? the front element looks huge. i hope its not a 1.2

“D3x is what’s expected, but also to be announced:

80-400 AF-S version

35mm 1.8 AF-S

135mm 1.8 AF-S”

Rooz
11-26-2008, 03:14 PM
yeah, i saw that. i wonder if thats more of a "wish list" than an authentic rumour.

Dread Pirate Roberts
11-26-2008, 03:51 PM
Hmm did someone say a rumour about a 35 1.8 AFS ?
I might take back what I said to my wife 2 mins ago that I have enough lens' for quite a while:D

e_dawg
11-27-2008, 11:13 PM
From dpreview:

5D-II
Water resistance: 10 mm rain in 3 minutes

D700
"Nikon don't claim the camera to be waterproof but it's certainly more 'weather proof' than the average digital SLR."

Of course, neither statement can approach the balls that Oly puts out there when promoting their E3! :eek: But then again, there can never be a 'full frame' 4/3 camera - by definition. So I'm not even considering the E3.

To categorically rule out the E-3 when weather-resistance has been identified as a primary need is unwise, IMO. It is the gold standard when it comes to weather-resistant systems. Are you going to get weather-sealed lenses with your 5DII or D700? Most lenses are not weather sealed.

BTW, lest you think Oly and 4/3 cameras are incapable of taking good pics, check out a couple galleries of pics taken with the E-520 (first one, mine) and the E-3 (second link, eaa on dpr):

http://scpublicgallery.smugmug.com/gallery/6305472_snS9z/1/398249211_Ehzn2

http://www.pbase.com/eaaseth/beerenberg&page=3

Hey, I like FF as much as the next guy (I have a Sony A900 and am preparing to buy a D700 in the coming months after having tested it extensively with the 24-70, 85/1.4, AF-S 60 macro, 35/2, and 70-200/VR), but I still think my Olympuses deliver as good or better IQ for outdoor shots from straight OoC JPEGs compared to my Nikons and Sony equipment. If you can't get phenomenal pics out of the E-3, you're not doing something right. (unless you happen to shoot at 3200-6400 ISO all day)

K1W1
11-27-2008, 11:28 PM
BTW, lest you think Oly and 4/3 cameras are incapable of taking good pics, check out a couple galleries of pics taken with the E-520 (first one, mine) and the E-3 (second link, eaa on dpr):

But IMO the whole 4/3 concept is flawed and has no long term future.
He is my prediction (MINE not from the Internet or with any inside knowledge).

In 2 years Olympus will not exist in their own right they will have been purchased by Panasonic.

After Panasonic purchase Olympus they will can 4/3 DSLRs and all future 4/3 cameras will be micro 4/3 format (G1 and successors).

Panasonic will skip APS-C sensors and go straight to FF.

Rooz
11-27-2008, 11:37 PM
i completely agree. its only a matter of time.

K1W1
11-27-2008, 11:46 PM
i completely agree. its only a matter of time.

Don't do that. It spoils all the fun. :(

Rooz
11-28-2008, 01:44 AM
meh....good for variety. :D

teko
11-28-2008, 11:20 AM
The D3x is now featured in Nikon Pro magazine:

http://sebrogers.typepad.com/seb_rogers_blog/2008/11/official-nikon-d3x-specs-its-here-folks.html



same body design, AF, metering and main functions as D3
24.5mp FX sensor
5:4 and DX crops
5fps at full resolution; DX crop shoots 10mp images at up to 7fps
ISO 100-1600, extendable down to 50 and up to 6400
16 bit EXPEED processor

cvicisso
12-01-2008, 06:59 AM
To categorically rule out the E-3 when weather-resistance has been identified as a primary need is unwise, IMO. It is the gold standard when it comes to weather-resistant systems. Are you going to get weather-sealed lenses with your 5DII or D700? Most lenses are not weather sealed.

BTW, lest you think Oly and 4/3 cameras are incapable of taking good pics, check out a couple galleries of pics taken with the E-520 (first one, mine) and the E-3 (second link, eaa on dpr):

http://scpublicgallery.smugmug.com/gallery/6305472_snS9z/1/398249211_Ehzn2

http://www.pbase.com/eaaseth/beerenberg&page=3

Hey, I like FF as much as the next guy (I have a Sony A900 and am preparing to buy a D700 in the coming months after having tested it extensively with the 24-70, 85/1.4, AF-S 60 macro, 35/2, and 70-200/VR), but I still think my Olympuses deliver as good or better IQ for outdoor shots from straight OoC JPEGs compared to my Nikons and Sony equipment. If you can't get phenomenal pics out of the E-3, you're not doing something right. (unless you happen to shoot at 3200-6400 ISO all day)Nice pics, edawg! Hey man - there's no denying the weather-resistance of the E-3. I'm with you on that one (and have been from day 1, as you'll recall). Unfortunately, unlike you (as much as as I wish I could), I can't afford the small arsenal of photo gear you have amassed! :eek: I have serious gear envy!! ;)

Nope, I know my limitations: I've got to pick a system, build it up, and stick with it for the long haul and change out bodies as necessary. And speaking of changing out bodies... I've learned that these ol' dinosaur D70s are remarkably durable (great - I bet I just jinxed that!). As I think more and more about replacing mine, I get braver and braver (or stupider and stupider depending on your perspective) with what I try to do with it. Rain, sand, etc... Damn thing keeps working! But I know there's a limit - and I'll never be able to push it anywhere close to the potential of the E-3... but still...

Although I was initially an Oly fan b/c of their clever ingenuity (I still have an E-330), I really now question their long-term viability as a digital consumer photography company in general - and I'm absolutely uncertain about the immediate future of the 4/3 format in particular. I think that Oly made a calculated all-or-nothing gamble with 4/3, but was way too slow in delivering on its promise of a TRULY smaller sized system. Now that they're scrambling to [finally] deliver on that promise with micro-4/3 and more wood mock-ups, they're starting to alienate the [relatively small but VERY loyal] fan base that keeps them going. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has taken a different tack: sensor prices have fallen from orbit and digital 'full-frame' is now with reach of guys like me and you. Oly probably didn't count on this when they took the 4/3 gamble, and they are stuck with their smaller sensors.

Anyhow - I appreciate your opinion, and actually agree with 99.9% of everything you say... and I wish I could afford 1/2 of your gear collection!!

e_dawg
12-01-2008, 07:39 AM
But IMO the whole 4/3 concept is flawed and has no long term future.
He is my prediction (MINE not from the Internet or with any inside knowledge).

In 2 years Olympus will not exist in their own right they will have been purchased by Panasonic.

After Panasonic purchase Olympus they will can 4/3 DSLRs and all future 4/3 cameras will be micro 4/3 format (G1 and successors).

Panasonic will skip APS-C sensors and go straight to FF.

Yeah, people are saying that, including online reviewers / commentators like Thom, Michael, etc. I'd have to agree with you guys to a point, but not entirely.

After I heard about the m4/3 stuff and read initial previews and testing about the G1, I actually went out and purchased my 2 most expensive 4/3 lenses: the 14-35/2 and the 35-100/2. Point of no return? Meh.

m4/3 is not going to be able to offer the kind of fast glass that I and many other 4/3 shooters want anytime soon. If you take a look at Panasonic's lens roadmap for the next 2-3 years, all you see are slow f/4-5.6 consumer zooms (except for the 20/1.7). It's great for a more compact portable system for travel, etc. but it's not going to cut it for more "serious" use where you need some semblance of DoF control, amongst other things.

I figure they'll need about 5 years before they flesh out the lens lineup into something usable for enthusiasts / pros. And until that time, I and many others will be happily using my fast and sharp 4/3 glass and more pro/enthusiast-oriented bodies.

Will 4/3 die? It may, but i don't think it will anytime soon. I don't see APS-C as being any better technically. It may have more of a user base and big companies have more of a vested interest in seeing APS-C continue to succeed, so it will continue to be rammed down peoples' throats until FF can be made cheap enough. So except for that last point, I see APS-C as being in the same boat as 4/3 -- a format that was a compromise / stop-gap solution until a superior format was able to be established.

To extend your thinking to its logical conclusion, we're probably going to see m4/3 on the low end and FF on the high end... 4/3 classic and APS-C will both be squeezed out from the middle, although APS-C will take longer to be marginalized (although I don't think it will actually die for quite a long time).

I wouldn't worry about the imminent demise of 4/3, APS-C, or whatever. If you really like what a system can do for you, it will serve you well for years. You can't plan too far ahead in photographic equipment choices, as the game is ever changing, and even formats that you think are as good as dead are usually around for a lot longer than you think. 135 Film, MF, LF, OM, etc. There's a ton of stuff out there that's 10, 20, 30, 40 years old that people are still using to make great pics.

In fact, I think 4/3 equipment will be around longer than my current focus on photography as a hobby (I don't know how much time I'll have for this stuff as my life evolves to being more of a family man). I'm not going to stop taking pictures, but priorities change. The latest and greatest will give way to "I can do everything I want to do with my current gear, so no need to upgrade".

In any event, I've always been attracted to good glass. Using my 4/3 lenses makes me happy every time. That's why I picked up a Sony (if they didn't have some great Zeiss AF lenses, why would i buy a Sony dSLR?) Even if 4/3 dies (and I really hope it doesn't), I will continue to use the lenses, and I suspect m4/3 shooters will seek out used 4/3 lenses on eBay to use with the 4/3 mount adapter when they crave the awesome fast and sharp glass that isn't available for m4/3.

e_dawg
12-01-2008, 11:31 PM
Nice pics, edawg! Hey man - there's no denying the weather-resistance of the E-3. I'm with you on that one (and have been from day 1, as you'll recall). Unfortunately, unlike you (as much as as I wish I could), I can't afford the small arsenal of photo gear you have amassed! :eek: I have serious gear envy!! ;)

Thanks for the kind comments, cv! I do wish to comment on the amount of gear that I have, though. I really don't think that this amount of gear is necessary from a photographic perspective. I think you could do well with a much smaller, more strategic, and focused collection.

One reason I have all that gear is because I have been and still am finding my way through the dSLR equipment world, and have been of the mindset that reading about cameras and lenses online will never give you the full story about how they operate for you in those "decisive moments". In a way, I am paying to expedite my education in this area, and have been fortunate enough to do so with a stable career and being single all this time.

OTOH, I have also been strategically buying up gear for another (unrelated) reason: as things progress in my relationship, my single life will be drawing to a close. I am "stocking up" for the future, as my ability to buy "toys" like cameras and lenses will greatly diminish, giving way to frivolous things like houses and minivans ;) ... and eventually real toys (the kind with wheels and flashing lights).

I am gradually selling off my gear as I get a feel for what works best for me -- in fact, I just sold my L10 and S5 Pro in back-to-back weeks. The strategy might also be to keep a few things as a "buffer" -- things I don't really need but will be offered up as sacrificial lambs when forced to sell some of my gear in the great "harmonization and rationalization of our worldly possessions" process that takes place in the course of marriage ;)

Yes, to some it seems a bit silly, but let's face it: some of you know what i am talking about :)

Rooz
12-02-2008, 12:41 AM
Yes, to some it seems a bit silly, but let's face it: some of you know what i am talking about :)

lol...RUN while you still can !!!:eek::D

Dread Pirate Roberts
12-02-2008, 05:49 PM
Thats a very logical way to approach a relationship. If I'd been that logical myself I doubt I'd have a partner!

XaiLo
12-02-2008, 08:03 PM
lol...RUN while you still can !!!:eek::D

Thats a very logical way to approach a relationship. If I'd been that logical myself I doubt I'd have a partner!

e_dawg, don't listen to them I've been married for twen... ah man I can't lie "run Forest run" get that box of choclates and run. :p good luck man :) my shoulder is here for you if you ever need it.

K1W1
12-02-2008, 08:38 PM
I can't understand you guys. My wife told me that I am free to make my own decisions and buy whatever toys I like - as long as she approves. :D:D

XaiLo
12-03-2008, 03:50 AM
That's one heck of a stipulation Kiwi. :p

e_dawg
12-03-2008, 07:05 AM
Haha... I was out with my coworkers yesterday for lunch and one of them noticed that I ordered a side salad with my burger. She said "what's with the salad? You usually order fries... Someone's [makes whipping sound]..."

"I most certainly am not!" ... Meh, who am I kidding? :rolleyes:

swpars
12-03-2008, 09:10 AM
I am gradually selling off my gear as I get a feel for what works best for me -- in fact, I just sold my L10 and S5 Pro in back-to-back weeks. The strategy might also be to keep a few things as a "buffer" -- things I don't really need but will be offered up as sacrificial lambs when forced to sell some of my gear in the great "harmonization and rationalization of our worldly possessions" process that takes place in the course of marriage ;)

Yes, to some it seems a bit silly, but let's face it: some of you know what i am talking about :)

I definitely understand. In 2004, back when I was not in a relationship and had just graduated from university and gotten my first "real job", instead of buying a road bicycle from Trek that I ultimately didn't end up riding much - I should have purchased a Nikon D70 for just a little more. By now, I could have built up a decent Nikon system (some decent primes, maybe an f2.8 zoom...)

Getting the D40 + kit lens in 2007 took some negotiation with my better half, but she saw the light. I eventually want to get a prosumer Nikon body and more good glass, but that will take some further negotiation.

Dread Pirate Roberts
12-03-2008, 05:35 PM
This threads gone a bit OT but I can't resist.

Some famous comic once pointed out "marriage is an institution - and who wants to be committed to an institution".

Seriously though as a victim of nearly 20 years of marriage it can't be all bad - or else I'm a very slow learner.

And even more off topic, I start a new job (working for the government) Monday. After 4+ years out of work it's a big deal for me and most welcome. I can now sympathise with women re-entering the workforce after having kids, it's harder than you'd credit.

Rooz
12-03-2008, 06:23 PM
Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phill D
12-03-2008, 10:54 PM
As I don't shoot Nikon I'd have to be off topic so - Good luck with the new job DPR hope it goes well.

JTL
12-09-2008, 10:09 AM
Hey Rooz:

Just got off the phone with Adorama...

They have an "unofficial" availability date for the AF-S 50mm f/1.4 of December 24th. But, he said we can't take it to the bank because Nikon does not let them know the actual ship date until a day or so before.

There's a glimmer of hope...and at least a little to hold on to. But, the date is just another, albeit glorified, rumour!

e_dawg
12-09-2008, 05:09 PM
I wouldn't trust Adorama when it comes to availability dates. From what I've heard and seen, they seem to have a habit of promising early availability so they can grab orders from all the anxious early adopters when most other stores won't even list their item or specifies a more conservative ship date.

JTL
12-09-2008, 05:24 PM
I wouldn't trust Adorama when it comes to availability dates. From what I've heard and seen, they seem to have a habit of promising early availability so they can grab orders from all the anxious early adopters when most other stores won't even list their item or specifies a more conservative ship date.Well, then you'll just love this story! So, I call Adorama (which I have an open "backorder" with for the lens) and they tell me maybe 12/24...so I hang up and call 17th St. Photo since they always seem to get Nikon stuff ahead of most others. Well, the guy at 17th Street says "Yes, I have 10 of them right here"...and I say "What? You're sure? The Nikon AF-S 50mm f1.4/ G? Really?" to which he replies "I'm staring right at them"...to which I reply "I'll be right there" (one of the advantages of living in Manhattan). So I get there and they're all gone already...but he held one for me and I bought it on the spot. I figured, I'll call Adorama in the morning and cancel my order. I come home all excited...start testing it out right away, etc., etc. Then, I go and check my email and am completely shocked to see an email from Adorama, who had just told me two hours earlier that they didn't know when they were getting the lens, saying that they charged my card and shipped the lens!!! Well...Adorama is getting a ROYAL a$$-reaming tomorrow! I am really, really pissed at them and may not give them any more business. They better process a credit while I'm on the phone or a rampage will ensue! :eek:

UPDATE: Well I recieved the lens form Adorama so I called to complain and they said just return it and they would refund the money. The credit has already been processed, so they're back in my good graces. I told them that their stupidity cost them a sale and they explained that because the shipping is done out of the warehouse in NJ, the processing sometimes gets crossed up. Well...all's well that ends well...

XaiLo
12-09-2008, 05:59 PM
That's funny, email them your picture and tell em see I already got one do the math. :D