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Spookonthe8ball

10-24-2008, 10:13 PM

Single 2 lamp 4 foot flourescent light using sp41 lamps and my cat relaxing in the garage. 1600 iso and minimal processing. Shot in RAW , I backed off the contrast from 0 to -3, color 0, sharp 3. Never went to noise reduction from the raw image in DPP. Just downsized converted jpeg in Picasa to 800X600. White balance was great considering the light source. I always had to correct using the Xti in my garage lights. Used 17-55 mm IS lens.
I really like this body combined with the 17-55 in traditionally bad light conditions. If you 40D guys are enjoying this clean iso, you have been holding back making that point across to me. It can take a while before some of this info sinks in :rolleyes:
Spook

Turn

10-24-2008, 10:59 PM

meow.

come on ISO 1600? push it more!

it looks clean but its not very interesting, colours are a bit stale and while the cat looks nice, it isn't showing much character

it seems the 50D looks to be quite alright but I just can't see a major reason to jump from the 40D to the 50D.

Spookonthe8ball

10-25-2008, 08:49 AM

Sorry for the bland picture, I was just trying to illustrate how well the 50D behaves in very poor lighting conditions compared to my Xti. If you are a 40D owner it's probably not worth the upgrade. I was just impressed that camera settings can be at minimum and still deliver a decent image to work with for post processing. Now I see why people love their 40D's or full frame models. Higher iso is worth the upgrade from entry level cameras.
Spook

guntoter

10-25-2008, 12:29 PM

Spook,
The higher ISO is my biggest reason for wanting to upgrade from my XTI. I take many indoor sports pics as well as family get-togethers. It should greatly enhance my results. I am also interested with the levels of noise reduction, the better processor, higher megapicels.
I wish this economy would settle down. No big spending for me until I make sure I have a job.

If you get some outdoor shots with more color (leaves changing, etc), give us some examples. Good looking cat.

downtrodden

10-25-2008, 03:37 PM

yeah, i'm not impressed with the results of the ISO either. I've seen clean 1600 ISO shots from the 40D-
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2122195164_7bfe5b8cf4.jpg
ISO 1,600. shot with the nifty fifty @F2.2. Before i discovered my copy is crap before F2.8. and shot in JPEG, no processing other than cropping.

So clean ISO 1,600 shots don't really impress 40D users.

Lets see some ISO 3,200 shots to compare...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/2088617076_265a6a3d4d.jpg
again, shot in JPEG. kit lens.

Or somethings the 40D can't do at all- lets see some 6,400 shots and some 12,800 shots! I've yet to see any shots at these ISOs where I was impressed enough to want to buy a 50D. so far, both these ISOs have looked pretty much like i wouldn't want to use them, but I do want to upgrade my body... i want a sharper LCD... So c'mon man, sell me! Really put that body through it's paces!

Nickcanada

10-25-2008, 05:59 PM

Pfff, my 20D does ISO 1600 well. (ya, I'm an amateur, I forgot to lower the ISO)

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/IMG_8519.jpg

Spookonthe8ball

10-25-2008, 08:58 PM

Thanks downtrodden for motivating me to at least shoot a 12,800 shot :eek: I figured it would suck bigtime, so I really never tried until tonight. I was indeed surprised at the result. Pixel peeping shows the flaws, but it is usable. This post was mainly geared toward older Rebel owners like myself who were looking to upgrade. I couldn't shoot above 400 iso with the Xti without using a noise removal tool.
I'll post a few direct from the 50D without any noise reduction and all settings were set to 0 except for sharpening set to 2. RAW to jpeg using DPP. Jpeg files were downsized with Picasa to 800X600

The first one is my base at 200 iso. Just took shots of my old Rebel using same light and rolling up the iso. All shot at f8. Inserted text with zoom browser. EXIF data should be intact.
Spook

nqjudo

10-25-2008, 09:52 PM

I think that most people would have a lot less reason to be upset about noise in high ISO pictures if they would expose properly.

cdifoto

10-25-2008, 09:56 PM

I think that most people would have a lot less reason to be upset about noise in high ISO pictures if they would expose properly.
That and put their expectations on a realistic level.

Rooz

10-26-2008, 12:14 AM

Spookonthe8ball

10-26-2008, 12:15 AM

Pfff, my 20D does ISO 1600 well. (ya, I'm an amateur, I forgot to lower the ISO)

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/IMG_8519.jpg

Nice shot Nick. From what I have seen any higher level Canon camera does 1600 well. The Xti could not do that without some processing or excellent light.
Spook

cdifoto

10-26-2008, 12:51 AM

Even my old ass 1D II can do ISO1600 well.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a304/cdifoto/wedding/2008-08-16-0038.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a304/cdifoto/wedding/2008-08-16-0032.jpg

Rooz

10-26-2008, 01:37 AM

Nice shot Nick. From what I have seen any higher level Canon camera does 1600 well. The Xti could not do that without some processing or excellent light.
Spook

take a look at nick's XT shots.

Nickcanada

10-26-2008, 07:37 AM

It doesn't take much to get me to post up my pictures. :o

All taken with the XT, one of the main reasons I bought the 20D is so that I would have ISO 3200. The next body I buy is going to have to have higher ISO. I'm constantly wishing I had more. To be honest I've never looked at a 20D picture and said "wow that looks better then my XT". I still think the XT has fantastic IQ. The main thing I don't like about it is it's size and ergonomics. That second wheel on the xxD body is sooooo nice.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/IMG_0160copy.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/IMG_0626-1.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/The%20One%20Night%20Band/IMG_3477-Editcopy.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/livelifelivepics/Chris%20Murray/IMG_3650-Edit.jpg

Saleh

10-26-2008, 01:01 PM

did u shot this raw ?

Rooz

10-26-2008, 03:08 PM

saleh, since i'm sure nick wont say it, i will. the reason his hi-iso shots are so good, (as nq already mentioned), is cos he exposes them perfectly.

talkingdog

10-26-2008, 04:19 PM

8ball I just noticed ACR 5.1 is available and has a 64 bit converter too.

Spookonthe8ball

10-26-2008, 06:06 PM

Great shots Nick, I remember seeing some of your band pics before and they are always great. Like Rooz said, your exposures are right on.

talkingdog - thanks for the Adobe update. Looks like they have added support for a number of cameras.
Spook

cdifoto

10-26-2008, 08:33 PM

Nick is the king of high ISO polish. :cool:

He has a distinct advantage though - he's in Canada where it's colder so the sensor doesn't get as hot, thus cleaner images. :D

:p

nqjudo

10-26-2008, 09:18 PM

Nick is the king of high ISO polish. :cool:

He has a distinct advantage though - he's in Canada where it's colder so the sensor doesn't get as hot, thus cleaner images. :D

:p

But don't forget that this is mitigated by the fact that all of us Canadians are hosers and have a hard time operating cameras because they don't work like beer, eh! :D:D

adam75south

10-27-2008, 10:31 AM

i'll be posting some ISO 1600/3200 pics here in a little bit from saturday night. doubt they'll be that clean though, my messed up exposures were more over than under, so i should have decently clean images.

cdifoto

10-27-2008, 10:45 AM

But don't forget that this is mitigated by the fact that all of us Canadians are hosers and have a hard time operating cameras because they don't work like beer, eh! :D:D
Ohhh yeah I forgot about fermentation equilibrium.

michaelb

10-27-2008, 04:30 PM

Awesome band shots Nick.

zmikers

10-27-2008, 05:14 PM

But don't forget that this is mitigated by the fact that all of us Canadians are hosers and have a hard time operating cameras because they don't work like beer, eh! :D:D

"Take off eh! You hoser! Welcome to the great white north! Koo loo koo koo koo koo koo kooooooooo!"

Nickcanada

10-27-2008, 08:54 PM

LOL, thanks fellas.

There is no real trick really, it really is all white balance and exposure... the only post processing I do is what lightroom does when it imports my RAW files.

If ya'll are wondering why all us Canucks are so weired, this should explain it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owmt2rKBsb4

cdifoto

10-27-2008, 09:02 PM

If that's a rick-roll, I ain't clickin'

Nickcanada

10-27-2008, 09:11 PM

If that's a rick-roll, I ain't clickin'

What's a "rick-roll"? :confused::o

zmikers

10-28-2008, 03:33 AM

OMG I love the polk-a-dot door. But I didn't know that it was only in Canada..... That does explain a lot:p

cdifoto

10-28-2008, 03:41 AM

Haha I just clicked it. The body language of the "Polkaroo" is like "I'm not getting paid enough for this but thank god it's a full body costume...*sigh*" :D

FLiPMaRC

10-28-2008, 08:31 AM

LMAO! Polkaroo!!!! :D

Nickcanada

10-28-2008, 09:21 AM

Sorry but I must post some more Classic Canadian content. Here are a few vintage Tom Green skits. Think what you want about the guy but he had a cult fallowing when he was in Ottawa with his Cable television show. I'm sure he was a big fan of Polkaroo.

These links are not work safe. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMBtvkA7aQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncjTdjQOXIc

cdifoto

10-28-2008, 09:50 AM

I can't say I care much for Tom Green's style of comedy. I chuckled a little bit at first, but he tends to get carried away to the point of being unfunny, IMHO.

Nickcanada

10-28-2008, 10:13 AM

I agree, but, man oh man, was he the shit when I was in 6th grade. lol.

adam75south

10-28-2008, 07:51 PM

adam75south

10-28-2008, 08:09 PM

What's a "rick-roll"? :confused::o
i'm glad you asked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
you've now been rick roll'd

man i loved tom green. yea he was obnoxious, but man he'd crack me up. number one son. where's your lebaron freddie?