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pianoplayer88key

09-16-2008, 11:09 PM

Of course it depends on final image quality, and other factors, but on paper, the new Canon Ultra-Zoom(s) should basically come close enough to what I'm looking for to warrant its purchase, when it comes out, and when I can save the money to buy one.

One thing concerns me, though. The SX10 was announced on the 3 major sites I check for camera news (dpreview, imaging-resource, dcresource), but the SX1, the one I'm after, was only announced on dpreview, a UK-based site. Does this mean that it won't be available in the USA? I don't expect I'll purchase a SX# immediately when it becomes available in October, but I do want to have one at least a week or two before X-mas.
I also just noticed it's only F/5.7 at full telephoto. I guess that's what you get for increased zoom in a smaller-than-SLR package... Hopefully it has better high ISO quality than the S5 had, too (preferably at least 1 - 2 stops - meaning 1600 on this is as noisy as 800 or 400 on the S5)...

Also, imaging-resource says the expected price on the SX10 should be $399 when it becomes available. I haven't seen the price on the SX1, but would $499 be a good guess? Or if I get one within a few weeks of Xmas would I have a chance at getting one for $400?

jekostas

09-17-2008, 12:11 AM

Of course it depends on final image quality, and other factors, but on paper, the new Canon Ultra-Zoom(s) should basically come close enough to what I'm looking for to warrant its purchase, when it comes out, and when I can save the money to buy one.
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For god's sake, taking a quick perusal through your user id shows you've been posting threads like this for well over a year.

What have you been doing up until this point, or do you constantly make impulse buys of shiny things?

pianoplayer88key

09-17-2008, 12:47 AM

And this is the reaction I get?

This time (and it's the first in several years) the only things that'll prevent me from buying this camera are:
1. Something coming up and forcing me to spend my money elsewhere. (This is one major factor that has delayed my camera purchases till now.)
2. Finding out that for some reason the quality of the camera (image quality, build quality, etc) is severely compromised.

pas49ras

09-17-2008, 01:04 AM

Or if I get one within a few weeks of Xmas would I have a chance at getting one for $400?

And if you wait till July 4th you can get one for $385.00 and by Xmas 2009 they will be on close-out for $350.00. Please...buy one and have fun.

pianoplayer88key

09-17-2008, 01:16 AM

Barring unforseen circumstances, I definitely plan to buy one by Xmas.

Also, considering some of the responses I've gotten from some of my previous threads..... I'll probably have to post a picture (taken with my cell phone) of me at home holding the SX1 (hopefully I don't have to settle for the SX10 - I'll probably import an SX1 if necessary) to prove that I got it.

It'd be nice to get the SX1 for $400, like the SX10 is slated to be, but hopefully I can afford $500 for it....

jekostas

09-17-2008, 01:30 AM

Barring unforseen circumstances, I definitely plan to buy one by Xmas.

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30294

pianoplayer88key

09-17-2008, 01:49 AM

That thread is irrelevant now.

Turn

09-17-2008, 01:57 AM

get the damn SX1 IS

whats good is that Canon have changed their movie codec for the Canon Digital IXUS 980 IS and Digital IXUS 870 IS to H.264

but not for these cameras which is odd..

pianoplayer88key

09-17-2008, 02:05 AM

Actually... I'm looking on a couple Canon sites, and it looks like the SX1 and SX10 ARE H.264!

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=17630#ModelTechSpecsAct
scroll down a little more than halfway

also http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcweb.canon.jp%2Fcgi-bin%2Fcamera%2Fdcam%2Fspec.cgi%3Fpr%3Dpssx1is&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en

The main thing that concerns me, though, is that the SX1 may not be available in the USA through the normal channels. :( If it's not, then how can I get the SX1? The SX10 won't cut it.

Turn

09-17-2008, 02:18 AM

David Metsky

09-17-2008, 06:28 AM

The main thing that concerns me, though, is that the SX1 may not be available in the USA through the normal channels. :( If it's not, then how can I get the SX1? The SX10 won't cut it.
I'm shocked, shocked to hear that there might be a fly in the ointment with this camera. When you actually buy the camera and post some images then I'll believe you. You've cried wolf too many times.

S_p_i_d_e_r

09-17-2008, 09:12 AM

Wide angle at last! But still no RAW :(

David Metsky

09-17-2008, 10:05 AM

Wide angle at last! But still no RAW :(
The CDHK hack will take care of that in short order.

Turn

09-17-2008, 10:11 AM

Wide angle at last! But still no RAW :(

someone is bound to "crack" that

and plus, I kind of find RAW to be overrated in most situations..

jekostas

09-17-2008, 10:17 AM

Wide angle at last! But still no RAW :(

I really do have to wonder how much RAW is actually used by the people that buy high-end ultrazooms. I know there's a big movement to have it included, but still, working with RAW files and getting actual benefits takes time, practice, and considering how crappy most software that's included with cameras is, money. Same thing for live histograms: nice to have, but I'm not sure how many people buying in this segment know how to use them properly.

Ah well, at least there should be the corollary of increasing camera performance through better read/write times.

JPW2020

09-17-2008, 12:26 PM

The main thing that concerns me, though, is that the SX1 may not be available in the USA through the normal channels. :( If it's not, then how can I get the SX1? The SX10 won't cut it.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the TX1 which I have but had to import as it is not available in the UK.

Different camera admittedly but many of the movie features of the TX1 seem to be in the the spec for the SX1.No problem here because you cant get the TX1 but perhaps Canon USA dont want to launch the SX1 in the USA as it will damage sales of the TX1?

Dont know how big a seller it is in the USA as the TX1 is an acquired taste but its handling, awkward at first, quickly becomes second nature once you are used to it.Maybe the SX1 will be introduced later.

pianoplayer88key

09-18-2008, 06:42 PM

I emailed Canon....

To paraphrase/summarize... they said they didn't have plans to introduce the SX1 in the USA, but were evaluating consumer demand. I told them I definitely want one.

Also, when I asked about the Loyalty Program, they said I could swap the S1 for one of 3 cameras:
SD850 = $150
G9 = $369
XT + 18-55 = $299
plus $10 2nd-day delivery
The price on that program for the G9 looks awfully high, but would it be worth it to swap my S1 for the XT or 850, then ebay it?
Chances are I could also throw in a few CF cards - AData 8GB and 4GB, 2 Sandisk 1GBs and a 512MB, a SimpleTech 256MB, a Dane-Elec 128MB, and a Lexar 64MB. (All but the AData's are standard (slower) speed cards, also I may want to hold back on one or two cards just in case I'll need them later, but I expect my next camera to use SD memory not CF.)

Turn

09-18-2008, 07:02 PM

jekostas

09-18-2008, 07:15 PM

I emailed Canon....

To paraphrase/summarize... they said they didn't have plans to introduce the SX1 in the USA, but were evaluating consumer demand. I told them I definitely want one.

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Or, you could walk down to the store right now and get an entry-level dSLR kit with two lenses for the same price as what you're going to pay for the SX1.

But, you're not going to, and by the time the SX1 would actually be available, you'll find some reason to say that it's not good enough.

Steve McDonald

09-19-2008, 12:40 AM

There's more bad news about the SX1 and the SX10. They have no means to attach lens accessories. Unlike the S5, there is no mount for a lens adaptor. In the online manual for the SX10, there's no mention of filters, add-on lenses or lens adaptors. Possibly, an after-market supplier might make an adaptor to fit in the lens hood bracket that would hold filters or extra lenses, if it is sturdy enough for it, but nothing has been mentioned about that yet. In the Settings Menu for the SX10, there's no option for accomodating a teleconverter in the Image Stabilizer section, as you have with the S5. Also, even though in the Latest News section of the Canon USA website, the "estimated" price of the SX10 is $399., if you look up that model in the listings for all their cameras, its price is $499.

Steve McDonald

S_p_i_d_e_r

09-19-2008, 03:04 AM

There's more bad news about the SX1 and the SX10. They have no means to attach lens accessories. Unlike the S5, there is no mount for a lens adaptor

Look at this picture -> http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0809/canon/compacts/PowerShot-SX10-IS-FSL.jpg

You can clearly see the thread at the end of the lens barrel. Enough to mount a filter, and with 28-560mm range who needs a tele- or wide angle converter anyway? :)

Turn

09-19-2008, 03:08 AM

Or, you could walk down to the store right now and get an entry-level dSLR kit with two lenses for the same price as what you're going to pay for the SX1.

But, you're not going to, and by the time the SX1 would actually be available, you'll find some reason to say that it's not good enough.

agreed

piano, go buy a dSLR and start shooting

David Metsky

09-19-2008, 07:10 AM

piano, go buy a dSLR and start shooting
Can you just imagine the threads about him shopping for lenses? :eek:

S_p_i_d_e_r

09-19-2008, 08:14 AM

Can you just imagine the threads about him shopping for lenses? :eek:

:eek: Aaaaa!!! Run for your lives!!! :eek:

FLiPMaRC

09-19-2008, 08:27 AM

Lmao!!! :d

MaDMaXX

09-19-2008, 03:56 PM

As i've read, the SX1 will have the tele converter option, the SX10 doesn't mention it.

S_p_i_d_e_r

09-19-2008, 04:32 PM

Both cameras have threaded lens, probably 58mm.

pianoplayer88key

09-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Can you just imagine the threads about him shopping for lenses? :eek:
:eek: Aaaaa!!! Run for your lives!!! :eek:
LMFAO!

Just to whet your appetites....
{sarcasm}
hey guys, I'm interested in buying the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark IV. Any chance on getting one for $5? I like the 512 megapixels (good for cropping), the max ISO 107374182400 (and it's noise free to boot!), the 500 year to 0.000001 yoctosecond shutter speeds, the included built-in 1073741824 yobibytes of storage, the 250000 exaframes per yoctosecond continuous shooting, the folding 144" 600dpi (way more than 1080p) OLED screen, the fact that the entire camera with lenses will fit in someone's contact lens, but I can't decide what lens to get. I'm leaning toward the 0.001mm-3000km F/0.015625 lens, but it's a little expensive at $10. Should I just go for the 0.5mm-2000mm F/0.25 for $2?
{/sarcasm}

Ok obviously that will NEVER happen!
I've been researching various sites (slrgear.com if I remember URL correctly, for one) on what lenses are good. I'm not ready for an SLR, yet, though, but assuming current / newly announced products, I'm split between Canon, Nikon and 4/3 (including micro), when / if I ever get one. At the rate I'm going, the 1Ds Mark XVIII will be available in my above stated price range before I'm ready to get an SLR.

Setter Dog

09-20-2008, 05:07 AM

Just stopped in to this forum,......which has been pretty slow for some reason, I was frankly surprised to see Piano getting beat up because some didn't think he was a serious buyer, just a poster.

If his style bothered me as much as it does some of you, I'd ignore his posts. Personally, I enjoyed this thread and admire his thick skin.

Here's to some good reviews on the SX1 and SX10.

Steve McDonald

09-20-2008, 05:52 AM

Look at this picture -> http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0809/canon/compacts/PowerShot-SX10-IS-FSL.jpg

You can clearly see the thread at the end of the lens barrel. Enough to mount a filter, and with 28-560mm range who needs a tele- or wide angle converter anyway? :)

Sorry, but that has been investigated and what appear to be threads are just grooves for reinforcement. If you look at the online user's manual for either model, you'll see no mention of filters or any indication that there are filter threads inside the lens opening. It's possible that some after-market company may make a filter-holder that fits onto the hood bracket. Look to Lensmate for a possible solution. Who needs more lens range? I do-----and quite a bit more. But apparently, the geniuses at Canon think the same way you do about added focal-length. They may have forgotten what the main purpose of an ultrazoom camera is. The series of blunders surrounding these models------no SX1 in North America, no HD video for the SX10, the lack of a lens-mounting for accessories and the adding of two more Megapixels to an already crowded sensor, may cause them to be no more popular than the Sony H7 and H9 of last year.

Turn

09-20-2008, 05:59 AM

LMFAO!

Just to whet your appetites....
{sarcasm}
hey guys, I'm interested in buying the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark IV. Any chance on getting one for $5? I like the 512 megapixels (good for cropping), the max ISO 107374182400 (and it's noise free to boot!), the 500 year to 0.000001 yoctosecond shutter speeds, the included built-in 1073741824 yobibytes of storage, the 250000 exaframes per yoctosecond continuous shooting, the folding 144" 600dpi (way more than 1080p) OLED screen, the fact that the entire camera with lenses will fit in someone's contact lens, but I can't decide what lens to get. I'm leaning toward the 0.001mm-3000km F/0.015625 lens, but it's a little expensive at $10. Should I just go for the 0.5mm-2000mm F/0.25 for $2?
{/sarcasm}

Ok obviously that will NEVER happen!
I've been researching various sites (slrgear.com if I remember URL correctly, for one) on what lenses are good. I'm not ready for an SLR, yet, though, but assuming current / newly announced products, I'm split between Canon, Nikon and 4/3 (including micro), when / if I ever get one. At the rate I'm going, the 1Ds Mark XVIII will be available in my above stated price range before I'm ready to get an SLR.

dude you have to be confident in your decision, it took me a few days of research and 2hrs deciding to get a 450D and I've never looked back

what is more important is that you start shooting

not to rush you, but in my eyes you have the camera that is right for you which is the SX10 IS and you should get it asap

28mm, 20x zoom, i dont see a reason why you'd need accessories

fine if you don't feel ready for a dSLR but really, the only things that should be stopping you is cost and not needing its versatility

St. Chris

09-20-2008, 10:25 AM

Tough crowd!

Turn nailed this:

28mm, 20x zoom, i dont see a reason why you'd need accessories

The SX1/SX10 looks like Canon finally drew a firm line between S series and SLR, and I'm for it.

I've got an S5 (and had an S2 before it), and I've never bothered with attachments. The whole reason I have an S is to carry one piece of equipment in one minimal bag, plus a spare set of batteries and memory card. My top-flap Tamrac lets me quickdraw the S5, I flip it on as part of the draw, and I'm shooting. Never have to think about having the right lens attached. For me, that's the whole point of this camera line, and Canon has now cut away the distractions. If I were going to lug around a teleconverter or wide-angle converter, I'd get a bigger bag and move up to a DSLR.

I use an S5 also because it records video with stereo sound, which has effectively quelled my desire to also take a DV camera on trips. YES yes yes, I'm aware of the video quality difference, but for my purposes, it's not enough to make me strap on another bag.

The SX1/SX10 lens finally comes down to 28mm, which is one of the few deficiencies that really bugs me about the S5. The zoom range extends to a whopping 560mm; I hope the glass is good enough to really deliver it.

And H.264? Hallelujah. Glad Canon finally came to the party. The big video files were another annoyance with the S5. But no HD in the SX10? Well, that's a limitation of the sensor, it seems; only the SX1's CMOS has the speed. I have to wonder whether that significantly improves the still image quality as well.

But it looks like that CMOS sensor is ravenous! The 160-shot CIPA battery-life stat for the SX1 is almost shockingly low, almost four times as power-hungry as the 600-shot SX10, three times as hungry as the 450-shot S5. On a busy day, I might well have to carry two spare NIMH sets for the SX1 instead of one. (Conversely, if the SX10 really extends the battery life by 1/3 over the S5, that's impressive. I might not need a spare set at all.)

Oh, and the SX1 comes with a remote. No remote for the SX10? Between that and the CMOS sensor, it looks like the SX1 is the "serious" version of the SX10 -- their top feature-packed non-SLR. So what was it that made Canon decide to exclude it from the US market? I may be getting in touch with my friends in Japan.

MaDMaXX

09-20-2008, 11:37 AM

Good job summing that up St Chris, as for the CMOS/SX1, i understand it to be low yields on the CMOS, and that it *may* appear some time next year in the states.

Steve McDonald

10-05-2008, 03:57 AM

See my remarks on this other thread in the forum:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41205

And, I'll state again, that the SX10 has no mounting threads for filters or add-on lenses.
This was confirmed by several people who either had purchased it or did hands-on tryouts at trade shows or dealers. What you see inside the lens are just straight grooves, that have no threading function.

Steve McDonald

wingsoffires

10-09-2008, 10:50 AM

can somebody advise if sx10 does have the safety zoom feature as this (extra optical zoom) feature is very important to me. On none of the canon sites this feature is visible in specification page of the sx10.

Keleka Kaimana

10-09-2008, 10:53 PM

I'm not sure what you are asking exactly, wingsoffires?

You can turn the digital zoom OFF, if that's what you are asking.

Steve McDonald

10-10-2008, 03:11 AM

can somebody advise if SX10 does have the safety zoom feature as this (extra optical zoom) feature is very important to me. On none of the Canon sites this feature is visible in specification page of the SX10.

Yes, it has Safety Zoom and it extends even farther than previous models, to 2.2X of the standard zoom reach of 560mm, at the 2-MP pixel-size.

Steve McDonald