Don't let me do it!!!!!

[Nickcanada]

So, I need a wide angle lens for this wedding coming up. 35mm doesn't seem wide enough. I scoped out the church on the weekend and here it is....

It's located right down town so tight streets.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7292.jpg

The one good angle from across the street shows it's surrounded by trees...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7323.jpg

Few more random shots...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7302.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7307.jpg



So for me to be standing infront of this thing I'm gonna need a freaking fisheye to get the whole church in the frame.

but what I really want to do is buy a 24mm tilt shift and a film camera. I don't want to rent one because I'm going to need at least a month to get used to a tilt shift lens. I could always sell it if I don't like it..... I dunno am I crazy?

I've been waking up at night and all I can think about is this damn tilt shift lens. :eek:


I guess primes aren't hard enough to deal with I need extra dials and MF too. :rolleyes: lol....

[adam75south]

you're extremely crazy nick....look man, i talk myself in and out of buying stuff daily. lately it's been a laptop....i also really want some cybersyncs.

don't do it buddy. there's far more useful lenses than a tilt/shift. get the 10-22mm or that tokina 10-17 or whatever it is fisheye.

[michaelb]

I've never used a T/S, but have heard that they are both cool and a bit of a pain to deal with - MF as well. T/S are very specialized lenses. Also, I still don't consider 24mm very wide on a 1.6X crop.

I would consider one of the following instead: (I love UWA's though)
Canon 10-22
Tokina 12-24
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 (faster, if you need it)
Tokina 10-17 fish (can be used on FF as well) - I've been thinking about this one myself
or
Canon 17-40, if you don't need anything too wide, but 17mm doesn't seem very wide to me on a 1.6X crop. (also FF usable, of course).

[Nickcanada]

I know what you are saying but I still want one..... :p

I was thinking about the 11-16mm but it's hard to find right now and there seem to be lots of quality control issues going on with it right now.

I was thinking of using the 24mm on a film body to make things more complicated. ;)

here are some more scouting shots. all locations are pretty much within sight of the church.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7322.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7336.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7331.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7288.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7287.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7278.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/_MG_7267.jpg

[Nickcanada]

Oh and I still want the Sigma 10mm 2.8

[adam75south]

nick you got some really cool locations there man.

dude, i would be more than happy to shoot weddings free if i could just get airfare, food, and a place to sleep paid for....just to travel. i get sick of texas....don't get me wrong, i LOVE it here, but there's just so much i need to see.

ummmm, were we talking about something?? haha

[24Peter]

Nick - the Canon TS lenses are not as complicated as you think. A few hours and you're good. The one thing to note is the EV values of the lens change as you shift (not really so much when you tilt) so you'll need EC at some point. While I love TS lenses, TS on a film camera without any real prior experience could be career suicide. Rent one on your 20D for a week and see if you're confident enough with it; then rent it again for the wedding. In the meantime, also try out the Canon 10-22 if you haven't. Your decision may become quite clear...

[Nickcanada]

nick you got some really cool locations there man.

dude, i would be more than happy to shoot weddings free if i could just get airfare, food, and a place to sleep paid for....just to travel. i get sick of texas....don't get me wrong, i LOVE it here, but there's just so much i need to see.

ummmm, were we talking about something?? haha


That would kick ass. I'm not sure it's in their budget but if we could work out airfare I've got the rest of the stuff. What is a return ticket going for?

[Nickcanada]

Nick - the Canon TS lenses are not as complicated as you think. A few hours and you're good. The one thing to note is the EV values of the lens change as you shift (not really so much when you tilt) so you'll need EC at some point. While I love TS lenses, TS on a film camera without any real prior experience could be career suicide. Rent one on your 20D for a week and see if you're confident enough with it; then rent it again for the wedding. In the meantime, also try out the Canon 10-22 if you haven't. Your decision may become quite clear...


Career suicide lol... what career?!? hehe.

You know I might just rent the lens like you suggested. It's 40 bucks for the weekend.... This weekend is a long one too.... hmmm, time to reserve it I think! :D

[cdifoto]

That...is...a...sweet....location. We ain't got shit like that here. :(

[michaelb]

...You know I might just rent the lens like you suggested. It's 40 bucks for the weekend... :D

Yea, that's the way to do it for sure Nick.

Why don't you rent a 10-22 at the same time? ;)

[GaryS]

Don't be a baby Nick!!! Just buy it!









jk.

[adam75south]

That would kick ass. I'm not sure it's in their budget but if we could work out airfare I've got the rest of the stuff. What is a return ticket going for?

nick i have yet to set foot on a plane. i'd leave from dallas.

[Nickcanada]

Yea, that's the way to do it for sure Nick.

Why don't you rent a 10-22 at the same time? ;)

The local place doesn't have one! :( They don't have any wide angle lenses for a crop sensor!

I'm pretty set on a 2.8 lens though.

[Nickcanada]

Don't be a baby Nick!!! Just buy it!









jk.


I almost did it, then I saw you were joking. :(:eek:

[Nickcanada]

nick i have yet to set foot on a plane.


Really!? Shit man, I almost want to pay for your ticket myself.... almost. ;):D Seriously though, I don't even know how much I'm getting for this wedding, they are getting the friend discount. ;):o I'd love to make it work though.

[GaryS]

The local place doesn't have one! :( They don't have any wide angle lenses for a crop sensor!

I had the same problem Nick, nobody who rents in Canada has anything near a 10mm. If you want something long, then its not a problem....

[adam75south]

when is it nick? i might just do it just to do it. i think round trip is only around $600 and i've got vacation time.

what city would i fly to?

[DonSchap]

Have Adam rent the lens BEFORE he flies up! And to think ... I almost went for the TAMRON 14mm f/2.8! Saved by the "Out-of-stock" faerie!

I reconsidered it ... knowing that the 0.45x screw-on lens might just get close enough, placed on the 28mm f/2.8 ... it becomes ... drum roll, please ...

13mm f/3.3!

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Hey, yeah, it's Frankenstein, but how many shots you planning to shoot? There's always Photoshop for clean up. The financial outlay for a real WIDE lens is just way over the top ... for the return on investment (ROI). I mean c'mon! This even works on a FULL FRAME camera body. No Canon EF-S, Tamron's Di-II or SIGMA DC nonsense. A $79 converter and the cost of 28mm f/2.8 lens.

BTW: This only works on the 28mm f/2.8 (52mm-filter ring) without vignette. So, therefore NO 28mm f/1.8 (58mm-filter), 24mm f/2.8 (58mm filer), 24mm f/1.4L (77mm-filter) or 20mm f/2.8 (72-mm filter) lenses. Oh well ... cheaper anyway! :rolleyes:

[FLiPMaRC]

LOL! I'm tempted to do that with my 28mm f/2.8 lens :eek: LOL! :D

[Gintaras]

Nick, take a look at new Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX (Canon) http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/379-tokina_1116_28_canon

if you can find one in your location that might be YOUR LENS!

[DonSchap]

Okay ... I took a moment or two to actually use this 13mm contraption ... took a picture of the paneled wall, because of the nice vertical lines it has, just to show the initial lens' rectilinear distortion and how you can easily correct it with Photoshop filter.

Initial image
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Filter applied ... value = +13.00 ( "Filter" > "Distort" > "Lens Correction" )
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Crop the corners off with rectangle selection and ... Voila! 13mm shot from a 28mm f/2.8 lens
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Okay ... on a Canon APS-C sensor ... it's 1.6x 13mm ... or 21mm, but hey, you want to spend a lot of money on a EF 14mm f/2.8L USM (~$1800) for a 22mm shot? Go right ahead, they are more than willing to take it from you. ;)

Everybody has the an$wer. LOL :rolleyes:

Here is the detailed help screen from Photoshop:

Correct image perspective and lens flaws:

Choose Filter > Distort > Lens Correction.
Set the grid and image zoom. As you work you may want to adjust the grid lines to help you judge the amount of correction to make. See Adjust the Lens Correction preview and grid, below.
(Optional) Choose a preset list of settings from the Settings menu. Lens Default uses settings that you previously saved for the camera, lens, focal length, and f‑stop combination used to make the image. Previous Conversion uses the settings used in your last lens correction. Any group of custom settings you saved are listed at the bottom of the menu. See Set camera and lens defaults, below.
Set any of the following options to correct your image.


Remove Distortion Corrects lens barrel or pincushion distortion. Move the slider to straighten horizontal and vertical lines that bend either away from or toward the center of the image. You can also use the Remove Distortion tool to make this correction. Drag toward the center of the image to correct for barrel distortion and toward the edge of the image to correct for pincushion distortion. Adjust the Edge option to specify how you want to handle any resulting blank image edges.

Chromatic Aberration Corrects color fringing. Zoom in on the image preview to get a closer view of the fringing as you make the correction.

Fix Red/Cyan Fringe Compensates for red/cyan color fringing by adjusting the size of the red channel relative to the green channel.

Fix Blue/Yellow Fringe Compensates for blue/yellow color fringing by adjusting the size of the blue channel relative to the green channel.

Vignette Corrects images that have darkened edges caused by lens faults or improper lens shading.

Amount Sets the amount of lightening or darkening along the edges of an image.

Midpoint Specifies the width of area affected by the Amount slider. Specify a lower number to affect more of the image. Specify a higher number to restrict the effect to the edges of the image.

Vertical Perspective Corrects image perspective caused by tilting the camera up or down. Makes vertical lines in an image parallel.

Horizontal Perspective Corrects image perspective, making horizontal lines parallel.

Angle Rotates the image to correct for camera tilt or to make adjustments after correcting perspective. You can also use the Rotate Straighten tool to make this correction. Drag along a line in the image that you want to make vertical or horizontal.

Edge Specifies how to handle the blank areas that result from pincushion, rotation, or perspective corrections. You can fill blank areas with transparency or a color (background color), or you can extend the edge pixels of the image.

Scale Adjusts the image scale up or down. The image pixel dimensions aren’t changed. The main use is to remove blank areas of the image caused by pincushion, rotation, or perspective corrections. Scaling up effectively results in cropping the image and interpolating up to the original pixel dimensions.


Who says you can't learn anything on the DCRP Forums? :confused:

[adam75south]

Have Adam rent the lens BEFORE he flies up!

you might be on to something there don. i rented the 10-22 one time for 30 days. i think it was only $130.

[Nickcanada]

So I couldn't rent the tilt shift this weekend, it was already taken. I got my Second 20D in though! It's nice I'm going to enjoy the dual body goodness.

[lukeap69]

that last photo is very cool nick. love it!

[adam75south]

So I couldn't rent the tilt shift this weekend, it was already taken. I got my Second 20D in though! It's nice I'm going to enjoy the dual body goodness.

i loooooove my two 30d's. i want a vertical battery for the other one too.
just feels small now.