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pianoplayer88key
07-11-2008, 08:34 PM
Edit #2: Why are my posts always so lengthy? Am I trying to say too much in one post? Am I using too many words to say what could be said in 1/10th the space? Is posting between 12am and 4am while having only gotten 3 (or fewer) hours of sleep the previous night not a good idea? What gives?


Hi, all. My Canon S1 IS is having problems again. I've already had the CCD issue fixed, but now the lens isn't extending and I can't review pictures on the LCD screen. I can review them in the viewfinder, so long as I start the camera in review mode. I hear some people are sending S1s in and getting S5s for them, but does that only apply to the CCD issue? If I'm going to have to pay any more than $50-75 (or possibly ANYTHING) (including shipping, tax, etc) to get my camera fixed, then I should probably look at buying a newer camera. A few I might consider include the Canon S5 (unless an S6 is announced SOON), the Fuji S100fs, Olympus SP-570 UZ, or Casio EX-F1.

I like the Canon S5's high quality movie sound and that it can zoom and focus while shooting a movie, its super macro, movable LCD and AA batteries, but it's way too noisy at ISO 1600. On the Casio EX-F1, I like its 1080p movies, 60fps burst, 1/40k” shutter speed available, but it's only 6mp and I don't think it has stereo audio nor can zoom/focus during movies. As for the Fuji S100fs, 11mp to give more room for cropping is nice, and a decent high ISO performance helps, especially with the larger sensor. I can live with the camera being larger (since that seems to mean better image quality which is very important to me), but I really want to pay somewhat LESS than the cheapest body-only dSLR on the market. I like the Olmpus SP-570 UZ's zoom range (26-520mm), but xD cards are a turnoff for me. A few cameras I've researched (don't know if I've named one here) can use a 60” shutter speed, and I believe the Olympus can do 8 minutes in bulb mode (according to imaging-resource). As for the Sony DSC-H50, nightshot would be nice, but I don't want to use memory sticks, and I would like to KEEP my full manual controls while doing IR photography (but the Fuji IS-1 seems to like to play hard to get).

I too am watching intently for the Canon S6 announcement, often checking dpreview, imaging-resource and dcresource a few times a day each. I just really hope it's a big step up from the S5 (like Windows 95 was from Windows 3.1) and not just a baby step (like a weekly windows update patch). At minimum, I'd like one that has all the features/quality/etc I've noted of several cameras rolled into one camera, without the cons (all of which are deal breakers, preventing me from deciding on a camera). I may be able to wait till early December to buy a camera, but I REALLY hope to get one ASAP, like by early August for example. Chances are I'll probably be keeping this for a few years. I'm not one to jump and upgrade as SOON as a new baby-step comes out, except when my current unit breaks and isn't cost effective to repair. Unfortunately, due to financial issues, I may have to wait till near the end of my timeline to even be able to scrap together $250-350 on a camera, and I really don't want to get a piece of **** which is what I'd basically get at that price. :( A dedicated video camera (1080p HD, 28-1000mm F/1.4-2.8 zoom, 36 hours highest-quality recording at a time, as low noise as a Nikon D3) and a dSLR+lens kit (12mp on 1.6x or 20mp on FF, in-body IS, movable screen like Oly E-3, low noise like D300/D3/D700 + 18-50 F/2.8 macro, 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS, 150-500mm f/5-6.3 IS, ~50mm (equivalent) F/1.8 or F/2) are way out of reach, probably for at least another couple years.

Also, missing from my arsenal for the past few years, since my Canon A70 broke (which happened BEFORE I got my S1), is a good pocketable cam. I'd be able to live with something as large as a Panasonic TZ series, but I'd want the high ISO performance of the Fuji F series, a good wide-angle to moderate telephoto (28-140mm is fine like Fuji F100fd), a flip-out-and-twist LCD, a fast lens (F/2-3 like older Canon G series or F/1.8-F/2.6 like older Olympus C-X0X0 series), and full manual controls. While the next Fuji F series isn't likely to have the movable LCD or super fast lens, is it likely to have manual controls and still have decent high ISO performance?

Another thing... I often have difficulty taking candids. Seems that people ALWAYS look away from the camera. I have yet to find something with which I can take pictures, with my subjects looking straight at the camera, without them being able to see it. (2 examples: in daylight, they're so far away from me that I can't see THEM at all (even with an unobstructed view) with my unaided eyesight ; or in closer quarters (subject 5-30 feet away), it's so dark that I can't see my hand in front of my face (even though I'm more well lit than the subject). In either case, I'd want at least 12mp, with the subject's portrait being a 3/4 to full-length framed, fast enough shutter speed to freeze any action made by a living person/animal/etc, low noise (like ISO 100 on a Nikon D3), and good depth of field (like F/32 at 35mm on a dSLR). Since I won't likely find a camera (or two) with specs like that for a long time, is there anything I can do to get people to be more comfortable with me taking pics of them? Note: a few have told me they don't like it cause they think I take too many (for example, more than a pro photographer might take at a wedding). I only do that because in my experience my pics are so bad that I have to take a few thousand to have hope of finding ONE halfway-decent picture. Maybe I'm trying to take too many action shots in low i-can't-see-my-hand-in-front-of-my-face light without flash? Natural lighting is very important, as well as having it be candid and not posed, hence my aversion to using flash even when it's extremely dark.

pianoplayer88key
07-13-2008, 03:54 AM
Basically, unless I can get my S1 repaired/replaced free (CCD already fixed, now lens and LCD not working), I'm looking for the following, preferably smaller & cheaper than an Olympus E-420 with kit lens, in no particular order:

movie mode combining best of Casio EX-F1 with Canon S5 IS
flip-out-and-twist LCD like S5 IS, or better (larger, more res, etc)
11mp resolution (S100fs)
good high ISO performance (S100fs)
burst shooting like EX-F1
lens or sensor stabilization, whichever is better (both is nice)
SP-570 zoom range, or wider and longer. {Please explain something... why are digicam zooms (currently) limited to 20x, while video cams can have 50x? I've also seen 300x HD video lenses, too. When explaining, please keep size & price out of the discussion.} Also prefer smart (lossless) digital zoom - lower res = more zoom. must be usable WITH optical zoom in movie mode as well.
Panasonic FZ-20 max aperture at tele, Canon G6 or Olympus C-5050 at wide (minimum preferably F/11 or slower)
good macro. S5-like would be nice. Also prefer good tele macro (would 30cm be decent at 550mm focal length?)
SD or CF memory, AA batteries
prefer smaller than smallest DSLR kit, but can allow a little leeway considering the quality of optics I'm looking for
definitely at least 25% cheaper than cheapest DSLR body, or no more expensive than Canon S* series cameras were when first launched, preferably whichever is less
preferably not too cheaply built. Some things are falling apart on my S1, and I expect to keep this camera at least as long.
hot-shoe would be nice. I'd be able to forgive omission of a built-in flash if the camera has a hot-shoe, a super fast lens (beating the FZ-20 or G6) and exceptionally good high ISO performance (that would put the F31fd to shame).
other features I may not have mentioned.... I won't go into detail, but several different cameras have features seemingly unique to a specific model, but few if none have everything I'm looking for in one body. What gives? Size almost doesn't matter (but not bigger than a small DSLR + lens kit), but price should be cheaper than cheapest DSLR


Note: I'm sitting on pins-and-needles waiting for the Canon S6 announcement. I hope it's at least as big of a jump from the S5 as Windows 95 was from Windows 3.1. I often check dpreview, imaging-resource and dcresource several times a day each - am I getting a little over-anxious?

My guess/hope for some S6 specs:
3.0" flip-out-and-twist LCD with 300k pixels
12mp
2/3" SuperCCD HR sensor
24-576mm F/1.8-F/2.8 - F/8-F/16 IS
ISO 3200 or 6400 full res, up to maybe 25600 at, say, 3mp
1920x1080 30fps video with optical & digital zoom & autofocus
stereo movie audio, external audio input jack
$600 or lower at launch
time-lapse recording limited by shutter speed, card speed & capacity

tim11
07-13-2008, 04:08 AM
CUT THE SH1TS MATE. All these years you should have found better use of your time by now.

For other members: Don't bother replying to this thread. He has been posting nonsense again and again. He isn't looking for any replacement camera.

pianoplayer88key
07-13-2008, 04:51 AM
oops... double post... when i restored firefox session it only showed my original post, so I pasted in the quick reply box & hit submit... :\

Oh, and tim11 (and whoever else has posted less-than-nice comments in my threads in the past)... STFU please... I really don't appreciate your comments in my threads! And, looking for cameras is not the only thing I do with my time.

And... what do you mean "nonsense"? And what caca do I need to cut? (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36758) Just about every feature I'm asking for DOES exist in at least one or more cameras - it's just that there's no ONE camera with ALL of them, unless I'm barking up the wrong tree.

And yes, I AM looking for a replacement, seeing as my S1 IS is busted again.

Also, seeing as it's been 4 years since I got a camera (and I knew the S1 was a major compromise at the time I bought it and I don't want to make the same mistake twice), I'd like a significant leap forward (comparable to upgrading the same # of generations of Windows, for example), not a baby step.


ANOTHER THING: THIS CAMERA DOES NOT NEED TO BE A COMPACT CAMERA!! It'd be nice if it's not as big as a dSLR though.
Yes, I would also like to get a compact that I'll have with me all the time, but I'll be looking for a different camera with different specs, most notably a much shorter telephoto, probably in a body the size of a Panasonic TZ1 or Canon SX100 or A650 IS (with the reduced telephoto (140mm ok) being made up for by a faster lens (F2-F4) & larger sensor (2/3")). Right now, I'm looking for an all-around non-dSLR, and I don't care if it's not compact. Something the size of the Fuji S100fs or Panasonic FZ50 would be perfectly fine.

tim11
07-13-2008, 04:55 AM
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=316347&postcount=3

That's all the answers to your querie. :) Have a nice day.

pianoplayer88key
07-13-2008, 05:12 AM
Tim, I must have been editing my post as you posted that reply.

If you want something to really rat me out about........ my idea for the way things/prices/specs should be when comparing 2 otherwise similar SLR lenses is: for the same price & focal length, the non-IS version should have as many stops faster of a maximum aperture as the IS makes up for in the IS version. That seems to not be the case.... is a 3/4 or 1/2 difference more reasonable?

David Metsky
07-13-2008, 05:28 AM
You keep looking for a camera that takes the best of all available features on the market. This camera doesn't exist and won't exist; every camera is a compromise.

Here are your last few threads on the exact same subject:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39360
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33582
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29541
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24111
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22810

I don't think we'll be breaking any new ground with this thread.

tim11
07-13-2008, 05:36 AM
I won't waste my time reading what you type. And I don't give an F what you do with your time but all through these years you have been trying to waste valuable time of those who answered your silly questions. Since you are well aware of technical jargons and cameras offered in the market, surely you will know what camera to choose if you are genuine.

And those you are thinking of answering Piano questions. He will lead you no where so unless you have nothing to do... don't bother.

Rooz
07-13-2008, 05:47 AM
with the growing cost of fuel, i'd like a flying pig, preferabley in metallic blue. the pig should have cupholders which expand and contract to the size of my beverage. it should have air conditioning that instantly matches the temperature in the sth of france. its CD player should be able to read my mind and play the exact song i feel like lisening to in a nanosecond. it should have a crusinign altitude of 500ft to avoid traffic but enable me to enjoy the scenery and wave to landing aircraft.

it should be propelled by farts so there is no cost of running it which i believe would bring a humourous new meaning to the term "step on the gas." oh...and btw, did i mention that the farts should not stink.

lol this is one of my faves. just a few of the insane requests this guy comes up with. not asking for much...




Rotating LCD

AA batteries

I would like optical zoom to over 1000mm.

12.5mp F40 with a SuperCCD Foveon 1" sensor

at least ISO 6400 and I mean fairly clean and detailed at full resolution.

Oh, and did I mention the lens that starts at F/1.8 and maintains no slower than F/2.5 at least to 72mm in 35mm equivalency?

and all for the bargain basement price of...drumroll please.....


I'd like to pay no more than $700 total.

tim11
07-13-2008, 05:56 AM
Thanks for the reminder about forum conduct. Much appreciated. But Jeff should add no nonsense is allowed and repeated offender banned.

I haven't called anyone IDIOT.
I didn't look to start an argument.
I didn't insult anyone.

All I said was to cut the SH!TS.... ah no.. an offending word.. let's change that too cut the CRAPS.

pianoplayer88key
07-13-2008, 07:22 AM
Rooz, that post you're quoting is from way back when. What I say in a current post should override what I've said in previous posts, where conflicts arise. (For example, I'm willing to cut the desired telephoto from over 1000mm to about 500mm, and I've dropped the preference (a long time ago) that the camera be pocketable.) I still don't consider that a bargain-basement price, unless you're talking about a dSLR + lens kit.

tim11, I'll be honest... you may not have intended to insult me, but sometimes ppl don't realize how what they do/say affects others. Rest assured, though, that your use of the self-censored S word wasn't much (if any) of a factor. Neither was I looking to start an argument, which is what many of my threads seem to evolve into. :(
(So you saw my subtle reminder this time, by making some of the text in my reply a link to that aforementioned thread. ;))

tim11
07-13-2008, 02:20 PM
And when are you going to realise that what you are looking for simply doesn't exist?

It is our business to post rational replies to any thread posting in public forum whether you appreciate it or not.

To other members: you will be wasting your time trying to answer Piano's questions.