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Rooz
03-27-2008, 06:16 AM
ok, i've had the sigma for a while now and have recently had the pleasure of using the 105VR which i subsequently bought. There have been alot of questions about macro lens' in here and i've always recommended the sigma so i thought i'd give people a rundown of the tests i've been doing in numerous side by side comparisons so i can give people a better idea on the performance of these 2 lens' for macro work.

i'm not going to post any pics cos there's just too many of them, and quite frankly, i'm too lazy, so you'll just have to take my word on it. lol

AF speed: Nikkor wins by miles.
it's actually a very fast AF lens which surprised the hell outta me. its faster than the 50mm f1.8 which is pretty darn quick. thats amazing really considering all the glass in there and the fact that its a macro lens. especially if you manually focus first to get roundabout the point then use the AF, it locks on instantly. so this is can double as an ideal portrait lens while the sigma is just too cumbersome to use for that. the sigma takes a while, frustratingly so at some points. it feels sluggish and downright pedestrian by comparison.

AF accuracy: Nikkor hands down.
it just didnt miss a beat. even really low contrast items, it locks on almost every time. the sigma worked much better on my d300 than my d80 but still, not in the same league. this is particualrly evident using the extreme AF points. on say 50% of occasions in dim light or low contrast the sigma will hunt first.

Sharpness at small apertures: Even
couldn't pick any difference even at 100%. they are both amazingly sharp. however, if you are planning on using the 1.7tc then expect to lose a significant amount of sharpness. much more so than when i use the TC with the 70-200VR.

Sharpness at large apertures: Nikkor by a whisker
very marginal differences when viewed at 100% at f2.8, f4 and f5.6. but normal viewing, even 50% crops, no differences evident at all. TC result as above.

Contrast: Sigma by a country mile
one thing i've always loved about the sigma is its awesome contrast. it resoundingly smacks the nikkor's butt here. at every aperture the sigma is better and more vibrant. this is especially evident in crops, but even in full size, the sigma is noticeably more contrasty which personally, i like. this is really frustrating for me cos it means i will have to add astep in my PP with the nikkor where i never had to touch it with the sigma.

Colour: Even
the sigma's colours always appear more saturated and vivid, mainly due to the contrast i suspect. the nikkor's were neutral every time and more accurate. depending on the shot, one lens will outperform the other. for shots where the colour saturation is important the sigma is the winner. for shots where the colour accuracy is more improtant then the nikkor is nicer. an important thing to note here is that with the nikkor you can bump up your sauration and retain alot of detail in the colour, the sigmas contrasty nature sometimes removed all the detail in bold colours which you cant ever get back.

Lens Handling: Nikkor by miles
its just beautiful to use. MF ring is huge, its light enuf to handhold comfrotabley. it fits in the hand nicely and has perfect balance. the sigma has always felt a little clunky to use and i've never been really that comfortable shooting with it handheld. and of course, the nikkor has VR so its handholdability is increased again cos the VR works perfectly allowing you to get shots at insane shutter speeds that are still sharp. this is really useful, much more so than i expected...even with flash.

Build Quality: Nikkor by a decent margin
both very well built lens' but the nikon has the edge in finish and it just feels like it can never bust. the lens hood is also superb on the nikkor. it's just about as nice as the 70-200 and thats really saying something.

Manual Focus: Nikkor by a whisker.
the damping of the MF ring is just right making it easy to MF with one finger. the position of the MF ring, (due to the size of the lens i suspect), is right where you need it aswell. the sigma is a bit harder, is damped a little too much and you need to move your hands to MF just a tad which can make or break a shot.

Focal Length for bugs: Sigma by a good margin.
bit of a no-brainer. you can get much closer and the success rate is much higher for the sigma cos you dont need to be so close to fill the frame and get the shot.

Focal length for other stationary objects: Nikkor comfortabley.
again, a no brainer cos its lighter, smaller and more comfortable to use making flower shots etc easier and less taxing.

Bokeh: Sigma by a small margin
cos of its longer focal length you can get the nicer dof and can isolate particular items better by removing distracting backgrounds much easier and more effectively. the bokeh is just beautiful and creamy on the sigma, the nikkor is no slouch and given the right circusmtances its just as good but shot for shot, the sigmas bokeh was always just a nose in front.

so there you go, thats my review of both of them. i bought the nikkor cos i want 2 macro lens'. i want one for stationary stuff and its smaller size and weight will let me take it in my kit far more often. but for bugs i want a longer focal length. so i will be getting the nikkor 300mm f4 afs and using it with extension tubes for my bug shots and then selling the sigma.

hope you get something out of the review and it helps in any decisions you make. its hard to pick a winner here really, the nikor is certianly a better lens all round and wins in almost every respect; but its lack of contrast in comparison to the sigma and shorter focal length lets it down if its your only macro lens and you want to shoot bugs.

:)

Firedog28
03-27-2008, 07:39 AM
Rooz....Thanks for taking the time for the review(s). Since getting the D300 w/ the 18-200. I've missed the macro capabilities...I've balked at spending another $700-800 on a lens for close ups, but maybe it's time...Thanks again.

Jason25
03-27-2008, 01:44 PM
I definitely appreciate this post, as I've been considering a 100+mm macro in recent months.

XaiLo
03-27-2008, 06:29 PM
Thanks for the most excellent review. :)

cvicisso
03-27-2008, 08:30 PM
Rooz - great comparison! Thank you! I think the 105 is going to be my next lens.

Dread Pirate Roberts
03-28-2008, 03:36 AM
Thanks Rooz. Same as Firedog, down the track I'm going to want to blow some more cash on a general macro setup whether it's reverse rings, extension tubes or a lens and every bit of info you kindly post helps me and others out.

Prospero
03-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Thanks for posting the comparison, Rooz. Also, congratulations on getting the new lens.

I'm also looking at getting a 90-105mm macro lens some day, so this is very helpfull. By the way, how does the Nikkor compare to the tamron 90 you used to have?

Rooz
04-01-2008, 02:08 AM
both are a bit sharper than the tamron. both AF faster, both are easier to MF over-ride, both are IF which is a big advantage for bugs and both are built significantly better.

having said that the tammie is a cracker of a lens for its price. i loved it cos it was super, super light.

urfslam
04-03-2008, 01:12 AM
Rooz,
I'm bowing down at your feet. I've been priming my wife for a new lens for my birthday and I've been vacillating between those two lenses wondering if I would ever be able to decide in time. It looks like I'll be going for the Nikkor. Thanks for the clear information. Of course I was intrigued by your comment about having two micro lenses. Now that's something I haven't thought about. Maybe I'll get the Sigma 180mm micro in the future.

Urf

Dread Pirate Roberts
04-03-2008, 02:22 AM
I've just re-read your post and you mention the 300mm for standoff from the bugs. Standoff makes perfect sense.

What about the magnification using a non micro lens for bugs?

Am I looking at the right lens here ($1,100 USD):

Nikon Telephoto AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4D ED-IF
Filter Size 77mm
f/Stop Range 4-32
Minimum Focus Distance 4.8'
Magnification 1:3.7
Zoom/Focus Control Not applicable
Angle of View 8 Degrees
Groups/Elements 6/10
Tripod Collar Yes
Length 8.8"
Maximum Diameter 3.5"
Weight 3.10 lb
Usable Nikon Teleconverter TC-14E II (maintains autofocusing)
TC-20E II, TC-14b & TC-301 (both manual focus only)

achuang
04-03-2008, 03:06 AM
DPR, that's the lens Rooz is talking about using with extension tubes. If you're interested in dedicated telephoto macro lenses Nikon have the 200mm f4, and the 70-180mm. The 70-180 is the only zoom macro lens on the market.

Rooz
04-03-2008, 03:34 AM
yepp, as andrew said, thats the lens i just bought second hand. you dont even need extension tubes alot of the time for bugs with that lens actually. it has a really good MFD.

i rememeber i looked up that lens a long time ago and photozone had it down as only an above average performer in sharpness. after having used one though, i can tell you that its tack sharp and is a joy to use. i'll do a full review of it once i get a chance to really put it thru its paces. here is something to whet your appetitie though. this shot is 300mm+1.7tc, (510mm), with no tubes, just at MFD. see what i mean about "pseudo macro".

(yes i know its the same spider, same shot, this is to give you an idea of how it compares to the 105 and sigma 150mm.).

T06
04-03-2008, 05:06 AM
get out of your backyard & take some scenics.;)

ssil2000
04-03-2008, 05:42 AM
i reckon you should trade that d300 in for a d80... those lenses seem wasted on that body :P

Dread Pirate Roberts
04-03-2008, 09:23 PM
I see what you mean by the green cast previously. I really liked that and thought it was natural!

Thanks for the clarification on the lens.