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sparkie1263
02-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Barnegat Lighthouse and seals

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2255766540_6594410d43.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2255015167_3ccd9f7474.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2255015969_c8481dd750.jpg

scott630
02-10-2008, 12:53 PM
i like the picture of the light house, but what if you could make
the sky a darker blue. JMO so the light house would contrast the sky.
i just read an article about camera adjustment with pictures showing
of differences. of course their is also software. Don where are you?
(http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/camera-adjustments.htm)

sparkie1263
02-10-2008, 01:01 PM
I didn't try to fix in PS yet. i will try it and post it here.

DonSchap
02-10-2008, 07:12 PM
I goofed around with the seal ... just to try and make it more viewable ...

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Adjusted
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B&W Tone adjust & sharpening
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The light house is a little more ... challenging.

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sparkie1263
02-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Nice job Don. I tried to mess with the seals but only made them worse. I knew they were not very nice shots but they are not seen often around here. (not for me anyway)
Thanks
Frank

DonSchap
02-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Well, my most recent training for this was with my Color Management classes. They brought out some of the finer tools available with Photoshop CS3. It wasn't a deeply advanced introduction to the portions, but more of an exercise in different sharpening techniques and color enhancement.

Like anything, it helps when your instructor is one of the foremost investigative members of the teaching staff in this area of photography. She had experiences on a more "experimental" level ... which she often shared. It was not your common approach ... or anything I've read about in published material. White papers from Adobe, maybe ... but nothing most people would see in the average Photoshop classes, which as usually just basic exercises in use of the tools ... not advanced technique.

I hope you get something worthwhile from these examples.

sparkie1263
02-10-2008, 07:59 PM
I like seeing what can be done with all these fancy programs. I sit in front of this computer an open each program I have and never get much accomplished. I use AcDsee Pro the most. It seems easier how ever I still try to read and mess with CS3. This digital end of this hobby is new to me. My wife just today said how can you play with those pictures all day. One day I will learn. I have a friend who is good with CS3 but he lives an hour away and that is his job so I don't like to make him take his work home with him by letting him tutor me. As it is he prints all my pictures free of charge.

Thanks
Frank

DonSchap
02-10-2008, 08:22 PM
I messed with the second seal ... and added to the first posting. Let me know what you think.

You can go to Adobe and download a lots of technique papers concerning the use of photoshop, but taking a couple classes at the local college can often give a solid reference to work from.

One of the things you want to avoid is getting too involved in using PS to correct your camera work. Try and adjust the settings of the camera to reflect the common compensations you are seeing in your images by the use of Photoshop. There is no sense in constantly having to correct for the same problem, if you can get ahead of it.

What I am seeing your submissions seems to be a slight tendancy to underexpose your image. There are ways to commonly deal with this ... one being aperture, another is ISO and finally "brighter" glass. Shutter-speed is tricky, unless you have a tripod and static object (such as the lighthouse) that you are photographing. Anything below 1/60th tends to show movement and handshake, if you do not have image-stability.

Adding Image-stability, you can safely get to around 1/30th if you control your handheld positioning ... the point is ... when you meter .. you should try to get it just to the right of the zero. You can always darken your shot ... at the computer through "Lightroom" or "Photoshop."

sparkie1263
02-10-2008, 09:16 PM
My try at PS what do you think?? I used curves and adjusted the brightness.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2256478875_18467699bd.jpg

DonSchap
02-11-2008, 01:07 AM
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You can draw some comparisons, yourself, here ... you were there, so the color of the seal is important. My interpretation has a significantly large amount of cyan in it. Yours has more red and yellow to it ...

So ... what did YOU actually see? That helps in deciding these kind of issues. Is the seal brown or grey?

sparkie1263
02-11-2008, 05:19 AM
It was grey lol I was just happy to be able to clear it up. But if it was brown then how did I do ??? LOL

DonSchap
02-11-2008, 07:37 AM
I gave this issue some thought, last night, after seeing your image.

I have spent a few bucks getting my camera/computer/printer color managed, so that what I see on my camera is what I see on my computer and is what I finally print out ... if everything is working properly. I use a tool called a spectrophotometer, which careful measures the display screen and the print out color and keeps it continually in alignment with a bi-weekly recalibration.

So ... I kind of knew the seal's true color by knowing what my computer was displaying from your original shot. I asked to confirm the color because in order for that "brown" color to happen from the camera, something would have to be seriously messed up in the sensor's processed image ... in the camera. Either the color variables have been changed, filters applied or other issues would be involved. If a "camera reset" did not clear it up, I would have suggested you take the camera back for repair.

In other words, your camera should be reproducing the colors it sees. Now, after post processing, anything is possible (you could theorectically turn the seal "red") ...

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but if the camera is shooting true ... when White Balance is compensated for, that seal should be as "gray" as the light reflecting off it.

Brown is YOUR color of choice, not the camera's. He kind of looks like an oversized otter.

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sparkie1263
02-11-2008, 01:12 PM
Nice otter, I have seen a few around here but that was before I had this camera. I left without my camera and as I was driving by one of the roads near the bay there was a blue heron in the water. Maybe next time.