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joe_bloggs
02-05-2008, 05:12 AM
What do people think of the A200 sample photos posted in the dcresource gallery? They seem really blurry to my eyes, even compared to its predecessor the A100. Could it be a kit lens issue?

Here's the Chinatown pic, as a good example:

A200

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sony/dslr_a200-review/DSC00009.JPG

A100

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sony/dslr_a100-review/DSC00003.JPG

Pentax K100D

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pentax/k100d-review/IMGP0028.JPG

Nikon D40

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/nikon/d40-review/DSC_0070.JPG

DonSchap
02-05-2008, 09:35 AM
I recently took a crack at evaluating the SONY DT 18-70mm 3.5-5.6 versus the TAMRON SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di-II LD and after comparing the two directly on the α700 ... the sharpness loss is so apparent in the 18-70mm, I simply refuse to use it in my photography.

Therefore, if this image is being shot through a DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 kit lens, I am certainly NOT surprised it looks soft. In my opinion (because I've had the displeasure of doing this twice, now and YMMV*), the first thing you do with a "kit lens" is make sure the camera works ... the second thing to do is you immediately remove it from the camera and place it way to the rear of your "glass" shelf. Lastly, you go out and buy a "real" zoom lens from either a third party or the carmera's manufacturer (see list below for some ideas) and, please, do not look back.

No matter what SONY DSLR camera you put this lens on (α100, α200, α300, α350, or α700), you simply cannot make it work better than it does.

At worst, consider it an "emergency lens" ... and that's only AFTER the asteroid strike ...

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and half of the world has been destroyed. :rolleyes:

Cripes, I really condemned that one, didn't I? Well, I have one .. and its IQ is poor, in my opinion. If you have NOTHING else ... then get off your dead rump and buy something! @%&#

I mean, I really have to ask: "Why in blazes are you even bothering to take images with a DSLR camera body, if this is what you are using?" You can do so much better ... just cough up the change for a decent optic. "Free" or "included" does not mean good. You'll get something that will operate on the front of your camera ... but, when you inspect the results ... you'll begin to fully understand why they give it away. Believe it.


* YMMV - "Your mileage my vary", but I really doubt it. :(

LIST of much better glass:

SONY SAL-1680Z - Carl Zeiss® Vario-Sonnar T* DT 16-80mm f/3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens <- pricey!
TAMRON SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di-II LD Aspherical <- reasonable cost
SIGMA AF 18-50mm f2.8 EX DC Macro HSM <- lowest cost

raven15
02-05-2008, 11:22 AM
I was a little disappointed. I am considering purchase of a DSLR and the Sony a200 was one of my leading contenders. Fortunately my plans didn't involve the kit lens, but I was hoping to at least use it occasionally. I would as soon not pay an extra $100 for that. In fact, it is a very convincing argument for buying a Canon A720 IS over the A200 (at least with that lens). I also noticed quite a few blown highlights, there are work arounds for those, but still...

So, I am waiting for the full review, and the one on dpreview which wouldn't use the kit lens.

erichlund
02-05-2008, 12:16 PM
I was a little disappointed. I am considering purchase of a DSLR and the Sony a200 was one of my leading contenders. Fortunately my plans didn't involve the kit lens, but I was hoping to at least use it occasionally. I would as soon not pay an extra $100 for that. In fact, it is a very convincing argument for buying a Canon A720 IS over the A200 (at least with that lens). I also noticed quite a few blown highlights, there are work arounds for those, but still...

So, I am waiting for the full review, and the one on dpreview which wouldn't use the kit lens.

Blown highlights are the fault of the photographer, not the camera.

DonSchap
02-05-2008, 06:19 PM
In a series of duplicatable candids ...

I decided to shot the box ... with both the SONY 18-70mm & the TAMRON 17-50mm

The shots were done with the α700, in manual, at the following settings: 50mm - f/5.6 - 1/60 sec - ISO-400 WB = "flash" -1, using the pop-up flash (so no funny stuff) :cool: Honestly, just a pair of candids you can do yourself, at the store.

I'm bracketing the crops with their respective overall shots.
SONY 17-80mm
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SONY 17-80mm crop
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(Picture in picture ... pretty funny, huh? Ah, go on with ya!)
TAMRON 17-50mm crop
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TAMRON 17-50mm
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Remember, this is shot a minmum focus distance ... 15 inches, so it is about as sharp as you can get with these lenses. Even this close ... the TAMRON just slaps the horse-snot out of the SONY. :p When I'm shooting ... I want it sharp. Try as it will, the SONY 18-70 cannot deliver it. Everything will always have the annoying fuzzy aspect (focus softening) to it. Drove me to ... plastic!

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joe_bloggs
02-06-2008, 02:11 AM
So what you're basically saying is that potential customers of the A200 should budget for a $400 third-party lens as the kit one is a POS? Think this might affect sales somewhat, considering that the output from the competitors' kit lenses, if that example I posted above is anything to go by, is far superior to Sony's.

DonSchap
02-06-2008, 05:51 AM
You would do better with a 18-250 lens, if a true "kit" is what you want. Just stay away from wasting any money or images trying to use the 18-70mm ... I would have sent mine back, if I felt I'd get my money back. It's effectively a "freebie" ...

and chosing the camera body based one "freebie" lens is a major mistake.

You can easily correct a lens problem ... YOU CHANGE IT ... but, you are still stuck with whatever the camera body was that you bought, so buy a quality rig. My suggestion is: If you are in the camera store, already, is to mount their best lens for each camera body and try it out that way. Eliminate the "bad" glass altogether. I mean you're not BUYING the "great" lens, but at least you will have selected the "primo" body based on it and you can save up for better glass to mount on it, later.

Get the best (most capable) camera you can ... and buy GOOD GLASS to put on it. It's really just that simple. :cool:

Good luck :D

Hey, remember: This is a forum ... were not making a dime off this. We just want better images. ;) :D :cool:

tidger
05-27-2009, 07:09 AM
Do people still think its worth buying the A200K? Its really come down in price now in the UK but does that suggest its outdated? - A200K best prices (http://www.prudentpanda.co.uk/c32/b1589/p22795/sony-a200k/best-price.aspx)

laydros
05-27-2009, 07:58 AM
So what you're basically saying is that potential customers of the A200 should budget for a $400 third-party lens as the kit one is a POS? Think this might affect sales somewhat, considering that the output from the competitors' kit lenses, if that example I posted above is anything to go by, is far superior to Sony's.

Not anymore. The competition's kit lenses used to stink too. Only in the past year or so have Canon and Nikon released the EF-S 18-55IS, and Nikon the 18-55VR. Their prior lenses were as bad as the Sony 18-70, which at least got you a bit more range and IS. But Sony's new 18-55 looks to be much better. Probably still not as good as the Tamron, but useful. My Sony P&S with Carl Zeiss optics took MUCH better images than my $600 A300 with kit lens.

This would probably be the best use for the Sony 18-70 once you have used it to make sure the camera functions:

http://samboyko.com/files/fm/17855.jpg (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/694090)

Peekayoh
05-27-2009, 09:10 AM
Do people still think its worth buying the A200K? Its really come down in price now in the UK but does that suggest its outdated? - A200K best prices (http://www.prudentpanda.co.uk/c32/b1589/p22795/sony-a200k/best-price.aspx)

Whichever body you buy, you can be sure that you will spend a lot more on lenses.
You will soon become disillusioned with 18-70 kit lens that comes with the A200.
For a comparison between this lens and the new 18-55 kit lens see here
http://artaphot.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=175&Itemid=43

Add the cost of the 18-55 to the A200+kit and you're not far off the price for the new A230 that already has the new 18-55. £478 at WE
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/product/default.aspx?sku=1032017

DonSchap
05-27-2009, 10:55 AM
Man ... this really put it on the line ... sometimes ... I even surprise myself! :D I mean look at the number of views on this post ... 3700+! Wow! :eek: Aside from the POTD and the "sticky" ... this is the 17th MOST POPULAR viewed thread in the forum. Unbelievable ... and with only ten responses.

seanhoxx
05-27-2009, 02:07 PM
Also the A200 is NO longer listed on the Sony style web site.

DonSchap
05-27-2009, 02:24 PM
It actually had a shorter lifespan than the A100! LOL It's tough to see the children drop sooner than the parent ...

Rooz
05-27-2009, 04:47 PM
Man ... this really put it on the line ... sometimes ... I even surprise myself! :D I mean look at the number of views on this post ... 3700+! Wow! :eek: Aside from the POTD and the "sticky" ... this is the 17th MOST POPULAR viewed thread in the forum. Unbelievable ... and with only ten responses.

i'd say that has to do with the title. "a200 samples" wold be a pretty common google search for anyone looking to buy that camera.

dr4gon
05-27-2009, 07:20 PM
The A200 and the A300 are the same camera and I don't really see the A300 lacking in terms of sharpness in image quality. Sharpness is derived from the lens used.

jimr-pdx
05-27-2009, 09:15 PM
My 18-70 actually outperformed a Sigma 18-125 lens on vignetting and sharpness tests - so I sent that one back. The 18-70 is not a great lens, and the bokeh made stained-glass effects out of many backgrounds.. but in one case I found it worth keeping. Where is it now? Ask one of the used dealers, I dumped it + two other lenses for an 18-250 :)
And it's sad to see the A200 go so fast.. it has a dedicated following.

KCook
10-01-2009, 11:23 PM
Well the nice thing about the A200 being closed out, were the closeout prices :D

I just put up a little landscape study -

http://needsabeach.com/Albums/CityPark/

Carry on,
Kelly Cook

tidger
01-10-2011, 03:36 AM
Now that the A200 has gone theres still some good voucher codes available these days to get discounts on other Sony Digital Camera (http://www.prudentpanda.co.uk/c32b1589/sony.html)....worth a look ;-)

SONYNUT
01-10-2011, 04:47 AM
pick up a zeiss 24-70mm 2.8 :D

Peekayoh
01-10-2011, 05:23 AM
The Lazarus effect!!!