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003
01-01-2008, 03:17 PM
I need to get a digital camera for my family today, as in, I really need to place the order today so I really need some advice because I'm totally lost. I've tried asking on different forums who's primary focus was not photography and everybody seemed to have their own suggestion, which just made picking one out harder.

And the thing was, I looked up reviews of pretty much every camera that was suggested, and each one seemed to have at least one major glaring fault pointed out in the review. Of course the things pointed out are probably things I would never have noticed had I not read the reviews, so.... I'm more lost than when I started out so let me get right to answering that questionnaire.

Budget:
$300 give or take.

Size:
Doesn't really matter.

Features:
Heck, a maximum of 1600x1200 size pictures would suffice, as long as they are good quality. Of course I know that most cameras now a days can take much, much larger shots, so pretty much anything will work. Standard optical zoom would be nice. Now I know that digital zoom is a gimmick because it pixelates the image, so the more optical zoom the better, but I don't think it is a huge necessity. Image quality is pretty important. I want to say 7.5 or 8 out of 10, so I want to get the best I can for my price limit, and still have the other things I specify. I might be willing to buy used to get an acceptable price on an otherwise more expensive camera, but keep in mind, unless there is an active deal like right now, that probably wouldn't be an option. I'm not to sure what manual controls are.

General Usage:
The camera will typically be used for family pictures. I can't really say if it will be more inside or outside, or more dim vs bright lighting, so it should be decent under all or most of these conditions. I don't think big prints would be made, no bigger than 8.5" x 11" photo paper I would say. I would say it will much more often than not be shooting pictures of things that are still, or things that will "pose" for you. Maybe the occasional moving photo, like a pet or something, but I want most of the quality to be focused on still photos. This is not to say the occasional photo of something that won't pose should be bad, though.

Miscellaneous:
I don't want a camera that will feel cheap, like it will break if you hold it the wrong way. I hate modern electronics that feel like they are going to snap in half on a whim. It should be relatively easy to learn and use, as people like my mother are pretty electronics-illiterate. I am not aware of any special features that would be needed.

Thanks in advance for your input! Since I am guessing that I am going to get recommendations for more than one camera, please briefly describe why you are recommending what you are.

AndyfromVA
01-01-2008, 07:36 PM
I recommend the Panasonic TZ3. It doesn't have manual controls, it's not great in any one area but it does everything pretty well. It has optical image stabilization which will give you nice looking portraits without camera shake.

Here are some sample photos.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/panasonic/lumix_dmc_tz3

003
01-01-2008, 08:30 PM
It looks like a decent camera, does anybody else have a suggestion or something to say about the TZ3?

fotogmarc
01-01-2008, 08:46 PM
Buy it, fast!

003
01-01-2008, 10:39 PM
Thanks I will probably get it, but it will be tomorrow unfortunately. Anyway can anybody confirm that it will work with a 64-bit operating system? Specifically, Windows XP x64. I went to Panasonic's website and they don't seem to have any drivers at all for it, for any OS. Does it work just like a flash drive, you plug it into the USB port and it acts like a removable drive?

qmoon
01-02-2008, 03:32 AM
Not sure what you're asking, but I plug my TZ3 into my PC with a usb cable and upload my pictures like that. I have windows XP, but don't know what 64bit is.

I love my TZ3 and it really is a great little all purpose camera.

David Metsky
01-02-2008, 07:22 AM
Yes, the camera will look like an external drive to the PC.

I'd look at the Canon A570. It's a simple but full featured camera with IS, and optical viewfinder, nice movie mode, and excellent image quality. It also has full manual controls should you decide to take advantage of them someday -- all for about $170.

It doesn't have the 10x zoom of the TZ3 but it will be slightly better in lower light.

003
01-02-2008, 09:26 AM
Uh oh now I don't know what to get again :(

AndyfromVA
01-02-2008, 10:18 AM
Uh oh now I don't know what to get again :(

The A570IS is about $75 less than the TZ3. It also takes nice pictures.

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/powershot_a570_is

Either way, you'll wind up with an excellent camera.

003
01-02-2008, 11:36 AM
Other than zoom is there anything the TZ3 does better than the canon?

AndyfromVA
01-02-2008, 11:48 AM
Other than zoom is there anything the TZ3 does better than the canon?

The TZ3 has a wider wide-angle lens (28mm) compared to the A570 (35mm). The TZ3 also has a larger LCD screen (3") vs the A570 (2.5") with better resolution (230,000 pixels vs 115,000 pixels). The A570 has manual control over aperture and shutter speed and an optical viewfinder, which the TZ3 doesn't have.

003
01-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Is the picture quality of the canon better overall in all the situations I specified in the first post?

EDIT:
Does the A570 not have rechargeable batteries?

AndyfromVA
01-02-2008, 01:09 PM
Picture quality is a subjective thing. There is definitely a "Canon" color and a "Panasonic" color. Most people find both to be good.

The A570IS uses AA batteries - either alkaline, lithium or rechargeable NiMH. The TZ3 uses a proprietary, rechargeable lithium battery.

David Metsky
01-02-2008, 02:46 PM
You'll want to buy NiMH rechargeables for the A570, but they're fairly cheap and will last much longer then Alkalines.

I agree that Image Quality is subjective. IMO the A570 (or the A720 with 6x zoom) will have slightly better IQ then the TZ3; the TZ3 will allow you to get some shots that you can't get with the A570 or 720.

The 720 is about $40 more, but gives you more zoom.

003
01-02-2008, 03:51 PM
Is anything sacrificed with in the 720 for more zoom or is everything else pretty much the same? When you say the TZ3 will be able to get shots that 5/720 can't, that is just because of the wide angle lens on the TZ3, right?

If I get rechargeable NiMH batteries for the canon, will I be able to charge them while still in the camera or will they have to come out? Either way can you link me to a good set of rechargeables that will work in the canon?

Personally I thought the shots taken with the canon looked a little better than those of the TZ3 but I thought the TZ3 would be better because of the significantly higher price.

David Metsky
01-02-2008, 04:10 PM
There are no real disadvantages of the A720 vs the A570 except for a slightly higher price. Since they both fall in your budget, I think the A720 makes more sense.

You can't charge the batteries in the camera, but that's a good thing. :) I'd buy a set of four AAs and you'll always have a backup set when you're out shooting. Take a look at Thomas Distributing (http://www.thomas-distributing.com/index.htm) for good deals on batteries and chargers. I like my Maha charger I bought 4 years ago, there may be better deals on the market.

The wide angle lens and bigger zoom (280mm) of the TZ3 is very nice. But for a general purpose camera I prefer the AAs, optical view finder, and manual controls of the A720.

photography555
01-02-2008, 05:12 PM
I hate to confuse you any more, but what about the Canon SX100 IS? It's better than the TZ3 in almost every way except for wide angle and screen size.
It would seem that the SX100 IS has a better processor than the A570 and A720, because from the sample images I've seen, it's lower light shots are even better.

I don't particularly care for the way Panasonic handles image noise-they just blur out noise and detail.

I had bought the A720, but returned it for problems with the viewfinder. As I said in another thread, there were times when I couldn't zoom in far enough.

EddieRock
01-02-2008, 08:21 PM
Here is a side by side comparison...

I like the Panasonic because it has superior lens (Leica).

This URL below is a link to the compare feature at the site DPReview[dot]com

http://tinyurl.com/yse7oj

Now you can see them both on the same page.

Good luck!

regretal
01-02-2008, 08:45 PM
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/powershot_a570_is[/url]



oh my not bad for a compact

003
01-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Now it's between the TZ3, A720, and the Canon SX100 IS. I have no idea what to get between these, they all look decent, and I am so lost!! :(

photography555
01-03-2008, 10:10 AM
You can compare sample images at imaging-resource.com.

Ray Schnoor
01-03-2008, 10:20 AM
I recently purchased a Canon A720IS for my wife. She seems to be very happy with it.

Ray.

003
01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Ok I think I will just go for the A720 because.