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rawpaw18
10-25-2007, 04:54 AM
Check out this link on you tube, I have never seen a camera shoot that fast before. Wow! just wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz7TcYNib1k
K1W1
10-25-2007, 05:58 AM
D300 at 6fps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RFBdglGzv0)
TheObiJuan
10-25-2007, 06:15 AM
I got spoiled with the ol' 1DMkII at 8.5fps. :p
The 1DMkIII shoots at 10 fps!!:eek:
That's super freakin' fast.

I'm good with 5fps right now. There are instances where more frames would be great, but I don't need to spare the expense.

The D3 looks and sounds just damn sexy.
K1W1
10-25-2007, 06:29 AM
I've just done some quick, probably inaccurate maths.

Camera in FX mode @ 9fps
Soccer game = 25 minutes per half

Anybody know where I can get a supply of 160GB CF cards so I can capture ALL the action? I will need at least two per game. :)
cvicisso
10-25-2007, 06:50 AM
Am I correct in thinking that the camera is not correcting focus at that max frame rate - it's just blasting away, mirror flapping like a hummingbird? Therefore, if you're shooting a moving target (kids playing soccer) and are using a relatively shallow depth of field (large aperture), your first few shots might be in focus, but then... you're just capturing fuzzy images - but very, very quickly! :D
VTEC_EATER
10-25-2007, 08:06 AM
Am I correct in thinking that the camera is not correcting focus at that max frame rate - it's just blasting away, mirror flapping like a hummingbird? Therefore, if you're shooting a moving target (kids playing soccer) and are using a relatively shallow depth of field (large aperture), your first few shots might be in focus, but then... you're just capturing fuzzy images - but very, very quickly! :D

Nope, It should be adjusting focus and tracking as well at those speeds. Apparently at 11 fps in "DX" mode it loses its "tracking" capabilities. But if your aperture is small enough, as in really good sunlight, then there shouldn't be any problems. I dont see too many people moving up to 11 fps, mostly because if the loss in resolution (12mp vs 5mp), but if they need it, its there. Just like ISO 25600. Its not the cleanest of images, and most people will probably not use it, but its there if you need the shot.
Prospero
10-25-2007, 08:13 AM
I've just done some quick, probably inaccurate maths.

Camera in FX mode @ 9fps
Soccer game = 25 minutes per half

Anybody know where I can get a supply of 160GB CF cards so I can capture ALL the action? I will need at least two per game. :)

LOL.. Don't forget to shoot the game with a wide angle lens, to make sure that you don't miss action due to wrong framing... :)
cvicisso
10-25-2007, 09:12 AM
Nope, It should be adjusting focus and tracking as well at those speeds. Wow. :eek: I don't understand how that's physically possible, but if true, then the D3 is truly even more amazing than I previously thought (and I was already in awe!).
tcadwall
10-25-2007, 12:25 PM
One thing I am interested in regarding these numbers.... Say you are shooting at 9fps, is the aperture flapping as well? Or does that stay stopped down? IOW I understand AF to work by opening the aperture to gain focus and stopping down just before the shutter release. I am not sure if this happening in continuous mode though. I am thinking that the aperture would remain stopped down. Therefore, if the lighting is at all questionable for the dof that you are trying to achieve then you probably won't maintain spot on focus... of course, most of the time if the lighting is at all questionable shutter speed outweighs dof on the priority list.
VTEC_EATER
10-25-2007, 02:32 PM
It would depend on what mode you are shoot in. Im manual, aperture and shutter speeds would obviously remain the same. That is unless you are really fast with the dials ;).

In Aperture priority, the aperture would stay the same, and shutter speed would change. In shutter priority, the aperture would change.

I guess this means that aperture diaphragms must be built just that much stronger and with tighter tolerance so they don't fail "prematurely".
tcadwall
10-25-2007, 03:17 PM
VTEC....?!?!?:confused:

Maybe I wasn't clear... Or maybe my brain isn't decyphering your post clearly...

The way I understand AF to work on a DSLR is that the aperture is wide open until you press the shutter release. Focus is done during the time that the aperture is wide open and the largest amount of light is hitting the AF / metering sensors. For illustration lets assume you are in manual mode and nothing is changing except the focal plane. Each time you release the shutter the aperture stops down to the value that you have set it at (this can also happen by itself if your camera has a DOF preview button) and then the mirror flips up, the shutter opens and closes, the mirror flips down, and the aperture opens. Ok, maybe the aperture opens at the same time or before the mirror flips up.... But something along those lines is happening.

When you shoot in continuous mode, with continuous focus, is the AF operating (best it can) with the aperture still stopped at the selected value, or is the aperture cycling for every frame (shutter release)? The last sentence of your post, is really where I was going with this question.... Does continuous focus, 9fps beat the heck out of your aperture or does the camera save wear on the aperture by keeping the stop value and trying to mitigate focus with less light, more dof?
K1W1
10-25-2007, 03:34 PM
I've just done some more bad maths.

9fps
50 minutes
27,000 shutter releases.

I'm going to be up for a new D3 every 4 Soccer games. :confused::confused:
TheObiJuan
10-25-2007, 04:13 PM
I've just done some more bad maths.

9fps
50 minutes
27,000 shutter releases.

I'm going to be up for a new D3 every 4 Soccer games. :confused::confused:

I'm confused with why you need a DSLR when it's a video camera you're looking for.
There really isn't any skill in capturing everything in the scene at all moments ad deleting 99% of what's there.

Unless your comments are in jest. :confused:
Rooz
10-25-2007, 04:24 PM
lol considering the ergonomics of canon cameras you'd think that they'd have a far greater sense of humour. :p;)
XaiLo
10-25-2007, 05:23 PM
Rooz, lmao. as always thanks. :D
VTEC_EATER
10-25-2007, 05:54 PM
The last sentence of your post, is really where I was going with this question.... Does continuous focus, 9fps beat the heck out of your aperture or does the camera save wear on the aperture by keeping the stop value and trying to mitigate focus with less light, more dof?

Yeah, perhaps I typed before I thought about it. I would say that no matter what lens (autofocus only) you are using, its aperture blades are going to get one hell of a beating at 9 fps. Even if you were in full manual, or aperture priority, the aperture needs to open fully to get proper autofocus. At least in these two settings you are controlling where the aperture stops. In shutter priority, the aperture would be constantly adjusting. My guess is that this doesnt matter to much to the lens. The aperture blades have to open and close every cycle anyways (unless you shoot wide open).

Whatever the case, I still stand by my comment that new lenses will have to be built better and with tighter tolerances to withstand the beatings they are about to receive.
K1W1
10-25-2007, 06:08 PM
Yeah, perhaps I typed before I thought about it. I would say that no matter what lens (autofocus only) you are using, its aperture blades are going to get one hell of a beating at 9 fps.


Oh no!
Don't tell me I'm going to need a new 70-200 f2.8 VR every four games as well. :confused::confused:

Note: THIS IS A JOKE AND I KNOW THAT I AM YELLING LOUDLY. :D
VTEC_EATER
10-26-2007, 07:29 AM
Oh no!
Don't tell me I'm going to need a new 70-200 f2.8 VR every four games as well. :confused::confused:

As I know you have been joking from the beginning, I am still going to comment on this line so others are not fooled by your tom-foolery.

As I said earlier, I can only hope that new lenses being manufactured by Nikon are built stronger and with better tolerances from the factory. This especially goes for the "G" lenses without the Aperture ring on them. Every shutter click these aperture blades snap open and closed (if you aren't shooting wide open). At least with a non "G" lens you could stop the lens down and shoot in manual without fear of stressing your lens.

In any case, these faster cameras should only encourage Nikon to produce more AF-S lenses, especially in their short primes sector. Maybe they become "G" lenses in the process. I personally don't care if they are "G" lenses or not. I know some people do. But at any rate, Nikon, where are the AF-S primes???

See how I changed the subject like that. Nice.;)
rawpaw18
10-26-2007, 02:44 PM
V here are some rumored lenses, prime afs for the pma
http://www.nikonwatch.com/ just scroll down.

Richard thanks for the link for the D300, not as impresive as the D3 since I watched the D3 first, I guess I will have to add the grip and pick up a couple more fps, 8 should be pretty sweet.
Prospero
10-26-2007, 03:44 PM
V here are some rumored lenses, prime afs for the pma
http://www.nikonwatch.com/ just scroll down.

Richard thanks for the link for the D300, not as impresive as the D3 since I watched the D3 first, I guess I will have to add the grip and pick up a couple more fps, 8 should be pretty sweet.

They better not release an af-s 50 f/1.8 anytime soon... I just bought my 50 and I don't want to be forced to upgrade it yet :D

As to the f/1.4 primes listed on that website; I probably cannot afford any of them... :(

About the concern of the durability of apperture blades; I doubt there is much reason for concern. The blades can move very smoothly and you are moving very little mass (so no damage due to inertia).
The apperture control thing (I don't know what to call it) on the back of the lens moves only a very small distance, the difference between wide open and fully closed is relatively small. So, even if you were to shoot 9 frames per second at f/22, I doubt it will give all that much of a beating to the blades.