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yewsef
10-16-2007, 12:50 AM
Greetings,

I was wondering if it's possible to have a list of "Must Have" lenses for everyone to look forward to. The criteria of the list is Quality of Picture versus Price which equals Value. Quality/Price=Value. I want you guys to help me create a list that covers all sorts of lenses(wide, fisheye, macro..etc). Just a nice reference for everyone who's considering buying a new lens.

I will edit the first post to add the lenses you guys think must be listed here. Remember, the lens must be #1 of its kind(like, best wide angle lens for Nikon Cameras in general). I know its all a debate, but at least we can agree about a few that we'll list and let the reader decide.

Maybe we can sticky it too if the post proves successful :D

e_dawg
10-16-2007, 01:25 AM
Here's my list:

Superwide Zoom
Sigma 10-20

Mid Zoom
Sigma 18-50/2.8 HSM

Super Zoom
Nikon 18-200/VR
Nikon 18-135

Tele Zoom
Nikon 55-200/VR

Super Tele Zoom
Nikon 70-300/VR

WA Prime
???

Normal Prime
Nikon 35/2

Portrait Prime
Nikon 85/1.4

Macro Prime
Sigma 70/2.8
Tamron 90/2.8 (portrait / macro)

Telephoto Prime
Sigma 150/2.8 Macro HSM (2 in 1 lens, as it excels as a macro too)

Super Tele Prime
???

K1W1
10-16-2007, 02:11 AM
Well I guess that's 9/10 of the list. Now we get the pregnant pause while we all think about the next topic of conversation. :D:D

Prospero
10-16-2007, 04:08 AM
If I had a lot of cash I would get:

- Nikon 14-24 f/2.8
- Nikon 24-70 f/2.8
- Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 35 f/2
- Nikon 50 f/1.4
- Nikon 85 f/1.4
- Nikon 105 f/2.8 VR Macro
- Nikon 200 f/4 Macro
- Nikon 200 f/2 VR
- Nikon 300 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 400 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 600 f/2.8 VR

And a D3 with that :D

So, how much do kidneys go for these days...:D

achuang
10-16-2007, 04:45 AM
If I had a lot of cash I would get:

- Nikon 14-24 f/2.8
- Nikon 24-70 f/2.8
- Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 35 f/2
- Nikon 50 f/1.4
- Nikon 85 f/1.4
- Nikon 105 f/2.8 VR Macro
- Nikon 200 f/4 Macro
- Nikon 200 f/2 VR
- Nikon 300 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 400 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 600 f/2.8 VR

And a D3 with that :D

So, how much do kidneys go for these days...:D

I'd get exactly the same thing except for the Nikkor 14-24 f/2.8 because it doesn't take filters. I'd choose the Nikkor 17-35 f/2.8 instead. I know it isn't as wide, but it is lighter, smaller and takes filters.

rawpaw18
10-16-2007, 04:47 AM
I added it up, you might have to sell both kidneys, could be a problem.
You do get the student discount though. Did not see a 600 f2.8, so I went
with the f4 to save you some money.


If I had a lot of cash I would get:

- Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 $1800
- Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 $1700
- Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR $1625
- Nikon 35 f/2 $320
- Nikon 50 f/1.4 $285
- Nikon 85 f/1.4 $1025
- Nikon 105 f/2.8 VR Macro $760
- Nikon 200 f/4 Macro $1340
- Nikon 200 f/2 VR $4000
- Nikon 300 f/2.8 VR $4500
- Nikon 400 f/2.8 VR $8800
- Nikon 600 f/4 VR $9500

-D3 $5000

Total kit US $36,155

So, how much do kidneys go for these days...:D

K1W1
10-16-2007, 04:58 AM
Total kit US $36,155

Ah no!

Flashes
Filters
Media
Tripods
Carry bags
Storage boxes
New room on the house as an "office" for photography
Computers
Hard drive arrays
Software
Printers
Larger vehicle
Several assistants to carry gear
Wages


Methinks that you are several hundred thousand dollars short on your budget!

Oh, I forgot one more thing.

Cost of divorce.

Turn
10-16-2007, 05:37 AM
And what about lenses for Canon?

David Metsky
10-16-2007, 07:57 AM
And what about lenses for Canon?
Perhaps a thread in the Canon forum would get more responses to this question.

e_dawg
10-16-2007, 08:05 AM
Canon? Don't know their lenses too well, but I would probably want...

17-40/4 L
10-22
70-200/4L IS
100/2
24/1.4L

Gintaras
10-16-2007, 08:52 AM
PLEASE Nikonians excuse me!!!

Canon list of lenses for 1,6 crop sensor could be similar:

EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5
EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS
or EF 24-70/2.8 (EF means you must x 1.6 crop factor to see what focal lenght)
EF 70-200/2.8 L IS
or cheaper EF 70-200/4L IS (very sharp lens, some say this is sharper than 2.8 IS version).

Primes:
EF 24/1.4L
EF 35L/1.4L
EF 50L/1.2L
EF 85L/1.2L
EF 300/2.8L IS
EF 600/4L IS

L means pro-grade, IS means Image Stabilization, EF-S means lens designed for crop sensor, EF means FF lenses.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=148

at the end you want to ask your bank what they think cause buying all those lenses is like buying a new car. And same goes for Nikon whose lenses are more expensive sometimes than Canon. At the end of the day having DSLR is an expensive hobby.

Of course Canon offers some cheaper versions which are nice too, like 50/1.4 or 85/1.8 both excellent. Of zooms EF 28-105 II USM or 28-135 IS USM or EF-S 17-85 IS (not best but some say it is not as bad either).

If seriously I would settle for 10-22 and 70-200 (either F4 or 2.8 IS versions)... then later add standard zoom 17-55/2.8 IS or a narrower 24-70/2.8 in case you do not mind missing a 24-38 range. I actually found a merchant from HK who told me they can deliver my set (3 brand new lenses) for a good price plus cheaper shipping (may be I get even no charge for shipping, we will see). You just need check Ebay where you find interesting offers from time to time.

BUT in the absence of all those goddies WHY NOT just use kit lenses, which seem to be better than many think. Even Canon's cheapo delivers goods when you know how to handle... not mention good kit lens of Nikon. So before throwing money it makes sense to exploit kit lenses and get the idea of what you need then.

Sole Shooter
10-16-2007, 09:33 AM
If I had a lot of cash I would get:

- Nikon 14-24 f/2.8
- Nikon 24-70 f/2.8
- Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 35 f/2
- Nikon 50 f/1.4
- Nikon 85 f/1.4
- Nikon 105 f/2.8 VR Macro
- Nikon 200 f/4 Macro
- Nikon 200 f/2 VR
- Nikon 300 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 400 f/2.8 VR
- Nikon 600 f/2.8 VR

And a D3 with that :D

So, how much do kidneys go for these days...:D

That's the thing, the OP said Quality/Price. So, your list may be in another league.

Anyway, my list would include the "Bigma" 50-500 and Sigma 100-300 f/4 w/ T.C. 1.4x in addition to the ones already listed by e-dawg.

Jason25
10-16-2007, 10:58 AM
The biggest bang for buck I get out of my kit by far is my 55mm f/3.5 Ai Micro-Nikkor. Stellar images, especially for the paltry $55 shipped I paid for it. I think I like it even more than my 50/1.8.

The Sigma 100-300/4 is said to be a fantastic lens for the price, which I've been considering picking up. Sigma's 30/1.4 is also supposed to be a performer at it's price.

If money's not an object:
D3
16/2.8 fish
17-35/2.8
24-70/2.8
200/2 VR
105/2.8 VR micro

If I were a Canon shooter:
5D
16-35L
24-70L
70-200/4L IS
400/4 DO IS

XaiLo
10-16-2007, 01:19 PM
Your post starts off with "Must have lens" and as usual that will have different meanings to different people. Then to throw in "Quality of Picture versus Price which equals Value" all of this is relative based on subject, enviornment, and budget. I guess that's why threads like this pretty much turn into a round robin affair
Since you asked for a value list:

kit lens
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II
or 18-70mm

AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D
AF NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8D

AF Zoom-NIKKOR 24-85mm f/2.8-4D IF
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED
AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED
AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED
AF Zoom-NIKKOR 80-200mm f/2.8D ED

Sigma 18-50
Tamron 90mm
Sigma 30mm

But in all likelihood I would not own 80-90% of these lenses because they don't meet my needs.

truflip
10-16-2007, 07:13 PM
XaiLo,

what lenses do you have in your arsenal?
i checked your site, but I think you had this up before when you had only the s2/s3.. i cant tell which shot is taken by which cams =(

r3g
10-16-2007, 08:07 PM
My completely list will be:

-Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC HSM (replaces kitlens)
-Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 APO EX DC HSM (already own it)
-Nikon 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G AF-S VR (replaces VR 55-200mm)
-Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM


Man what are you guys collecting or something o_O lol

fionndruinne
10-17-2007, 12:19 AM
-Sigma 10-20mm HSM
-Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 HSM
-Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 HSM
-Sigma 30mm f/1.4 HSM (maybe)

Aww, no Nikkor glass there. C'mon Nikon, satisfy my cravings for affordable super-wide and large-apertures.

r3g
10-17-2007, 12:30 AM
-Sigma 10-20mm HSM
-Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 HSM
-Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 HSM
-Sigma 30mm f/1.4 HSM (maybe)

Aww, no Nikkor glass there. C'mon Nikon, satisfy my cravings for affordable super-wide and large-apertures.



my thoughts exactly.. 1 nikon glass for my nikon camera lol

fionndruinne
10-17-2007, 12:34 AM
Yeah. Seriously, though, Sigma has what I want. If only the 50-150mm had OS (is that what Sigma calls their stabilization?). And macro would be nice, but I guess I can use the 18-50mm with a close-up set. Otherwise, maybe that (was it 90mm?) Sigma HSM macro prime. Macro is not top of the list though, and 50mm might get it done for a while.

r3g
10-17-2007, 12:50 AM
OS on the 50-150 would put it out of its price range and closer to the price of the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 which i actually got to shoot not to mention the OS would make it bigger and heavier. I think the 50-150 is perfect the way it is.

achuang
10-17-2007, 01:17 AM
PLEASE Nikonians excuse me!!!

Canon list of lenses for 1,6 crop sensor could be similar:

EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5
EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS
or EF 24-70/2.8 (EF means you must x 1.6 crop factor to see what focal lenght)
EF 70-200/2.8 L IS
or cheaper EF 70-200/4L IS (very sharp lens, some say this is sharper than 2.8 IS version).

Primes:
EF 24/1.4L
EF 35L/1.4L
EF 50L/1.2L
EF 85L/1.2L
EF 300/2.8L IS
EF 600/4L IS

L means pro-grade, IS means Image Stabilization, EF-S means lens designed for crop sensor, EF means FF lenses.

Regardless of brand, I'd choose the same lenses. Btw gintaras both EF and EF-S lenses must be multiplied by the crop factor. EF-S lenses have smaller image circles and a mount which sits further back in the body. All lenses made for digital bodies with smaller than full frame sensors still must be multiplied by crop factor.

snowmot99
10-20-2007, 01:52 PM
Hi, I'm curious to know - What is the must have one and only lens that can do multiple tasks and also convenient to carry around?
I'm looking at the Sigma 18-200mm f3.5-6.2 DC OS HSM to take on the job. I wouldn't mind spending on the equivalent Nikkor lens if the quality is so much better.

Rooz
10-20-2007, 03:24 PM
18-200VR is the nikon equivalent and is an excellent do-it-all lens. i don't think there's too much of a price difference and the one stop difference at the tele end could make or break a shot.

i'm not sure how well the sigma OS works either but i know VR is outstanding.

e_dawg
10-21-2007, 12:23 AM
Reading the lens tests on Pop Photo, I now have to re-evaluate my original thinking that the Nikon 18-200/VR is much superior to the Sigma.

In one test (photozone, I believe), the Sigma has two focal lengths (35 and 100 mm) where the lens sucked in corner performance unless stopped down 2 stops or so. However, it was a good performer at other focal lengths. A little soft at 200 mm, but no worse than the Nikon. The Nikon lens, however, had a similar problem with corner softness unless stopped down at 18 mm and 100 mm. The Sigma also had less barrel distortion at the wide end and had a little less CA overall.

In the Pop Photo tests, the Sigma performed better than the Nikon at 18 mm and 200 mm. The Nikon actually tested pretty poorly at 200 mm.

I'm not sure the Nikon 18-200/VR is optically superior to the Sigma anymore. It really depends on the focal length, but both lenses have their weak spots at various focal lengths.

I guess it comes down to VRII vs OS and f/5.6 at the long end vs f/6.3 (but that's only one-third of a stop difference... Rooz, am I missing something here?). I am pretty sure that VRII is a bit better than OS, but I don't think I've seen tests that would prove it.

In any event, I am not sure the Nikon is worth that much more now. If I had to choose between the two, I think I'd still go with the Nikon, but the Sigma is a worthy competitor at a cheaper price.

Turn
10-21-2007, 12:40 AM
Perhaps a thread in the Canon forum would get more responses to this question.

ah I didn't realize that this thread was in the Nikon forum

achuang
10-21-2007, 01:49 AM
Tests have said that the VRII in the 18-200 can achieve 4 stops. And according to one of the forum members JTL if I remember correctly has the sigma and says OS is only good for about 1-2 stops. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's as effective as the nikon VR.

Gintaras
10-21-2007, 04:45 AM
if i am not mistaken there is always a compromise on quality with do it all lenses... Would you want 10-300/2.8L IS Canon or 10-300/2.8 VR gold ring Nikon... yep, but how that would work in reality? impossible! perhaps it is not possible to get the lens that fast, wide, long, etc in a single body without softness, distortion, etc.

snowmot99
10-21-2007, 05:26 AM
Thanks all for the prompt response. I got myself the 18-200 Nikkor lens 2 hours ago :D. I can't go wrong with a Nikkor, that's for sure. Tried the Tamron 18-250, but it didn't have the autofocus for the D40. The Nikkor was far better compared to the Tamron when I tested at the shop. Sigma's 18-200 built is comparable to Nikkor, but couldn't test that at another shop as they didn't have a Nikon body for test :confused:

So far, I'm liking it, but only one drawback - the manual focusing ring needs getting used too, it's tad bit tight and it's on the inside (closer to the camera body, not near the lens end) which makes it harder to focus and stabilise the camera on my palm.

Rooz
10-21-2007, 05:31 AM
i doubt a lens like the 18-200 had MF accessibility high up the order of priorities.

wh0128
10-21-2007, 04:00 PM
I liked the list of all the expensive Nikkor's on the first page. I'd rather stick to 1st party lenses than a lens like a Sigma. I'm completely biased against those kinds of things, so don't pay any attention, lol.:D

fionndruinne
10-21-2007, 11:33 PM
Hmm. One of those first-party people. Interesting.

Actually, though, I think in some - rare, comparatively - cases, you can go wrong with a Nikkor. Not with the more well-known ones, though.