How much is fair for a used 20D?

[DonSchap]

So ... with the EOS 40D coming on to the scene ... how much would be fair for a USED and well-maintained EOS 20D ... 8,000 actuations?

Prices skid all over the place, depending where you are and what you may NEED.

[JMWallace]

Haven't searched around, but I think one might be looking at approximately the price of a new XTi.

[noyjimi]

what jeff said... they're about 550-650 on ebay with orig package

[griptape]

I'd say 600 body only. I would personally pay maybe up to 700 if it's especially well taken care of. If you're thinking of selling, I can start saving. :)

[Rooz]

i bet you can't bring yourself to sell it Don. if you're not gonna sell the glass whats the point ? not like you're gonna get much for it.

[griptape]

Well if I'm gonna raise funds for a 20D... Anyone wanna buy an XT? :D

[Vich]

I've been thinking of upgrading one of my 30Ds too. Awaiting actual 40D results to see how much is hype and if focusing issues arise.

I sold my 20D about 3 months ago for $650 + I paid shipping. It seemed to be the going rate.

[Rhys]

I know people still using the D70 professionally.

I'm going to use my XT and 30D until they both die then if they're not repairable I might upgrade. Until then no way.

[Vich]

I know people still using the D70 professionally.

I'm going to use my XT and 30D until they both die then if they're not repairable I might upgrade. Until then no way.

Sorry Rhys; I just got a visual of you stubbornly showing up with a irreparable XT saying "I said *might*". :D

I found 20D really good, but it got confusing going back-n-forth since the 30D was set to spot-meter.

It seems like a personal choice and surely the XTi is a respectable camera and anyone would be hard pressed to see any difference between it and 40D results *unless* the 14 bit dynamic range really does offer noticeable gradation improvement.

Dynamic Range is one of the huge and visible differences between P&S and DSLR. Coldy probably knows exactly how the extra 2 bits translates into extra range (luminance, color, etc), but the image comparison I saw was convincing. Instead of a sheet of over exposed white for a wedding dress, it showed something more recoverable and distinctive.

Some film (I've been told) gives 7 stops of range - impressive! For this new Digital breakthrough (we hope it's a breakthrough), my understanding is that the 14 bits doesn't expand the number of stops (is it 5?), but it does improve the gradation.

If it's not hype, I can justify the $400 upgrade cost. The other improvements could be a nice bonus. Also; my style has changed and I'm not shooting 2 cameras simultaneously - rather keeping one on-hand as a backup.

Don S seems to have a whole 2nd household budget for camera gear. Upgrade seems like a no-brainer.

[cwphoto]

Some film (I've been told) gives 7 stops of range - impressive! For this new Digital breakthrough (we hope it's a breakthrough), my understanding is that the 14 bits doesn't expand the number of stops (is it 5?), but it does improve the gradation.

Digital has trounced most film for DR for years - we are well in excess of eight stops now while Colour Reversal is only five.

I don't know the science behind it, but it appears the extra two bits do a lot for the shadows - particularly noticeable at high ISO.

[jwhite]

Not sure if this helps, but I sold my 10D a couple of months ago for $500, which included shipping and paypal fees. It had ~9000 shutter clicks on it and was in excellent shape. I bought it new in April '05 (right after the 20D came out). Kept its value pretty well considering I paid in the 700s for it. I sold it over on FredMiranda.

I tried selling my 70-200mm f/2.8L over on that forum, but had not luck after several weeks. I ended up selling it on ebay for $950, which is around what I wanted.

Jason

[Vich]

Digital has trounced most film for DR for years - we are well in excess of eight stops now while Colour Reversal is only five.

I don't know the science behind it, but it appears the extra two bits do a lot for the shadows - particularly noticeable at high ISO.
Guess I should get informed before posting ... Here's an older reference by Norman Koren with some nice explanations (not to mentions a great write-up for RAW vs JPG). http://www.normankoren.com/digital_tonality.html

8.5 stops for 10D.

It goes into a compromise between contrast and DR. It seems likely 14 bit helps relieve that compromise some.

Canon's site says "... there are 16,384 distinct brightness steps from the darkest to brightest tone (vs. 4,096 previously). "

Anyhow; maybe it's hype and a waste. 4K sure seems like enough.

CW - you've used 12 bit since your first DSLR, and now the Mk III with 14. Is it noticable?

[cwphoto]

CW - you've used 12 bit since your first DSLR, and now the Mk III with 14. Is it noticable?

I'll let you know as soon as I find out what I am looking for! :o:D

[Vich]

I'll let you know as soon as I find out what I am looking for! :o:D
Guess that's a good answer, lol.

Here's the Canon claim for 14 bit. http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=15710

Given their history for sample high ISO photo claims ...