View Full Version : why is the silver XTi cheaper?
neoserenity333
08-31-2007, 08:24 PM
silly question, but why is the silver XTi like $10 cheaper than the black one? just purely cause of exterior appearance? i just bought the silver one, but i hope it's not of any less quality...
noyjimi
08-31-2007, 08:52 PM
silly question, but why is the silver XTi like $10 cheaper than the black one? just purely cause of exterior appearance? i just bought the silver one, but i hope it's not of any less quality...
it's definitely the same camera, but some may say it looks a little less professional :p:D;)
one thing you might run into later on is if you want the grip, it only comes in black, i believe
resale value seems to be slightly less, too
fionndruinne
08-31-2007, 10:15 PM
Silver DSLRs? All I can say is... ugh!
... maybe that's the reason right there.;)
neoserenity333
08-31-2007, 10:24 PM
*shakes head* hahahah.... :rolleyes:
Honest Gaza
09-01-2007, 12:57 AM
The Silver model looks like absolute crap and should be banned from sale.
Oops....just noticed mine is Silver :eek: :D
Nuthin' wrong with it. Works like a bought one.
Gintaras
09-01-2007, 03:10 AM
Canon says silver model is for ...girls, the black is for boys :p
GaryS
09-01-2007, 03:28 AM
I have a black one, but I have had a few times while sitting out in the sun that I wish I had gotten silver.... Black get can really hot.
DLugassy
09-01-2007, 05:50 AM
Well, silver may look less "cool", but for the small $$$ savings, I'll just put it towards some new equipment:rolleyes:
fionndruinne
09-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Yeah, time to pick up that Canon 50mm f/1.8 USM lens for ten bucks!
Truthfully, I think the aversion to silver DSLRs that some of us have is caused by the fact that nearly all consumer, non-SLR digital cameras are silver. Silver seems to equate with "consumer-grade".
Plus that little red triangle on Nikon DSLRs wouldn't look nearly as cool if the body were silver.:D
Silver is cheaper - vote with your wallet.
I don't think it matters whether the silver looks less professional as the XTi is not a professional camera anyway.
cheapr by $10...come on now. :rolleyes:
coldrain
09-01-2007, 03:07 PM
cheapr by $10...come on now. :rolleyes:
Thats a lot of beers, Rooz:D
griptape
09-01-2007, 03:24 PM
Thats a lot of beers, Rooz:D
True, that's almost a 30 pack of PBR. Well worth living with a camera you don't like the color of for several years if you ask me.
AdamW
09-01-2007, 04:07 PM
Silver is cheaper - vote with your wallet.
I don't think it matters whether the silver looks less professional as the XTi is not a professional camera anyway.
If you get paid for the pictures you take with it, then it's a professional camera.
If you get paid for the pictures you take with it, then it's a professional camera.
lol very well put adam.
Honest Gaza
09-01-2007, 04:55 PM
Dustyporch touched on one of the main reasons I usually choose Silver....the heat.
My FZ20 was Silver, and now my 400D is Silver (although the Black Camera Grip certainly stands out as an "add-on")
If you get paid for the pictures you take with it, then it's a professional camera.
No. The photographer is a professional. The only "professional" cameras are medium format cameras. The 35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format even though many professionals use it.
Nickcanada
09-01-2007, 05:11 PM
I guess I'm going to have to shoot medium format film from now on if I want to make any money as a pro.:(
I chose silver for my XT because it's cheeper and because I wanted an unprofessional looking camera for when I was shooting downtown at night or in clubs. I wanted to draw as little attention as possible.
DonSchap
09-01-2007, 06:46 PM
When you get your hands on one of those EOS 1Ds Mk III, and start firing off 21MP images, you're easily competing with the likes of the Hasselblad and Mamiya medium formats, for a lot less than they cost.
Why spend $33,000 if you don't have to? That really is a lot of beer! :D Who's laffin' now?
No. The photographer is a professional. The only "professional" cameras are medium format cameras. The 35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format even though many professionals use it.
what a load of rot.
RichNY
09-01-2007, 07:01 PM
When you get your hands on one of those EOS 1Ds Mk III, and start firing off 21MP images, you're easily competing with the likes of the Hasselblad and Mamiya medium formats, for a lot less than they cost.
Why spend $33,000 if you don't have to? That really is a lot of beer! :D Who's laffin' now?
Don- The 1Ds MkIII is still limitted by the sensor size and won't resolve the same detail as a medium format camera will. It would be similar to a point and shoot with 21 MP still not being able to resolve to the same level as a DSLR.
The most amazing stuff I've seen has been a medium format camera with a scanning back. It takes 1-2 minutes for a scan so its uses are going to be for static subjects like landscapes but the detail it captures is amazing. The scanning back is pretty much like if you took a desktop scanner and attached it to the back of the camera and it scans one line across at a time then moves down and does the next line until completion.
what a load of rot.
Ok. I sggest you red the Ilford Manual of Photography.
fionndruinne
09-01-2007, 07:58 PM
No. The photographer is a professional. The only "professional" cameras are medium format cameras. The 35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format even though many professionals use it.
By whom? Certainly not the many professionals who used 35mm, or those who shoot full-frame digitals as a profession today. I'd say by the medium-format photographers themselves, and them only, is 35mm format considered amateur.
Heck, I could buy a $25 Holga and shoot 6x6, if I'm not mistaken... great entry-level pro camera there, eh?:p
DonSchap
09-01-2007, 08:17 PM
Don- The 1Ds MkIII is still limitted by the sensor size and won't resolve the same detail as a medium format camera will. It would be similar to a point and shoot with 21 MP still not being able to resolve to the same level as a DSLR.
The most amazing stuff I've seen has been a medium format camera with a scanning back. It takes 1-2 minutes for a scan so its uses are going to be for static subjects like landscapes but the detail it captures is amazing. The scanning back is pretty much like if you took a desktop scanner and attached it to the back of the camera and it scans one line across at a time then moves down and does the next line until completion.
Well ... obviously, you can still only get 12 lbs of grapes in a 12-lb sack. The Canon is definitely pounding on the door, though. Believe me when I say I'm torn in considering the use of a medium format camera in my photography, but when I look at those lens prices ... my head clears and I am right as rain, again.
I suppose when my art gets a little better ... I will go back to considering these higher-end cameras ... but for "on the go" photography that I am currently involved in ... the medium stays at home. I don't see it as a practical unit, especially now, in light of the MkIII, which can render exceptionally high-speed, high quality images. But, if you were to park it ... the scanning back would be a distinct and decided advantage.
Thanks for pointing that out, Rich. A person tends to get a little too optimistic when the dollars fly. :D
Ok. I sggest you red the Ilford Manual of Photography.
what on earth for ?
timmciglobal
09-02-2007, 01:33 AM
Except that 99.99999999999999999999997% of the planet won't be able to tell a medium format 21 megapixel print at 12x18 from a 21 megapixel 1ds print.
The entire "what is pro" thing irks me. I've seen shots from 1d's with 4 megapixels in national geographic and they looked amazing so I'm not satisfied with the "only medium format 30+ megapixel shots are pro" idea.
Tim
elitist snobbery.
Is MF better quality ? yes. does that mean alot a dslr cannot be pro equiptment ? of course not.
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 02:27 AM
it's a little bit funny... LOL!!! color means nothing OTHER THAN your personal preference. I simply do not like silver and that does not matter if this is XTi, a car or a high end music system. Silver color irritates my eye unpleasantly, as simple as that.
I also know other people who LIKE Silver… so what?
As concerns professionalism as someone put it here: IF you sell your photos and receive money then you are PROFESSIONAL no matter if you got MarkIII or Xti. I cannot see any better description to professionalism. Being professional is earning money for what you do IMO. The rest is literature.
I am amateur in this case and all I need is a camera I like and learn taking good pix which bring me joy... who cares if I carry silver or black model other than me myself? someone thinks I do not look professional? I could not care less for that.:eek:
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 02:30 AM
may be IF Canon would place a pink body XTi... this discussion would have more merit :p
coldrain
09-02-2007, 03:39 AM
Pink??? Get real, you barbie collecting elf!
A "save the planet" green one with Eco-tax, now THAT would be an option :D:eek:
tim11
09-02-2007, 04:30 AM
Back in 2005 when I bought my FZ20, the black was is short supply and people who wanted silver could pick one up straight away while those who wanted black had to wait for a couple of weeks. I heard that some people paid more just for the black colour.
I think most people also like black cameras and that the reason why retailers want to squeeze a few dollars more out of this demand. I prefer my camera black and willing to wait in line but if I have to pay more then I will go for silver or any other colours. Except pink mind you.
Honest Gaza
09-02-2007, 05:04 AM
I prefer my camera black and willing to wait in line but if I have to pay more then I will go for silver or any other colours. Except pink mind you.
Not that there's anything wrong with pink Rooz....:p :D
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 05:11 AM
How about getting this one? Makes you look SOOOOO professional indeed:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06093003hasselbladh3d.asp
but of course NOTHING compares to 6x6 placed on tripoid with a kilo glass attached :p
and WHY on earth NOT pink XTi??? Casio Exlim comes in pink (as well as in other colors)… Coldy, imagine you go with your Rebel black or silver and your girlfriend by your side with pink XTi, SO CUTE :D:p
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 05:18 AM
in my place there was NO silver XTi... they sold only black. older XT was available in both colors but guess silver model did not go that well. in any case it is not about color, it is about what color YOU like. i also saw older Rebel of my friend which collected ugly scratches fast...guess it looks and feels more like a painted silver body compared to decent black Rebel body. Mind you pink XTi might look better than a silver one.:(
tim11
09-02-2007, 05:18 AM
Gintaras: That camera cost something like $30,000.
Talking about pink XTi reminds me of some fact I can't seem to get over. In the land where they invent the Nissan Z cars (they call it the FAIRLADY), they call the Canon Rebel XTi the KISS X.
A pink KISS X. How fitting. I wonder if you guys would still have bought your EOS 400D/REBEL XTi if it was called the KISS X instead?
coldrain
09-02-2007, 05:29 AM
A pink hello kitty version would do surprisingly well in Asia!
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/HelloKittyDigiCam.jpg
Not that there's anything wrong with pink Rooz....:p :D
hell bro, rebels may as well come in pink. chances are the colour will match the handbags and earrings rebel users love to carry around. :p
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 05:59 AM
Rooz, another pair of socks 4U!!!:p
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 06:02 AM
Tim, WHO CARES about the price when your reputation of great professional is at stake? Imagine "wow" whispers around you when you pull out this monster on a street! :D:D:D
NB: the whole thing was intended as a joke, or do you think I can seriously suggest a 30K camera to someone? :p
Gintaras
09-02-2007, 06:05 AM
a pink Kiss X ...hm, sounds sexy indeed. :p
AdamW
09-02-2007, 11:35 AM
No. The photographer is a professional. The only "professional" cameras are medium format cameras. The 35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format even though many professionals use it.
You're right that the "professional" is a person. The camera is a tool. A tool is suitable to the needs of a particular professional or it isn't. A professional can use a pinhole camera made from cardboard and duct tape and the result will still be professional. To call one model camera professional while another is called amateur or "prosumer" is at best buying into marketing bullshit, and at worst snobbery.
I suspect that the "35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format" by two groups of people: the manufacturers who want to sell more medium and large format cameras, film, and equipment, and the folks who buy them and have a need to make themselves feel better by looking down their noses at someone else.
You're right that the "professional" is a person. The camera is a tool. A tool is suitable to the needs of a particular professional or it isn't. A professional can use a pinhole camera made from cardboard and duct tape and the result will still be professional. To call one model camera professional while another is called amateur or "prosumer" is at best buying into marketing bullshit, and at worst snobbery.
I suspect that the "35mm format has always been regarded as an amateur format" by two groups of people: the manufacturers who want to sell more medium and large format cameras, film, and equipment, and the folks who buy them and have a need to make themselves feel better by looking down their noses at someone else.
Most magazines would not touch 35mm photos. They would take 120 though.
tim11
09-02-2007, 06:59 PM
I'm still curious.... would you EOS 400D/REBEL XTi owners still have bought your camera if it was called KISS X like they do in the land of the rising sun?
I'm still curious.... would you EOS 400D/REBEL XTi owners still have bought your camera if it was called KISS X like they do in the land of the rising sun?
I bought on price. I wouldn't have cared much if it had been called Barbie's Camera.
AdamW
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
I'm still curious.... would you EOS 400D/REBEL XTi owners still have bought your camera if it was called KISS X like they do in the land of the rising sun?
Sure I would've. I'd just tell everyone it was Kiss the band! :D
AdamW
09-02-2007, 07:19 PM
Most magazines would not touch 35mm photos. They would take 120 though.
So all those press photographers I see--you know, Newsweek, Time, Sports Illustrated, Associated Press,etc.--are using medium format? That's odd, their cameras usually say Nikon or Canon. I didn't know they make medium format cameras. :confused:
So all those press photographers I see--you know, Newsweek, Time, Sports Illustrated, Associated Press,etc.--are using medium format? That's odd, their cameras usually say Nikon or Canon. I didn't know they make medium format cameras. :confused:
exactly...and the rest mate. its a stupid argument to say the least.
AdamW
09-02-2007, 07:44 PM
exactly...and the rest mate. its a stupid argument to say the least.
You're right, and I should know better. Sometimes I can't stop myself...:rolleyes:
Nickcanada
09-02-2007, 08:04 PM
All those sports photogs covering the Olympics and pro sports they all must be amateurs eh? Come on Rhys this is totally a trolling. Your logic is so flawed it's comical. :D
tim11
09-02-2007, 08:44 PM
I think what Rhys meant is that for studio shot they don't use 35 mm?
I can't imagine sport photographers practically carry anything else but 35 mm and similar size cameras though.
coldrain
09-03-2007, 04:30 AM
I think what Rhys meant is that for studio shot they don't use 35 mm?
I can't imagine sport photographers practically carry anything else but 35 mm and similar size cameras though.
A lot of studio photographers use DSLRs. Some even use Leica M series cameras.
Using a meduim or large format camera can have a lot of reasons, but "being professional" is not one of them. It is just the individual photographer choosing his/her tools, for what they want to achieve. And many photographers will be happy that the new 1Ds mk III offers 21mp, and will use it with specific lenses to shoot for magazines.
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