Info on Canon 30D releases?

[RichWalker]

I'm considering purchasing a Canon EOS-30D, but was wondering whether anyone knew if Canon was planning a newer model of this line in the near future.

Rich W.
San Francisco, CA

[sportnet23]

I e-mailed Canon and of course the standard reply is to keep checking their website. There are rumors of something new being released late September.
I own the 20d and just orderd the 30d this weekend. I got a really good price on it thru cametaauctions on ebay. Depending on what you are looking for hang tight until the fall. I myself could not wait anymore as I want to be able to be fully versed with the 30d by my vacation. I have done an internet search and have seen the "mock" 40d photos and what they think it will have:

Here is a link to an article:

http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/reviews/canon/canon_eos_40d.php

[griptape]

Canon has been historically very good at not leaking things before they want people to know about them. Chances are there's something in the works for release some time in the fall, but I'm sure they'll wait until after summer to keep the 30d's selling for as long as possible.

So yes, there are TONS of rumors and speculation, but your guess is as good as anyone who isn't working for Canon.

[cwphoto]

I reckon we will have a 40D by Christmas, maybe a month earlier.

I expect it to have DiG!C III, 14-bit CR2s, the new 3" screen, live-view, and still 1.6x.

[RichNY]

I reckon we will have a 40D by Christmas, maybe a month earlier.

I expect it to have DiG!C III, 14-bit CR2s, the new 3" screen, live-view, and still 1.6x.

I'm surprised to hear your prediction for including live-view; of course we'll have the sensor cleaning. Seems like just a tad more than the 20D-30D release.

Any predictions on how much more it will cost than the 30D? (B&H price to current B&H 30D price) I'm still trying to decide whether to sell off the 30D now and buy a 5D, sell now the 30D, 10-22, and 17-55 now, buy the 16-35 and 24-70 for use on my Mark IIN and wait for the 5D replacement, or just hold on to the 30D with my EF-S glass in hopes that Canon will also release a 24-70 IS.

For me it's a tough call trying to figure out how much value I'll loose on the 30D by waiting another 6-9 months before selling vs. convenience of my current kit.

[cwphoto]

Probably the same price as the 30D I reckon.

[aparmley]

Probably the same price as the 30D I reckon.

ISO 6400 perhaps??

[cwphoto]

ISO 6400 perhaps??

Yeah - good call.

[DonSchap]

Yeah - good call.

You need something startling to give people a reason to change ... the 20D is still a pumpin'!

[shoey]

I was kinda hoping for at least 10mp too, otherwise i'm not sure i could warrent the upgrade over my 20D. The 30D wasn't enough of a change to push me:)

[DonSchap]

Well, I saw what going to the 30D did to "Andy" ... :p Excuse me ... "Mr. Nikon!"

[shoey]

:D might go look into this nikon business :p

[forno]

Mmmmm, lets see what my Xmas bonus is:D

[cwphoto]

I was kinda hoping for at least 10mp too, otherwise i'm not sure i could warrent the upgrade over my 20D. The 30D wasn't enough of a change to push me:)

Yep, another good call: 10MP for sure. But not the same sensor as the 400D/XTi.

[forno]

Any AF system upgrades that you know of Ceedub?

[michaelb]

Speaking of Nikon, I would like the "40D" to have a couple of features that the D80 has: A bigger viewfinder as well as built in remote flash firing capability.

[cwphoto]

Any AF system upgrades that you know of Ceedub?

I know nothing - this is all still conjecture.

[Vich]

Historically; it's just a more solid version of the XT. 14bit, for me, would be more than a "small improvement". They could do nothing else but that plus DIGIC III and justify a lot of upgrades.

If the ISO 3200 is usable, it's a slam dunk that I'll bite ... unless the 5D MKII does the same step up, then it'll be a tough one.

I think built-in flash remote is unlikely on any future body since Canon flashes aren't RF controlled, although a built in IR transmitter could be doable.

[JTL]

Give me the equivalent of a 5D with a built-in flash (for those casual situations) and the dollars would leave my wallet a nanosecond after it was available...

Of course a nice piece of glass or three would have to go along with it (16-35L/28-70L/70-200 2.8 L IS).

Canon...please take my money!

[suemccartin]

I stumbled on a good price for a 30D grabbed it, I think what I read about the 40D scares me that my EFS lenses aren't going to work on it. Even though it's 10 mp, something I read said the censor on the 30D actually has more receptors per square inch than the 10 mp censor will have on the 40D since it's a bigger censor. I just kinda half seriously used the 30D for the first time the other night, tonight I actually shoot seriously with it for the first time, I don't like the photo style garbage. The 30D has a different personality than my 20D that's a definite if you ask me but I do like finding all my pictures in one folder instead of the stupid thing dividing them up. I would rather have something proven than a new product that may have bugs and quirks to work out and I'll wait for someone else to do that.

[RichNY]

I stumbled on a good price for a 30D grabbed it, I think what I read about the 40D scares me that my EFS lenses aren't going to work on it. Even though it's 10 mp, something I read said the censor on the 30D actually has more receptors per square inch than the 10 mp censor will have on the 40D since it's a bigger censor. I just kinda half seriously used the 30D for the first time the other night, tonight I actually shoot seriously with it for the first time, I don't like the photo style garbage. The 30D has a different personality than my 20D that's a definite if you ask me but I do like finding all my pictures in one folder instead of the stupid thing dividing them up. I would rather have something proven than a new product that may have bugs and quirks to work out and I'll wait for someone else to do that.

Sue- Congrats on the 30D but I think what you read about the 40D is probably a load of BS. I really can't see a 40D coming out that isn't compatible with EFS lenses. I don't use styles on the 30D either; unless you are shooting jpg or using DPP it is useless. Since the 30D was my first DSLR I never knew about the PITA folders on the 20D until I just shot an event using a friend's camera.

[coldrain]

I read a while ago about Canon working on a 13.3mp sensor for the 30D follow up.

That would make sense, coming out now with a 10mp sensor, while Sony is going to introduce a 12.Xmp sensor soon as follow up to the 10.2 MP sensor found in the D40X, D80, D200, K10d and A100 does not make sense marketing wise.

So... don't be surprised if the 30D follow up will be 13mp. With the sensor technology we first saw in the 1D MK III.

[RichNY]

I read a while ago about Canon working on a 13.3mp sensor for the 30D follow up.

That would make sense, coming out now with a 10mp sensor, while Sony is going to introduce a 12.Xmp sensor soon as follow up to the 10.2 MP sensor found in the D40X, D80, D200, K10d and A100 does not make sense marketing wise.

So... don't be surprised if the 30D follow up will be 13mp. With the sensor technology we first saw in the 1D MK III.

Coldy- Ok, if it happens I'll go on record as being a bit surprised;) Are you suggesting a 13mp on a 1.6 crop sensor or Canon abandoning the 1.6x crop and going to something like 1.3x on the future 30D line?

If that were to happen, where to you think the future 5D will come in at?

[forno]

Canon need more than 4xxD's in there line up to make EF-S viable, so unless they can keep the noise under control on a 13+MP 1.6 sensor then I would be suprised to see it

[coldrain]

Coldy- Ok, if it happens I'll go on record as being a bit surprised;) Are you suggesting a 13mp on a 1.6 crop sensor or Canon abandoning the 1.6x crop and going to something like 1.3x on the future 30D line?

If that were to happen, where to you think the future 5D will come in at?
The new CMOS technology of the 1D mk III does a better job in noise at 10mp than the 8mp sensor of the mk II does.

So it is not so strange to think a 13.3mp sensor can perform well on a 1.6x crop factor... The XTi with 10mp already performs better than any other DSLR besides the other EOS cameras, and that is with an older generation CMOS.

Of course, rumors are rumors... but the 13.3mp thing I read was from a quite unsuspect source, so I would not be too surprised.
There are other rumors about it too, even ones that talk about an APS-H sized sensor, which would give panorama shots with full frame lenses, and 10mp photos at APS-C size.

The 1Ds MK III will get a 22mp sensor, and the 5D followup will most probably go to 16mp.

So... it all does make sense in the MP rat race.

[RichNY]

The new CMOS technology of the 1D mk III does a better job in noise at 10mp than the 8mp sensor of the mk II does.

So it is not so strange to think a 13.3mp sensor can perform well on a 1.6x crop factor... The XTi with 10mp already performs better than any other DSLR besides the other EOS cameras, and that is with an older generation CMOS.

Of course, rumors are rumors... but the 13.3mp thing I read was from a quite unsuspect source, so I would not be too surprised.
There are other rumors about it too, even ones that talk about an APS-H sized sensor, which would give panorama shots with full frame lenses, and 10mp photos at APS-C size.

The 1Ds MK III will get a 22mp sensor, and the 5D followup will most probably go to 16mp.

So... it all does make sense in the MP rat race.

Coldy- Isn't it a much easier thing to do going from 8 to 10mpix on a larger 1.3x sensor than going from 8 to 13 on a smaller 1.6x sensor?

[coldrain]

The mk II is WORSE than the mk III, not the same or better (noise wise).
So why would it be impossible to have a 13mp sensor perform the SAME as the 8/10mp sensors from earlier generations?

Sony is going to 12mp, which will mean the D300, K10D follow-up, the new Sony Alpha all will have higher resolution sensors.
Canon has always tried to stay ahead in resolution and noise performance, for obvious reasons. That is the reason why they have their own sensor development in the 1st place...
I don't know what you think, but the 13.3mp rumor does make sense, especially when we know that the new CMOS technology from Canon has made a big step in dynamic range and noise.

[24Peter]

...especially when we know that the new CMOS technology from Canon has made a big step in dynamic range and noise.

Noise perhaps, but I haven't seen anything about increased DR. Got a link? ;)