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K1W1

03-27-2007, 05:35 AM

Maybe I should spend more time reading every thread?
I can't understand why all of a sudden this forum seems to have developed into a sort of us vs them clique. There seems to be from my perspective at least a small group who have formed a mutual admiration society perhaps unconsciously and by doing that have shifted the basic reason for the overall forum away from what it's original use was.
I can't speak for Jeff, I actually hope he replies here but from my view as a participant and reader of this site for over 5 years these forums were set up to discuss the various makes and models of cameras and offer peer support on issues relating to the cameras. I do not think that the original intention was for these forums to become repositories of peoples images and pseudo web photo hosting sites.
The one shot per day thread was a great idea and started off well. It contains some terrific images but I notice that many images now have multiple replies and generate more space than some whole threads. Surely if a photo is developing into a thread in itself it should be a thread with it's own subject line?
The threads where multiple photos are being posted for no apparent reason seem pointless in the context of this forum. There are some great places on the web for this sort of thing, any photo hosting site like Flickr or PBase or Smugmug to name only three would be a far better location for this sort of thing and would gain better recognition for the photographer as they are liable to generate more views and are searchable by body, lens, location, subject or keyword in comparison to this type of forum where once a thread disappears from the front page it's basically gone forever.
I would like to see this place get back to what I think it should be - a peer support forum. Sure photos can be posted either somewhere like the one photo per day thread or in a thread by themselves to illustrate a point but lets not fill Jeffs Servers with examples of our handiwork when other locations are more suitable for that sort of thing and lets cut out all the bitching and pointed comments that seem to have started recently.

Honest Gaza

03-27-2007, 05:50 AM

An interesting point of view.

Being a relatively "new comer", I found that this very thing was common place when I first became a forum member. I will even put my hand up to say that I am guilty of the charges that K1W1 has addressed.

So I guess the question is......is this acceptable or not :confused:

Interesting reading ahead in the next few days.

Rooz

03-27-2007, 06:02 AM

i dunno what this place was created for and i would personally find it completely pointless to discuss camera models. i'd assume that poeple who post in here have their camera already and discussion about the technical side of camera models just don't float my boat. i find much more use in the pic of the day thread...or any pic thread, when people post their exif data than any other thread in the joint. maybe its just me but i learn far more from images than text.

i do agree with you about quoting with photos attached. that does make threads longer and i am guilty of doing it. but hell why can;t we admire a good photo in the thread and say "great job" ?? :confused: i also agree that posting heaps of photos without posting any data may be a bit much but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. if people get off on doing that and the admin don't mind the bandwidth then i don't see what the drama is.

i don't know who the clique is, maybe i'm a bit dense. i do know that far too many people take themselves, this forum and the internet far too seriously. if i've noticed anything from this place its that people need to lighten up and enjoy. crack a joke, have a laugh...this is something we're supposed to love doing.

K1W1

03-27-2007, 06:13 AM

i do know that far too many people take themselves, this forum and the internet far too seriously. if i've noticed anything from this place its that people need to lighten up and enjoy. crack a joke, have a laugh...this is something we're supposed to love doing.

Agreed but the problem as with all Internet forums is that they are only a written medium and quite often the actual words written can be misunderstood because of lack of the other clues we humans use in communication. You and I both know that Australian / New Zealand humour is vastly different from what is understood to be humour in the USA. That is why ALL posters should be very careful about the words they use and yes, I know I am as guilty in that regard as anybody.

In relation to your particular interest in looking at images. If that is what you want then you really should check out the major photo hosting sites. You will get a far better range of images with vastly more information than you ever will on a site like this.

Rooz

03-27-2007, 06:13 AM

Rooz

03-27-2007, 06:18 AM

Agreed but the problem as with all Internet forums is that they are only a written medium and quite often the actual words written can be misunderstood because of lack of the other clues we humans use in communication. You and I both know that Australian / New Zealand humour is vastly different from what is understood to be humour in the USA. That is why ALL posters should be very careful about the words they use and yes, I know I am as guilty in that regard as anybody.

In relation to your particular interest in looking at images. If that is what you want then you really should check out the major photo hosting sites. You will get a far better range of images with vastly more information than you ever will on a site like this.

lol i look at both, i must have alot to learn. :eek: other photo hosting places have the basic raw data but if i want to ask a question, this forum is a great place to get some clarity on a technique or style. you can;t do that effectively on any photo hosting place.

anyway...i'll leave this more serious side of things to the experts, i'm out of my DOF. ha ha funny...oh well, nevermind.

Honest Gaza

03-27-2007, 06:32 AM

hey gaz...to go with your coffee creations. i was pouring a great short black today and thought "go with the flow" would be a great addition to your series, a pic of the coffee flowing out of the p/f...you know what i mean.

i;m the ideas man...make it happen mate. :D

You have any idea what preparation is required to recreate that magnificent setting ? I can't just drop my mug at your every whim :p .

(.....and I reckon that even our friends in the US got your DOF joke :D )

VTEC_EATER

03-27-2007, 07:21 AM

I can't speak for Jeff, I actually hope he replies here but from my view as a participant and reader of this site for over 5 years these forums were set up to discuss the various makes and models of cameras and offer peer support on issues relating to the cameras.

Of course thats what this forum is for. In fact I have been finding that the "Nikon DSLR" forum is rather boring because it has been nothing but technical talk about flash systems, or if the D40x is better than the D40. How many threads can we have about this stuff? Its nice that we can talk about these things, but if its all going to be technical threads and no one actually showing the results, thats seems almost counter-productive.

Im going to have to agree with Rooz on this one. I learn more from people posting photos and EXIF data than just reading theory and technical jargon.

I do not think that the original intention was for these forums to become repositories of peoples images and pseudo web photo hosting sites.

Well, even if you did have your photos hosted by this site, you cant show people unless they join the forums. The photo attachments have restricted access. Not to mention, the size and quality of the photos have to be so small that its almost not worth using this websites hosting capabilities. I have been using Flickr lately and I am much happier doing it that way. I can show larger images at higher quality, and the photos can be seen by anyone. No logging in. It should keep the bandwidth down on this site and I can still show my pictures to everyone for C&C.

cut out all the bitching and pointed comments that seem to have started recently

I haven't been noticing this much lately, but I also havent been reading many of the threads in here. I have been hanging out in the Canon forum lately. What can I say, they post more pictures (with EXIF data) over there. I feel that I can learn more from those threads than many of the ones we have been having lately in the Nikon section.

LR Max

03-27-2007, 07:50 AM

A number of reasons:

1) People come on this board expecting someone to tell them a certain camera can give them DSLR quality with the price of a point n' shoot. Ain't gonna happen sweetheart. People need to quit being so cheap, you get what you pay for unless you are REALLY good, and few are. The best way to buy a camera is to go to the camera shop and play with the different models. Same goes for equipment, quit being cheap. If you bought a shitty lense, expect shitty pictures.

2) People don't search and ask the same question over and over again. SEARCH!! I am on some other boards and this is a constantly re-told theme: search before asking a question. The wedding photo/lense/portrait discussion has been had. Look at that and quit wasting time.

3) People get pissy about minor, insignificant details. 1MP is chicken shit because it doesn't matter. 3200 ISO is chicken shit because its too noisy to actually use. Rebel XTi vs. D50 is chicken shit because they are two totally different cameras.

4) People expect to be fully educated on how to take pro photos just by asking on the internet. Once again, ain't gonna happen darlin'. Get your ass outta the chair and into the real world. Come back with specific questions, not this general-how-to crap. No amount of reading, posting on the internet, e-mails, etc can teach you how to take pictures. Either go figure it out for yourself or pay/beg/decieve someone to show you.

5) People need to use photoshop to get better images. Back in the day, people would enhance photos in the photo lab and that is why old school photography looks so awesome.

6) The internet does not need anymore pictures of your cat. Thank you.

And that sir, is why people are so pissed off.

That is all.

tcadwall

03-27-2007, 08:13 AM

LOL! - oh wait this isn't supposed to be funny.

Agreed - people are lazy. This is more true in this day and age than it has ever been.

Often, I see a question, and actually do a 5min. search and heck there is the comparison chart that they were looking for, so I answer with a link. Why is it so hard for them to do that, and then when they narrow it down further ask a more pointed question? Well, I guess I am guilty of encouraging that.

I come here to learn, and hopefully help others with the same learning curve that I have been through. Sometimes, a picture really can show what your describing. Sometimes, a picture for no reason - with little commentary, is totally pointless.

I think there is a place here, for both images that have purpose, as well as technical jargon.

To almost totally disagree with myself above, I think that when people are researching a specific couple of camera models, they DON'T want some reviewer's comments ONLY. They want some real-world people, that are not playing politics, to provide an opinion. This is the reason that the D40 threads can get so heated. Some of us feel that the perspective "pro" reviewers minimize the importance of lens compatibility. When the pro looks at the D40 they comment on how nice it is because it is so small, and produces such good images. BUT - they don't have to rely on that same body to get their favorite NON-AFS lenses to focus. They just pull out their D2Xs and there they go!

Sure the D40 does a good job taking pictures, and that is why it is so strongly defended. This has caused a lot of the aggravations.

Another big source of aggravation, that I have noticed is that it appears that some people jump in here - that don't even use Nikon equipment, and give lens advice that is based on graphs and crap that they find helpful, but there are many different - un-controlled - environments that might produce very different results. Environments that weren't graphed. Because of this type of opinion - especially when stated as law - conversations have spiraled as well.

I personally like to see a variety of threads, some technical (lens and body), some tips (like the HDR threads), and some pictorial (Exif included), constructive criticism for photos is something that I find almost invaluable. Even when it is other people's shots being discussed, I can take the advice and often apply it to my situations as well.

I know that I have put out a lot of opinions, etc. But heck, I really have tried to encourage peace around here too. I don't totally understand why some are driven to stir things up. If I am part of an exclusive click - I don't know about it... If I am part of that label - maybe you can PM me to let me know what makes me come across that way.

Kellie

03-27-2007, 08:38 AM

i dunno what this place was created for and i would personally find it completely pointless to discuss camera models. i'd assume that people who post in here have their camera already and discussion about the technical side of camera models just don't float my boat. i find much more use in the pic of the day thread...or any pic thread, when people post their exif data than any other thread in the joint. maybe its just me but i learn far more from images than text.

i do agree with you about quoting with photos attached. that does make threads longer and i am guilty of doing it. but hell why can;t we admire a good photo in the thread and say "great job" ?? :confused: i also agree that posting heaps of photos without posting any data may be a bit much but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. if people get off on doing that and the admin don't mind the bandwidth then i don't see what the drama is.

i don't know who the clique is, maybe i'm a bit dense. i do know that far too many people take themselves, this forum and the internet far too seriously. if i've noticed anything from this place its that people need to lighten up and enjoy. crack a joke, have a laugh...this is something we're supposed to love doing.

Ditto to everything you said! And I have always understood and appreciated your humor. Maybe I'm on the wrong continent. :D

I guess I am guilty of asking questions that have been asked before. I do perform a search before asking questions, but don't always find exactly what I am looking. I searched for info about 85mm options, but didn't see anything that specifically stated why one might be better than the other. I apologize for wasting posts on repetitive questions in the past and will work harder to avoid that in the future. :p

I really appreciate the threads where one person posts a string of photos with information and asks for c&c (Prospero comes to mind). I learn a lot from those threads. I would be very bored here if every thread was about technical mumbo-jumbo.

I didn't know about the unwritten "rules" and don't see any cliques. Maybe I'm just naive. :confused:

tcadwall

03-27-2007, 09:23 AM

don't see any cliques

Oops I spelt it rong.

Guess that is why I am thinking that I must be in it. I don't see the "group" either, so maybe I am in it... :eek:

Gsquared

03-27-2007, 09:25 AM

Ive gotta echo the last two posts... Im kinda new here, so maybe I dont recognize the change, and I certainly hope Im not viewed as any source of trouble.

I like to come here to share knowledge and photos, and have taken away alot of good tips and skills as a result. Im not a pro, and I dont plan to be one, so as a hobbyist, I may say stupid things and post some lousy pix. Please be patient with me. So far think we have a nice group here with many talented eyes.

jcon

03-27-2007, 09:31 AM

I pretty much agree here. Although I hardly see adding comments to the POTD Thread is taking away from it. Comments and critisism are helpful, especially when the person asks for it. What does it matter how many replies the thread has?

If this has become "too technical" then what should it be? Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this a site to inform people?

I like the HDR thread, it was informative and helped to show how to use this technique, it also had example pictures. I thinik I made my point on personal threads that contain no info or reasoning behind them. I mean what good does it do to post 15 to 20 pics within minutes of each other with no info, no explination, no nothing?!?!

I may be naive here but I dont think there is a clique or group. I do notice people showing respect to those who have proven they deserve it. Thats the way it should be.

In closing, the one thing that is annoying, and its been covered in this thread... noobs not searching before posting. Weve lost a couple GREAT members because of the same ol posting. I understand people want answers as fast as possible, so they just post. Quite often, the same question has already been answered....10 times. LOL

Not everyone will get along, theres so many different personalities in one spot there is bound to be a dissagreement once in awhile.

shoeytennis

03-27-2007, 09:34 AM

this is called the world. everyone argues everyday and on something as dumb as a forum. guarentee the only one who would argue with me in real life is mr jcon haha.

tcadwall

03-27-2007, 09:37 AM

I may be naive here but I dont think there is a clique or group
uhhh... I want in, and I hear that you were the leader of the pack - obviously though it is a secret.

Just bustin on you a bit K1W1. Honestly, I would have thought that you were part of the "in" group. I know I have respect for your opinions. (maybe K1W1 is the leader in disguise):D ;)

Gsquared

03-27-2007, 09:43 AM

OK I just noticed the minor meltdown in POTD thread. I think a gentle reminder of the rules wldve been more effective. I enjoy all the pix so I have no issue with it.

Kellie

03-27-2007, 10:15 AM

If this has become "too technical" then what should it be? Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this a site to inform people?

Just wanted to answer this since I mentioned technical mumbo-jumbo. I definitely don't think the forum is too technical. I have learned a lot from the technical threads. :) I just meant that if it was only technical info and no picture sharing, I would be quite bored. I like the mix and agree that when pictures are posted, it is nice to have some info (where they HDR? what is the exif?, etc.) because that is what helps us learn. I also appreciate comments in the POTD thread. If it was only pictures and no responses, it would be as boring as an all tech-talk board.

I may be naive here but I dont think there is a clique or group. I do notice people showing respect to those who have proven they deserve it. Thats the way it should be.

Agreed. Even though it gets ugly here sometimes, I have stuck around because there are several members who have been very helpful and others who are at the same level as me and I enjoy learning along with them. I have a lot of respect for those who try to maintain a pleasant atmosphere here and turn the other cheek when attacked (you know who you are ;)).

That said, if anyone has problems with what I post, feel free to PM or email me and let me know. :)

jcon

03-27-2007, 11:30 AM

Kellie, my too technical comment wasnt directed at you or a result from anything you said, I agree with you. It was based on what someone else said about it being too technical.:)

tcadwall

03-27-2007, 01:45 PM

Kellie, my too technical comment wasnt directed at you or a result from anything you said, I agree with you. It was based on what someone else said about it being too technical.:)

you know who you are ;)
:eek: There IS a clique!!! :eek:
Guess we know a few that are "in".:cool:

LOL!

K1W1 - since you posted, it appears everyone is afraid to post anywhere on the Nikon board! :)

Too darned quiet around here. Guess that is good. I got a lot of work to get done.

XaiLo

03-27-2007, 02:01 PM

A picture is worth a thousand words is a familiar proverb that refers to the idea that complex stories can be told with just a single still image, or that an image may be more influential than a substantial amount of text. It also aptly characterizes the goals of visualization where large amounts of data must be absorbed quickly.

First off I'd like to say I'm not particually mad at anyone or have any animosity towards anyone here. Life is too short.

What I am saying though is just because something does not fit within your particular brand of reasoning does not make it wrong. For instance the D40 vs D40x thread got turned into the "your not in your right mind if you think about buying a D40 it's not worth it" thread.

Many of the people here have voiced their opinion about just posting picks for the sake of posting pics. Please allow me to share a little story I had an S2 which fell and broke. There were problems getting another S2 from a certain company and by the time that was resolved S3 was announced and shipping. So after about two months without a camera I purchased the S3. I was so happy to have a camera back I took some pictures and just simply decided to share them. When it came to a title for the thread I just simply named it for what they were "Some S3 Pics".

I can't begin to tell how many times I've heard from ordinary people how much they appreciated the thread and how helpful it was to them. Because they found nice pictures and friendly people. Who shared EXIF information when requested, who shared photographic techniques, and who also shared photoshop techniques and even tutorials. People who were just having a good time for the sake of photography. Not to mention how many people joined the forum and participated just because of that thread.

Then I purchase a D40 and thought it would be nice if a "Some D40 Pics" thread could replicate success of the "Some S3 Pics" thread. But instead of being left alone I get a whole bunch of opinionated critizism. From people who don't even own the camera or want to own it and by no stretch are staunch supporters against. For instance:

No offense here but, posting 20 pictures within minutes of each other is a bit much.

No offense taken, but I really do not understand what it is that I have done to you... to which you feel you have the right to chastise me as though I am a child. Isn't it enough that you ridicule my choice of a camera... guess not!

Uhhhh negativity?:confused: And what does me thinking the D40 is a limited camera have to do with my previous post? Stop being so damn defensive. I said nothing negative about your camera in that post, I even said I enjoy your photos. Maybe I should have sent you a box of candies with a nice red bow ontop first?

What makes you so special that you can post so many pictures? Why do you need to stand out from the rest of the Nikon users and have your own personal photo thread? Why cant you limit it to one, sometimes two pictures a day in the correct place, where everyone else posts the pictures.

Oh and yes, users can stop by and see pictures, its called the Photo Gallery, and if you wish to post under the Nikon forum, its called "Picture Of The Day" but I guess youre special, so by all means continue your own personal thread, heck, why not rename it to the XaiLo Photography thread:rolleyes:

Im sure youll get all defensive and attack me again, feel free. I have said what I wanted and am finished with this.

Maybe I'm the only one that felt Jcon was out of line and maybe that's also part of the problem I gave a measured response... . Telling someone "No offense here but" and "Im sure youll get all defensive and attack me again," intimates that you have a definitive understanding of the results of your words. I did not start this mess if anything under the circumstances I've been pretty tame. Then subsequently some other people come along mimicking a simular sentiment while maybe a slightly more balanced and diplomatic the same sentiment none the less.

Yet no one has really given me a definitive reason as to why me setting up a thread with pictures goes beyond the scope of this site. I started out the "Some S3 Pics" 8 months ago with 28 pictures (My pictures are pulled from my own website... they are in no way a bottle neck or resource hog to this website) I was the only one who started posting in the "Some S3 Pics" thread also, but as you can see it picked up quite a following:

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with nearly 170 posters and with over 254,000 views suggests that there are people who are interested in just this type of thread.

Maybe my methodology does not meet with your personal seal of approval, but I have eight months of experience, emails, and posts that says this can be a very good thing.

Rooz

03-27-2007, 02:04 PM

That said, if anyone has problems with what I post, feel free to PM or email me and let me know. :)

and if anyone has a problem with what i post they can feel free to inspect themselves in an intimate and innapropriate manner. :D

btw: i think these d200, nikkor f2.8 guys are the clique. bastards. :mad:

jcon

03-27-2007, 02:15 PM

btw: i think these d200, nikkor f2.8 guys are the clique. bastards. :mad:

LMFAO!!!! You and Tcad are great, Rooz. I wish we could all get together for a beer or two, im sure it would be a blast!

Err, I hope im not insinuating that we start a clique:o :p

BTW... if there is a clique, may I join? Pretty please?!?! LOL

shoeytennis

03-27-2007, 02:44 PM

if youve never argued with jcon then your missing out. i have and always do and always will its just somethign that happens.i dont think jcon was out fo line, this is america say whatever you want/

I do think the d40 pics thread is a bit much because the d40 imop is nbot a good camera. I think the potd thread is fine maybe expand it to two pictures or start a nikon dslr thread-WHERE YOU MUST POST THE CAMERA AND ALL INFO FOR EACH PICTURE- that is just my two cents.

swgod98

03-27-2007, 02:45 PM

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leyo04 85
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If youre name is not in this list, then you are a part of the clique :eek:

Seriously, now...Xailo, jcon's original response to your post of 20 pics wasn't that threatening. He prefaced his intentions with, "don't take this the wrong way", which you did, and simply said 20 pictures at once is a bit much. It's not like what he stated was false. 20 pictures at once could definitely be construed as a bit much. He didn't say WAY OVERBOARD!! But, if you thought about it from his perspecting (or maybe mine, if they are different...?), 20 pictures could easily be put on a separate page and linked to. Or, maybe a few pictures with a link for people who wanted to see more.

Personally, I think the some D40 pictures thread is great. Forums are for more than just sharing opinions/facts, they are for socializing in general. And posting pictures falls into that category.

But, there is a line (somewhere) that separates socializing and spam. Lest I fall into the same trap jcon did, I must say, "please do not take this the wrong way." I in no way intend to mean your post of 20 pictures was spam...BUT...you have to believe there is a point in which people would say, holy cow, that is way too many pictures, so it would be called spamming. It's just a matter of where you draw the line. 102341 pictures? 2343 pictures? 532 pictures? 20 pictures? 5 pictures? 2 pictures?

That line is vague and undefined...and just perhaps jcon felt you were stepping close to it. Your thread did say "some" D40 pics. Not "A hoard of" D40 pics :D lol...Anyways, my point is that people see things and draw lines in a different manner.

I don't believe there was any intention of starting a flame war.

Now, not that this matters at all...but it's my perspective on the situation: 20 pictures at a time is too many. D40 pictures thread is a GREAT idea! Post away! Pictures galore! But, 20 at a time is too many. Remember, this is my OPINION and is not set in stone, nor do I care it to be. I am not law here. Nobody is law here...ok Jeff Keller is law here. But, he should not have to babysit us.

We have to be civil.

I realize $hit happens. $hit happened to me too. But, we need to let go of said $hit or it is going to get all over the place and the place won't look or smell as nice as it should.

Now...I think we all need to take a small coffee break (hot chocolate for those who don't drink coffee), and come back in 20 minutes when you've conveniently forgotten all your frustrations about this discussion.

If you need to post 20 pictures, nobody is going to make you stop (unless Jeff Keller does). But, please realize there are other people here reading your threads and trying to learn and otherwise just trying to socialize too. Respect to each other, not just to ourselves.

Ok. Please forgive this retarded post. I am at work trying not to...work. I'm going to take my hot chocolate break now :D

jcon

03-27-2007, 02:54 PM

Now...I think we all need to take a small coffee break (hot chocolate for those who don't drink coffee), and come back in 20 minutes when you've conveniently forgotten all your frustrations about this discussion.

Can I have marshmallows in mine?:D Ah hell, Ill just take a vodka/lemonade:eek:

You summed up what I was TRYING to convey very well, thank you!

VTEC_EATER

03-27-2007, 04:13 PM

20 pictures at a time is too many.

To me, this can be taken a couple of different ways. 20 random pictures that someone posts to show off their new camera: "here's a flower, here is my dog, here is a shot of my living room, ect..." That is a bit much. If there is no rhyme or reason to the organization of the photographs, I personally get bored after the first few.

However, if there is a theme to the photos, for example CW's wedding photos that he posts in the Canon DSLR forum, then I am totally cool with that. Here is a link to what Im referring to:

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28325&highlight=wedding

Notice how there is a theme to all the photos. Notice how he provides EXIF data to every photo. Notice how he tries to show many different angles, with different lenses (not all of us have this luxury), different compositions, lighting, scenery, color/black & white, ect....

This is the way to post 20 photos and not have it be boring.

If there is no rhyme or reason for the 20, 30, 100, ect... pictures you are posting, I would recommend posting your favorite few, and providing a link to a separately located gallery in your post.

If this is coming off as harsh to some people, then so be it. We obviously have different opinions on the subject. Personally, I don't care for random pictures that have no explanation behind them. They just don't hold my interest.

Rooz

03-27-2007, 10:43 PM

I do think the d40 pics thread is a bit much because the d40 imop is nbot a good camera.

why is it not a good camera ? maybe its not a good camera for YOU. but to say this is not a good cam is completely subjective. i've seen some cracking shots from this cam. partner it up with a great lens and a good eye and the image quality will be just fine. sounds just like any other camera to me.

fionndruinne

03-27-2007, 11:41 PM

Also, saying that because you don't think the D40 is a good camera, therefore a thread devoted to it is not creditable, somehow? Sounds to me like snobbery, truth be told.

tcadwall

03-28-2007, 06:29 AM

At least this long thread does seem to be leading to some understanding, and it isn't taking an otherwise informative thread and turning into slam-fest.

(Still trying to figure out if that LONG quote was supposed to be an oxymoron type joke, or if it was a complete "in your face" regarding the valid point of not including super long quotes in your post):D

Cheers

Stoller

03-28-2007, 08:55 AM

Spent ten minutes reading this thread. Now I'm thinking what a waste of ten minutes. I've always subscribed to the idea that 50% of what is on the internet is BS and 50% is good information. This forum is no different I enjoy reading the posts here and just tune out the BS. Everyone is entiled to their opinion and no one should assume anyone is an expert. :D

and further more… if someone wants to say his or her camera model is great, good for him or her. If ten people say their camera model is great and I’m thinking of purchasing that model, good for me…

:D:D:D

K1W1

03-29-2007, 06:22 PM

My intention in starting this thread was to post something controversial that would give everybody a chance to get whatever was bugging them of their collective chests. I hope that that aim has been achieved and that we can now return to normal around here.
From my point of view it seems that it is now situation normal so thank you to everybody and lets just continue keep things nice as best we can.

wrestlingreport

03-30-2007, 11:18 AM