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cj42
01-23-2007, 05:26 AM
so ??
which one do you prefer Fuji FinePix F30 OR Canon PowerShot A710 IS ?? :D

mattdm
01-23-2007, 11:14 AM
I prefer the Fuji F30. But why do you ask?

cj42
01-23-2007, 12:20 PM
because i want to buy one of them

thnx for your reply

Elisha
01-23-2007, 12:23 PM
bigger zoom and IS or low light?

andres_x
01-23-2007, 12:33 PM
I am in the same boat. I am interested in buying either of these cameras. I do value low-light/indoor performance. But would like to find a good overall camera. Which of these would have a good balance bet. low-light and everything else?.

I checked the images of the A710 at: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/A710/A710A.HTM

Versus F30 at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F30/F30A.HTM

And I can't really tell the great difference in low light performance. This is why I tip towards the A710 - is there anything you wouldn't reccomend about it?

cj42
01-23-2007, 12:49 PM
this is the problem...
i think i'll shoot sveral shots in low-light and also liked the re-charged long life battery .. on the other hand i liked the zoom and some other features in the a710 like IS ' color swap and color accent....

is there IS in the fuji (or system works the same work)?

thanx

mattdm
01-23-2007, 01:17 PM
And I can't really tell the great difference in low light performance. This is why I tip towards the A710 - is there anything you wouldn't reccomend about it?

Those examples are of still subjects, where the A710's image stabilization can be most effective. Note the difference in shutter speeds. It's somewhat less useful for pictures of people -- high sensitivity and quick shutter speeds are what you need there.

The A710 is a fine camera, though.

cj42
01-23-2007, 01:24 PM
Those examples are of still subjects, where the A710's image stabilization can be most effective. Note the difference in shutter speeds. It's somewhat less useful for pictures of people -- high sensitivity and quick shutter speeds are what you need there.

The A710 is a fine camera, though.

they both have the same shutter speed: 15-1/2000

mattdm
01-23-2007, 01:25 PM
they both have the same shutter speed: 15-1/2000

No, I mean the shutter speeds used in the sample images. :)

ChL
01-23-2007, 05:25 PM
I have a similar problem, can't decide between Fuji F31fd and Canon A710is...

Some points to make F31 a little better:

- Less noise on high speeds can be obtained only by F31... you can't get it on Canon
- IS can be obtained by Canons, or by holding firmly a F31 ;)

- I love the color accent and color change too... then I found it can be done much better using Gimp (free software), just go to menu layer -> color -> hue-saturation and have fun... reduce the saturation of 6 basic selectable colors you don't want, to make them black-white... or change the hue of one or more of them... Other PP softwares can do it easily too...

BryanMsi
01-23-2007, 08:25 PM
You can't go wrong with either one. I think both were the best point-and-shoot cameras of 2006. However, I think the Fuji F20 delivers the same image quality as the F30 for half the price while the replacement for the SD700 (the SD800) is 2x the price and actually takes worse photos.

I would say if outdoor bright light quality and stabilized lens is important, go with the SD700. If low-light capability and freezing motion is more important, go with the Fuji.

cj42
01-24-2007, 04:48 AM
if i take a shot using a fast shutter speed without lot of shaking i don't need IS in this case, don't i ??

mattdm
01-24-2007, 06:57 AM
if i take a shot using a fast shutter speed without lot of shaking i don't need IS in this case, don't i ??

Right. Image stabilization would help you get longer shutter speeds, which can let you decrease the aperture for sharper pictures (not normally a real factor on compact cameras anyway) or decrease the ISO (which will already be low if there's lots of light). It will also help with very long telephoto lenses.

cj42
01-24-2007, 07:34 AM
i can understand now!! :D...

thanx for everyone helped me here... i probably gonna buy the F30

thanx again

js797
01-24-2007, 08:40 AM
The Canon could be the better 'point-and-shoot' camera by definition - I find the auto mode on the Fuji disappointing, especially when you want to avoid using flash in low light (which is of course the camera's greatest strength) where the F30 is somewhat over-enthusiastic in bumping up the ISO to the pretty-much unusable 3200. However if you don't mind getting to understand the camera and its capabilities, and in some instances setting it up a little before taking a shot, you can produce stunning photos. I'm certainly thrilled with my F30!

ChL
01-24-2007, 09:28 AM
over-enthusiastic in bumping up the ISO to the pretty-much unusable 3200
Can't you use the Auto-1600 option or Auto-400? This should limit the automatic ISO... on F31 there's a new option Auto-800.

cj42
01-24-2007, 09:45 AM
The Canon could be the better 'point-and-shoot' camera by definition - I find the auto mode on the Fuji disappointing, especially when you want to avoid using flash in low light (which is of course the camera's greatest strength) where the F30 is somewhat over-enthusiastic in bumping up the ISO to the pretty-much unusable 3200. However if you don't mind getting to understand the camera and its capabilities, and in some instances setting it up a little before taking a shot, you can produce stunning photos. I'm certainly thrilled with my F30!

its written in all the reviews that u can control the camera manualy.. "Extra manual control" is written in the review which's link is in this thread (first page)

js797
01-25-2007, 05:07 AM
I own the F30 and control it manually. You're right about the Auto-1600 option, my point was that if you're the sort of shooter who just points and shoots in auto mode without fiddling you're not going to get the best of the F30.

cj42
01-25-2007, 05:14 AM
I own the F30 and control it manually. You're right about the Auto-1600 option, my point was that if you're the sort of shooter who just points and shoots in auto mode without fiddling you're not going to get the best of the F30.

ah ..
no i dont think i'm gonna shoot a lot using auto mode

thank you for the warning :p

andres_x
01-28-2007, 07:01 PM
What about a comparison bet A710, SD700, and F30??

I was leaning towards the A710, but after seeing it's size at the store it seem a little bigger that I'd like to carry around. I will still consider it, if it is a solid camera compared to the others..

cj42
01-29-2007, 06:46 AM
What about a comparison bet A710, SD700, and F30??

I was leaning towards the A710, but after seeing it's size at the store it seem a little bigger that I'd like to carry around. I will still consider it, if it is a solid camera compared to the others..

i did compare between those 3 cameras before i psted this thread and found that a710 is and f30 better than the sd700

thank you for sharing your opinion

jageya
01-29-2007, 09:39 AM
what aout the e900? similar to the f30 i think..

mattdm
01-29-2007, 10:32 AM
what aout the e900? similar to the f30 i think..

Different sensor -- 9mpix 1/1.6" instead of 6mpix 1/1.7". (Same sensor as the S9000, apparently, although they only let it go up to ISO 800 in this case.)

cj42
01-29-2007, 10:57 AM
never did i know this camer... i saw the review and it looked very good to me even with its low iso and having a lot of noise with the high iso (400 / 800)
but it cost more than i want to pay...

thanx

ChL
01-30-2007, 04:01 PM
My F31 arrived yesterday :)

First impression, I didn't like it very much, because it's only good when you limit the ISO on 800 or 1600, and it can be done only in manual mode.

If you want to shoot using face detection or the great "natural light & flash" modes, the camera uses ISO 3200 most of time, you can't limit it... and 3200 is very noisy, completely unusable.

ISO 800 and 1600 are great.

mattdm
01-30-2007, 04:39 PM
ChL -- yes, the F30/F31fd do seem to be too aggressive at going to 3200. I haven't played around enough to really be sure if I think this makes the Natural Light mode useless, but this may actually be yet another point to recommend the F20, which is limited to a more reasonable 2000.

By the way, some of the scene modes, like Portrait, are limited to ISO 800.

cj42
01-31-2007, 04:44 AM
does the noise in the pictures shot using f30 / f20 is the sam ?
i mean if i shoot a picture using f30 with 1600 iso and do the same with f20
does the noise in the two pictures are the same ?!

mattdm
01-31-2007, 04:52 AM
does the noise in the pictures shot using f30 / f20 is the sam ?
i mean if i shoot a picture using f30 with 1600 iso and do the same with f20
does the noise in the two pictures are the same ?!

Yes, they're identical.

My first impression of the F31fd is that it appears to apply less noise reduction to high iso images, so they appear noisier but have more detail. The underlying sensor is still the same, though.

cj42
01-31-2007, 05:09 AM
in this time i dont know what to buy: f20 or f3 ?
there is a big difference in cost (140 - 150 $)..
so which camera do u advise me to buy ??

ChL
01-31-2007, 06:08 AM
My first impression of the F31fd is that it appears to apply less noise reduction to high iso images, so they appear noisier but have more detail. The underlying sensor is still the same, though.
I don't know if F30 produces less noise or has more noise reduction... but with F31 I started using Noise Ninja, did a profile for every ISO using the color chart template and it very easy to process everything in batch mode with a couple clicks now. The results have been great.

mattdm
01-31-2007, 06:12 AM
in this time i dont know what to buy: f20 or f3 ?
there is a big difference in cost (140 - 150 $)..
so which camera do u advise me to buy ??

At that price difference, my suggestion is the F20. See my earlier posts for details.

cj42
01-31-2007, 06:16 AM
i did see before...

thank you for your help ;)