Bonjour alle

[Jarakeltor]

Bonjour miteinander.

Wollte mich vorstellen, nettes Forum habe gefunden indem ich nach "General Digital Photography Chat" gesucht habe.. Und finds ganz interessant hier..

Salut, Jara

[zmikers]

Bonjour miteinander.

Wollte mich vorstellen, nettes Forum habe gefunden indem ich nach "General Digital Photography Chat" gesucht habe.. Und finds ganz interessant hier..

Salut, Jara

UHHHHHHHHHHH Bless you?!?!?!?

[Pave]

:eek:
LOL
Greetings in frech, the rest in german....this is english forum :rolleyes:

[zmikers]

:eek:
LOL
Greetings in frech, the rest in german....this is english forum :rolleyes:

Ya, I thought that was wierd. New member must be Swiss, a bit of french, a bit of german.....LOL:p

[Pave]

lol, I'm from Europe and it didn't occur to me at all.
Anyway I'd expect a guy from there to speak English...

[DonSchap]

Oh, he was just telling us what a great forum he found here and also added that he found it interesting.

Admittedly, it would be nicer to have it in "the English", but that's the way of the world. :rolleyes:

[Pave]

I thought so....it's good to know that my German is bad but not that bad :p
Anyway why does he tell us something we know ( :D ) and tell it in language that is not used here (and probably not even understood . . . with exceptions like Dan of course :) )
Which surprises me by the way...I thought Americans don't learn German too often...

[DonSchap]

Well, to be honest ... my German is brief ... two years in high school and a week or two in Germany (Bremen, Goslar and Bremerhaven), while I was in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club. Personally, I don't really use it at all.

My son took German for the full four years, finishing high school this May. He has also completed two years of Polish and is planning on taking Chinese in college. Neither of us want anything to do with the 2nd language in the States (Spanish ... or more correctly, Mexican) in a personal decision to avoid promoting this problematic issue. If you decide to come to the States and live here ... please take the time to learn and speak the language! (Currently: ENGLISH!) We didn't plan on changing it and this AIN'T Europe, where the language seems to change every 50 or so miles (kilometers)! It's ENGLISH from sea to shining sea, my friend.

I know what you are thinking, "Bedeuten Sie das, oder sagen Sie gerecht das?" or words to that effect.

Remember, photography translates into all languages, as a picture is worth ... well, something. :p

[Pave]

Polish? Thats quite similar to Czech (in fact it is somewhere between Czech and Russian).
btw. Your German seems to be pretty good for just two years back in high school. I spent 4 years learning (and hating) that language in high school and I don't think I could say I know more than you (I had to look the word "Bedeuten" up in dictionary).
btw2. Even in Europe it usually takes more than 50 miles for the language to change. Could be something about 200 actually (more or less anyway :) ). And sometimes even from sea to sea there is the same language....take Britain for instance :p

[DonSchap]

Well, when I'm addressing sea to shining sea ... we're talking about three thouand miles of glorious fields of grain, two major mountain ranges, three incredible river systems (each over one thousand miles long). Heck, we even have a whole other country between the lower 48 states and one other state, which, BTW, is just about the size of Europe. :p

That's a lot of serious walking to be done. Along the way, you can casually shake hands with about 300,000,000 people here, 240,000,000 who speak English ... and the other 60,000,000 using some kind of import. :eek: I'd take an image of all of us waving, but my lens isn't wide enough, except at 60 miles up.

Again, in a country that embraces the concepts of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... please take the time to learn the language, so we can all communicate and keep the ball rolling. I won't bug the Chinese about it ... they kind of have us at 4 or 5:1 odds.

[zmikers]

Well, to be honest ... my German is brief ... two years in high school and a week or two in Germany (Bremen, Goslar and Bremerhaven), while I was in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club. Personally, I don't really use it at all.

My son took German for the full four years, finishing high school this May. He has also completed two years of Polish and is planning on taking Chinese in college. Neither of us want anything to do with the 2nd language in the States (Spanish ... or more correctly, Mexican) in a personal decision to avoid promoting this problematic issue. If you decide to come to the States and live here ... please take the time to learn and speak the language! (Currently: ENGLISH!) We didn't plan on changing it and this AIN'T Europe, where the language seems to change every 50 or so miles (kilometers)! It's ENGLISH from sea to shining sea, my friend.

I know what you are thinking, "Bedeuten Sie das, oder sagen Sie gerecht das?" or words to that effect.

Remember, photography translates into all languages, as a picture is worth ... well, something. :p

You are forgetting that once upon a time when the "English" settled in America, English was not the spoken language. I don't think that The "english" took time to learn the local language from "sea to shining sea" then, so why should it be different now!

[DonSchap]

Okay, Mr. History-buff, just tell me ...

What was the local language of America, from coast to coast, back in the 1600's? "Ugg" and "How"?

Nice try ... now, back to the English lesson ... ;)

[zmikers]

My point is that I know what it's like living in a country where you don't speak the local language. I've been doing it for the last 5 years. I am trying to learn but it's not as easy as you think it is. Just give people a break, that's all. Not everyone in the world speaks English and if america did not have imigration and jobs available to imigrants then your economy would fail. We live is a multi-cultural world, deal with it.;)

[DonSchap]

The fact is the United States has be a destination on the immigrant list for 200 years. I don't see it coming to an end anytime soon, with the Democrats in power. You want to live here, you learn the language, the customs and obey the law. No one is asking anything more than what is expected to make this place workable for everyone as citizens and residents. That's just the way it is, cultures aside ... so get used to it. :D

[zmikers]

I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Definitely, when you move to another country you should obey the laws of that country and respect their culture, definitely. All I'm saying is that learning another language is difficult, more difficult for some people than others. If everyone who was employed in another country needed to learn the language first then I would be out of a job :confused: I am very appreciative that the majority of the people in Taiwan that I know are just happy with the fact that I am trying, and when I order by number at Mcdonald's in chinese, they are amazed....LOL (I am able to speak more chinese than that now) Anyway, I'm not arguing, just stating the difficulties :)

[DonSchap]

You can excuse this effort to suggest a second language in the USA as anything you want to, but I'm not buying it.

To me, this is what it is to be an American … what it is to be a patriot. The great American author Mark Twain wrote something that has stayed with me for years and years. Something so powerful, so true, that it represents the life I have chosen to live. He wrote –

“In a republic, who is the country? Is it the government which is, for the moment, in the saddle? Why, the government is merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Who, then, is “The Country?” Is it the newspaper? Is it the Pulpit? Why, these are mere parts of the country, not the whole of it; they cannot command, they have only their little share of the command.

In a monarchy, the King and his family are the country; in a Republic, it is the common voice of the people. Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. It is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government or the empty catchphrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which of course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide it against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country. Let men label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country. Hold up your head. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world … No, you move.”

Thank you, Mr. Twain, from one American to another.

Things change ... but some things should stay the same, for the sake of "The Country." Wisdom dictates - One language, under God, indivisible, with truth and good grammar for all. Plus, as this relates to photography, it would take up less paper for the instructions in the lens boxes.

[Kenen]

Even in Europe it usually takes more than 50 miles for the language to change. Could be something about 200 actually (more or less anyway :) ). And sometimes even from sea to sea there is the same language....take Britain for instance :p

You've never been to Wales... Although, people in Wales are bilingual, so are all the signs...

[zmikers]

You can excuse this effort to suggest a second language in the USA as anything you want to, but I'm not buying it.

To me, this is what it is to be an American … what it is to be a patriot. The great American author Mark Twain wrote something that has stayed with me for years and years. Something so powerful, so true, that it represents the life I have chosen to live. He wrote –

“In a republic, who is the country? Is it the government which is, for the moment, in the saddle? Why, the government is merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

Who, then, is “The Country?” Is it the newspaper? Is it the Pulpit? Why, these are mere parts of the country, not the whole of it; they cannot command, they have only their little share of the command.

In a monarchy, the King and his family are the country; in a Republic, it is the common voice of the people. Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. It is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government or the empty catchphrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which of course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide it against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country. Let men label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country. Hold up your head. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world … No, you move.”

Thank you, Mr. Twain, from one American to another.

Things change ... but some things should stay the same, for the sake of "The Country." Wisdom dictates - One language, under God, indivisible, with truth and good grammar for all. Plus, as this relates to photography, it would take up less paper for the instructions in the lens boxes.

I believe "One Language, under god" was not meant as English. It was a figurative language not a literal one, and this is why I am so very glad I am not American. Why do you feel the need to convert everybody in the world to the views and idiologies of Americans? I think everyone in this world, including America, has the right to their own thoughts, beliefs, morals and of coarse language. This is the end of my discussion on the matter. I will not even start to involve myself in a debate on whether or not it is "right" to not speak English. This is ignorant, bigotry, childish and uneducated! 我不要跟你說話. 謝謝!

[druid314]

That´s right !


it would take up less paper for the instructions in the lens boxes.

Ah yes, and the lenses and cameras you use, are truely from America....

[Honest Gaza]

All right Gentlemen....allow me.

He (the OP), is simply offering advice as to how to handle photographic equipment.

My German is a little rusty, but I believe this is an accurate translation. What he was trying to say was :


ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS !!!

Dies Machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengraben.
Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowen fusen und poppen corken mit spitzensparken.

Is nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen.
Das rubber necken sightseerers keepen hands in das pockets, relaxen und watchen das blinken lights.

Happy now....I hope I have cleared this up :)

[DonSchap]

Anyway ... I certainly do not expect "The World" to grab English as their language. That would be way too easy on improved commerce and we certainly don't want that. There is plenty of money being made and peoples being oppressed by keeping them "different" or ignorant. Education means you usually have to pay someone for it. Big business knows this and you are absolutely correct, "Zmikers", learning English would really throw a monkey wrench into the money machine. Best way to stop this need for commonality is to label it "bigotry" and you play right into their hands. Good job!

There will always be a need for the "second-class" citizen... and as long as they keep speaking some language other than English, they (whoever they are) may maintain their status. We need lots of hands to make those lenses. Big Business 101. English is the language of money. You learn, you earn. You don't ... you won't! Pretty plain and simple.

Let's all say it, together...

in Deutsch:
"Wir lieben unser Geld!"


or in Chinese...

我们爱我们的金钱!

[Pave]

It's interesting to observe where the discussion has lead from simple polite greetings in different language than we're used to seeing here. :)


Let's all say it, together...

in Deutsch:
"Wir lieben unser Geld!"


or in Chinese...

我们爱我们的金钱!
I'd also add this memorable statement in my language if you don't mind:

"Milujeme své peníze" :p

[DonSchap]

Perception.

I perceive a planet in turmoil due to a lack of understanding and communication. Obviously, half the planet is speaking Chinese or an Oriental variant. The other half ... a collection of hodgepodge local dialects that have lasted for millenia. I have to ask, what is the value of language if you simply cannot understand one another? How many years did we have to waste waiting for someone to finally decipher Hieroglyphics? Decoding the past? Do we have to continue to decode the future? I'm here to say, "Stop this continuing nonsense, grow up and have everyone get on the right page."

Willy Brandt, a former German chancellor, once said: "If I'm selling to you, I speak your language. If I'm buying, dann muessen Sie Deutsch sprechen [then you must speak German]."

At least then, those lens instructions will use less paper.

Learn English, save the trees and give me a break. :cool:

[zmikers]

Anyway ... I certainly do not expect "The World" to grab English as their language. That would be way too easy on improved commerce and we certainly don't want that. There is plenty of money being made and peoples being oppressed by keeping them "different" or ignorant. Education means you usually have to pay someone for it. Big business knows this and you are absolutely correct, "Zmikers", learning English would really throw a monkey wrench into the money machine. Best way to stop this need for commonality is to label it "bigotry" and you play right into their hands. Good job!

There will always be a need for the "second-class" citizen... and as long as they keep speaking some language other than English, they (whoever they are) may maintain their status. We need lots of hands to make those lenses. Big Business 101. English is the language of money. You learn, you earn. You don't ... you won't! Pretty plain and simple.

Let's all say it, together...

in Deutsch:
"Wir lieben unser Geld!"


or in Chinese...

我们爱我们的金钱!

I really hope you are not trying to say that anyone who does not speak English is "Second Class" Please tell me that's not what you are saying here! If it is, that is an aweful statement.

[DonSchap]

I really hope you are not trying to say that anyone who does not speak English is "Second Class" Please tell me that's not what you are saying here! If it is, that is an aweful statement.

Now, how you EVER got that from my end of discussion truly is infuriating. If anything, I am taking up the need for the little guy to step up to the plate and become a player.

I suppose you can twist just about anything into a pretzel with enough force, but this is not one of them. The fact remains, if you want to make money, the choice is clear ... we all go back to Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin), right? What? The entire Roman Empire was built on it ... and look at how wonderful and powerful it is, today. Just check your wallet and see how many denarius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius) you have in there. Amazing isn't it and so heavy, too.

In the stature of the economy, the ranks are filled by people of various levels of the economic strata. Your ability to earn is directly affected by your ability to communicate, hence, if you can communicate ... you may be able to raise your ranking in this economic strata. "Second Class" is way of pointing out the immediate problem. It does not relate to a man/woman's worth, but rather his/her ability to make that worth translate into something profitable for himself/herself and the family. Then he/she can afford the high-priced DSLR he/she will need to capture all those magic moments with his/her family ... and read from a much smaller instruction sheet that came along with his/her new lens. (Is that PC-enough for ya?)

I hope that clarifies your understanding on this matter. If not, there is always:

Economics 101 (http://www.mises.org/store/Economics-101-P223C0.aspx) :D

Bonjour!

[AdamW]

Okay, Mr. History-buff, just tell me ...

What was the local language of America, from coast to coast, back in the 1600's? "Ugg" and "How"?

Nice try ... now, back to the English lesson ... ;)

Don--

I hope you come to realize just how offensive and ignorant-sounding the above questions are. Before the Vikings, English, Spanish, and Russians came to to North America, there was a huge number of vibrant, complex, sophisticated, and mature cultures here. Please don't reduce thier languages to childish stereotypes.

[DonSchap]

Basically, this was a poor attempt to say that there was no single unifying language that connected the region from coast to coast. There is nothing ignorant about failed communications ... in fact, I would venture to say that communication, at the time, was usually through the end of a blunderbuss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunderbuss) or at the end of a spear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear). We are beyond that, now, and well into communicating with intercontinental ballistic missles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile) and atomic cannons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_cannon).

Heck, you can ask the Russians, yourself. They prepared the same rich dish of cultural exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_Assured_Destruction) through the entrails of Space that the United States did. The "Greatest Generation" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Generation) saw to that.

I guess: "GET THE MESSAGE?" means more, that way. Anyone can understand it. Yes, Virginia, even photographers. :p

"K.I.S.S." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle) - (in simple English) the watchphrase of doubt.

Anyway, come on, sing along ... "I'd like to teach the World to sing, in perfect harmony..." (http://www.geocities.com/moonshadowdream@sbcglobal.net/teach.html) :rolleyes:

* All underlined phrases are ACTIVE hyperlinks

[druid314]

"So, right folks, that´s the reason why our troops must stay in this f***ing Iraqui Stoneage country to learn those b***ards our d***n language, boy !"

George W. *ush, Great Language Educator