S3/S2 Zoom Power Comparison 12x vs TC

[XaiLo]

Hopefully those with an S2/S3 and a TeleConverter will contribute to this thread. So viewers can have a wide and varied analysis of the available converters.

First up TC-DC58B 1.5x 58mm

These are by no means the best this camera and TC can do they were just what I could throw together quickly.

S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/6s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/6s3tc.jpg



S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/3s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/3s3tc.jpg



S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/2s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/2s3tc.jpg




S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/5s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/5s3tc.jpg



S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/1s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/1s3tc.jpg

[XaiLo]

S3 - Only
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/4s3.jpg



S3/TC-DC58B
http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/4s3tc.jpg

[FLiPMaRC]

:cool: Great thread! Thanks Xailo ;)

[todo boggy]

This is some sample pictures i took this morning with full 12x zoom of S3 with and without the Sony VCL-DH1758 Telephoto Lens Converter

S3/without TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/bird_without_tele.jpg

S3/with TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/bird_with_tele.jpg

S3/without TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/macromode_without_tele.jpg

S3/with TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/macromode_with_tele.jpg

S3/without TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/bottles_without_tele.jpg

S3/with TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/bottles_with_tele.jpg

S3/without TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/sun_without_tele.jpg

S3/with TC
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/sun_with_tele.jpg

Just like wat Xailo said.....I'm hoping an S3 owner tht has the Raynox DCR-1540PRO would post some sample/test shots here...;)

[jonalta]

Hey guys..
Though I am disappointed with my DCR-2020 PRO, let me share still share some sample shots for other people to view to compare. The masgnification is powerful but the side blur is soo great. Still shots are not very pretty but videos appear very nice.
I will only make a cross-reference to another thread for the comparison shots.. you guys can view them here.
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=155961&postcount=19

[XaiLo]

Go ahead and pop those pics in here. btw pm me and tell me what the exif data was on the 2020 pics.

[BowerR64]

Canon 12X

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/S312X.jpg

Raynox 1850 pro

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/raynox1.jpg

:rolleyes:

[BowerR64]

A540 4X zoom

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/A6404X.jpg

A540 4X with sunpak 2X

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/A6408X.jpg

[TEMPA]

Raynox 1850 pro

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/raynox1.jpg

:rolleyes:


BowerR64,

What's the story with that Raynox pic?
Is that the normal IQ you get or is that flare or something similar on the lens? That pic is atrocious...

TEMPA

[BowerR64]

No idea, i thought all the raynox lenses were good.

I know some work better then others but i figured it was better then this.

[truflip]

wow, jonalta the zoom is powerful but yea.. the softness kills it =( very strong magnification! hmm no go for me.. :( thnx for posting samples =)

[cat]

This is a really useful thread but the more pics i see the more convinced i am that these lenses aren't worth the money! Anyone got any sports shots using an add-on lens? I'm after something that will give me sharp pics with a shallower DOF than the S2 at full tele-photo.... I'm beginning to suspect that I'm going to need to go DSLR to get the results I'm after :(

[BowerR64]

This is a really useful thread but the more pics i see the more convinced i am that these lenses aren't worth the money! Anyone got any sports shots using an add-on lens? I'm after something that will give me sharp pics with a shallower DOF than the S2 at full tele-photo.... I'm beginning to suspect that I'm going to need to go DSLR to get the results I'm after :(

I think your right

[XaiLo]

This is a really useful thread but the more pics i see the more convinced i am that these lenses aren't worth the money! Anyone got any sports shots using an add-on lens? I'm after something that will give me sharp pics with a shallower DOF than the S2 at full tele-photo.... I'm beginning to suspect that I'm going to need to go DSLR to get the results I'm after :(

Cat I know what you mean but take care when you say not worth it...most of these zoom lens run under $150 and give you around 648mm...a good 70mm-200 lens runs around $1600 now to get to 648mm that will cost you $4K plus. This does not take into the consideration the cost of a dSLR body and the time to become proficient with both items.

[BowerR64]

Yeah, when i was at the football game last weekend there were 4 photographers there one taking only player shots for a yearbook and the rest were taking action shots.

One guy was complaining because he only had a 70-200mm lens and he felt it was not nearly long enough. The other person had a 70-400 and she probobly got the best shots. They were talking about the lenses and the one guy with the 200 said i wish i had the money for the 400. I didnt want them to know i was using a 600! lol

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/Kickoff.jpg

[truflip]

you dont wanna carry this around:
http://www.all-things-photography.com/images/1200mm-2.jpg

ok thats exxagerated.. but u get the idea :p

[BowerR64]

Stock S3

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/S312X-1.jpg

iS pro

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/S3proiSlens.jpg

Smaller iS lens with 52mm front threads

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/S352mmiSlens.jpg

[TEMPA]

So what is the general consensus as to which TC to purchase for the S3?

It appears that, as stated earlier by others, anything over 2x can be discounted. 1.5 - 1.7x appear to be the right mark for pic quality etc.

Now to decide on the best one to get. Hmmmmm......

TEMPA

P.S. Bower what lens did you have on when you took the football shot?

[XaiLo]

BowerR64,

What's the story with that Raynox pic?
Is that the normal IQ you get or is that flare or something similar on the lens? That pic is atrocious...

TEMPA

Raynox 1850 pro is in all likelihood a good lens there is no problem with the lens or the camera. the problem lies in the magnification as noted anything beyond 1.7 seems to go hay wire the 1850 as indicated by its name is a 1.85x lens. Therein lies the problem...hth

[BowerR64]

Raynox 1850 pro is in all likelihood a good lens there is no problem with the lens or the camera. the problem lies in the magnification as noted anything beyond 1.7 seems to go hay wire the 1850 as indicated by its name is a 1.85x lens. Therein lies the problem...hth

On the S2 and S3 anyway.

They built it for something, the S2 or S3 just wasnt the camera.

I have a DC58 that looks like dog sh!t also. Its not the DC58A, or the DC58B or N but its just the DC58.

Why im keeping this junk i dont know, i just cant get enough glass.

[TEMPA]

On the S2 and S3 anyway.

They built it for something, the S2 or S3 just wasnt the camera.

I have a DC58 that looks like dog sh!t also. Its not the DC58A, or the DC58B or N but its just the DC58.

Why im keeping this junk i dont know, i just cant get enough glass.

So what do we all run out and buy then? I am just getting confused now..... :confused:

Suggestions????

TEMPA

[XaiLo]

let your eyes be the judge... My recommendation is the Canon TC-DC58B not because I own it but because if I had it to do all over again, I'd still by it for the IQ... The images I posted are not the most dramatic but they are sharp and clear. That's what was important to me and that's whay I chose it...hth

[TEMPA]

let your eyes be the judge... My recommendation is the Canon TC-DC58B not because I own it but because if I had it to do all over again, I'd still by it for the IQ... The images I posted are not the most dramatic but they are sharp and clear. That's what was important to me and that's whay I chose it...hth

I am inclined to agree about the Canon TC but the cost in Oz dollars is up there..... Cheapest is about $170 AUD. Outta my immediate price range....

XaiLo, can you post a pic of the S3 with the Canon TC fitted? I would like to see how it looks.

Do I still need the converter if I go the Canon branded TC? If so there is an extra cost again.

I know about paying for quality etc but surely there is a cheaper lens out there that has a decent IQ... Hopefully any way !!!

Anyone else got a diff TC to post some examples of?

TEMPA

[truflip]

we all post process images.. u can get a TC with just average IQ (not full in colour, a little soft etc..) but then again u can add saturation, sharpness and all that junk in photoshop.. kinda confusing me too.. even if you do MINIMAL photoshopping, youre gonna resize your picture down anyway... i sometimes dont see the point of buying the best equipment and paying large sums when theres photoshop :o

anyway, rant is over and my recommendation goes to the Sony VCL-DH1758.. ive seen too many sample shots that do prove its a worthy lens.. i mean most people wouldnt touch 1.7x TC on cameras like the S3.. the only other TC i know of that was very popular was the Oly Tcon 17 (also 1.7x) however.. when the sony came out, the image quality comparison blew away competition.. then i think Oly decided to discontinue the lens.. :cool:

TEMPA, if i remember, you want to shoot wildlife and want the most zoom possible without compromising quality? well give this site a look and you'll be surprised with the picture :) http://www.aakatz.com/h1whitepaper/part11.htm

I must say this lens may have different coatings compared to the S3.. as it is a Sony going on a Canon.. i cant verify if they have same coats.. i hope this helps :)

[TEMPA]

Sony VCL-DH1758[/B



[B]OUCH !!!!

$279 AUD for this TC. Makes the Canon price look positively cheap...

TEMPA

[truflip]

that hurt a lot huh? its actually cheaper at some stores to get the sony than the canon.. some place price it around the same.. but dang.. i didnt think it would cost that much there.. tried ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SONY-VCL-DH1758-1-7x-TELE-CONVERSION-LENS-VCLDH1758-NEW_W0QQitemZ280038923000QQihZ018QQcategoryZ116190 QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$141 AUS + $22 shipping.. + VAT/TAX much better?
how bout 99.9% rating on over 13,000 transactions? I think this ones safe to buy from :)

[TEMPA]

that hurt a lot huh? its actually cheaper at some stores to get the sony than the canon.. some place price it around the same.. but dang.. i didnt think it would cost that much there.. tried ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SONY-VCL-DH1758-1-7x-TELE-CONVERSION-LENS-VCLDH1758-NEW_W0QQitemZ280038923000QQihZ018QQcategoryZ116190 QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$141 AUS + $22 shipping.. + VAT/TAX much better?
how bout 99.9% rating on over 13,000 transactions? I think this ones safe to buy from :)

Now that's a much better price than the ridiculous prices being charged here. Thanks truflip !!!!

I was just starting to investigate Ebay tonight when I saw your post...

TEMPA

[BowerR64]

For that kind of money, just get another camera and set it up closer to your subject. :D

[todo boggy]

XaiLo, can you post a pic of the S3 with the Canon TC fitted? I would like to see how it looks.

TEMPA

Hehe...Tempa, though u didn't ask for it, thought just wanna show u how the S3 looks like with the Sony TC ;) (sorry bout the quailty of the pic, it's taken using camera phone)
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/todoboggy/ABCD0003.jpg

[truflip]

Now that's a much better price than the ridiculous prices being charged here. Thanks truflip !!!!

I was just starting to investigate Ebay tonight when I saw your post...

TEMPA

heh no prob mate

hey todo! ur using a 52mm, is the silver thing the step ring? bought extra? kinda looks funky but its nice to have that touch if silver ;) thnx for the pic eh:D

[XaiLo]

http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/cam1.jpg

[BowerR64]

http://www.designsbyxailo.com/uploads/oct06/cam1.jpg

Is that the one you dropped? with the broken front lens ring or somthing?

Does it work or is it just a display piece?

[BowerR64]

Stock S3 lens

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/S3stock.jpg

Sony 1546 with a 52-46mm step ring

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/Sony1546.jpg

[todo boggy]

heh no prob mate

hey todo! ur using a 52mm, is the silver thing the step ring? bought extra? kinda looks funky but its nice to have that touch if silver ;) thnx for the pic eh:D

yeah u r right truflip.....initially when i bought the adapter, i only had Raynox in mind thts why i bought the Raynox 52mm adapter. tht silver thing is the step-up ring 52-58mm, i thot it looked funky...so it does look funky eh ;)

[TEMPA]

Hehe...Tempa, though u didn't ask for it, thought just wanna show u how the S3 looks like with the Sony TC ;)


Damn !!! That looks impressive !!!!

So it looks like the best option (and also sadly the most expensive) are the Canon or the Sony TC's. Guess you just have to pay for quality.

Bower - What is the lense you posted examples of earlier in this thread, the one you listed as "iS Pro" those pics look ok to my eyes....

TEMPA

[TEMPA]

XaiLo, Canon TC looks the goods too.

Thanks for the pics of the Sony and Canon TC's guys. I appreciate it.

Now to find the best (read as lowest...) prices in Oz dollars. Oh and let's not forget the need to buy an adaptor too....

I assume I am better off just jumping straight at a 58mm adaptor?

Grrr $$$$. I can feel the pain already......

TEMPA

[XaiLo]

No pain, no gain... :)

[TEMPA]

No pain, no gain... :)

Quite true. A gain of either 1.5 or 1.7X.... :D

TEMPA

[BowerR64]

Damn !!! That looks impressive !!!!

So it looks like the best option (and also sadly the most expensive) are the Canon or the Sony TC's. Guess you just have to pay for quality.

Bower - What is the lense you posted examples of earlier in this thread, the one you listed as "iS Pro" those pics look ok to my eyes....

TEMPA

Its the one on my S3 in my sig (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Cameragear.jpg)

[TEMPA]

Its the one on my S3 in my sig (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Cameragear.jpg)

That's an Ebay jobbie isn't it?

I can't seem to find it currently on Ebay. I think you have posted a link previously to it from memory but I can't find that either...

IQ looks pretty good to me on the examples you posted. Is that the lens you used to take of the kid kicking the football?

Thanks,

TEMPA

[BowerR64]

That's an Ebay jobbie isn't it?

I can't seem to find it currently on Ebay. I think you have posted a link previously to it from memory but I can't find that either...

IQ looks pretty good to me on the examples you posted. Is that the lens you used to take of the kid kicking the football?

Thanks,

TEMPA

Yeah, e-bay jobbie

The kid kicking the football was the canon i think. I use them all randomly, i did however use the iS pro last night.

I shot from my car, i think the field is about 50 yards or so off the road, then they were near the far end of the field. I think about 100-125 yards maybe. Im a bad judge of distance but you can kinda see the distance.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/52mmiSfootball1.jpg

52mm iS lens
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/52mmiSfootball2.jpg

I shot with the smaller one and i forgot i wanted to switch them, i let it get a little dark before i changed to the 58mm (pro larger lens) by then it was a little dark on the field to get decent action shots. The field is kinda old and the lighting for the field is really weak. They are old old lights

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/58mmiSpro.jpg

They both work good IMO

The kid kicking i was on the field near the goal post

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/Kickoff.jpg

[TEMPA]

Yeah, e-bay jobbie

The kid kicking the football was the canon i think. I use them all randomly, i did however use the iS pro last night.

I shot from my car, i think the field is about 50 yards or so off the road, then they were near the far end of the field. I think about 100-125 yards maybe. Im a bad judge of distance but you can kinda see the distance.

I shot with the smaller one and i forgot i wanted to switch them, i let it get a little dark before i changed to the 58mm (pro larger lens) by then it was a little dark on the field to get decent action shots. The field is kinda old and the lighting for the field is really weak. They are old old lights

They both work good IMO



The IQ from those lenses looks pretty damn good to my eyes.

I still can't find them on Ebay...

Any idea on where to look or who the seller was to search for?

Looks to me like I need to investigate cost, shipping etc and choose from the Sony, the Canon and now your Ebay find.

Thanks for your time,

TEMPA

[BowerR64]

This camera really is amazing, you can almost see what is on the menu for dinner.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/Lunch1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/lunchmenu.jpg

Oh, i forgot my ISO speed :o

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/400ISO.jpg

[seanymph]

what do you guys mean when you say, IQ?

sonny

[Mr. Bone88]

what do you guys mean when you say, IQ?

sonny
Hi sonny,

IQ = Image Quality :)

Take care,
-Mr. Bone88

[seanymph]

Mr. Bone88,

thank you so much! i've been wondering what that was for a couple weeks now. i just couldn't figure it out!

sonny d.

[Mr. Bone88]

Mr. Bone88,

thank you so much! i've been wondering what that was for a couple weeks now. i just couldn't figure it out!

sonny d.

You're very welcome, sonny! :) Glad I was able to help you.

Take care,
-Mr. Bone88

[BowerR64]

Anyone see how my settings are in the -? like the sharpness is -2?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/400ISO.jpg

Is that default? i dont remember setting them like that. :confused:

I thought those were only on when your in "my custom colors" in the effects section. I had that in the "my colors off" shouldnt that set everything to a default setting?

[vsjr]

http://129.79.35.49/gallery

Check out some of the bird pictures at the link above.

None of the pictures are anywhere near full quality, most were saved at about 60% quality.
There are some hummingbird pictures in the bird gallery that really show what the teleconverter is capable of.

http://129.79.35.49/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1302&g2_imageViewsIndex=2

This one was taken through two glass doors, handheld....one of my standard disclaimers. I've yet to take a picture under ideal conditions, such as on a tripod with good light, but I'll try to do that soon just to show what the lens can do. I've had this lens for at least a month now and I love it. I'm awaiting the Raynox HD7000 Pro wideangle now. I got that for $101 at 2filter.com today.

[truflip]

vsjr, could u post your 1540 mounted on the S3? n i jus looked at the HD 700 Pro, looks promising. not as wide as competition but its a very small difference, let us know (esp. me) whenu get the wide angle ;) iwanna see some sample pics.. :D

[vsjr]

http://129.79.35.49/images/temp/CanonS3wRaynox1540a.JPG
http://129.79.35.49/images/temp/CanonS3wRaynox1540b.JPG

These are big images, but I wanted anyone to be able to see some detail. One thing you can't see is the nice gold ring on the end of the Raynox lens...just makes it look higher quality ;) Overall the lens really does feel like it's of very good quality and at least with my black model, it doesn't look too bad with everything attached.

In the pics you can see the aluminum barrel adapter, which I got from lensmateonline. I went with the 58mm, and because of that you'll see I need a 58/52mm step down ring. The rubber pieceon the end I got to protect the lens when I set the camera down, rest the end on things to steady the camera, and so that I can press the lens against windows. It was only a few dollars and I'd highly recommend it, if only to protect the finish on the end of the lens.

The setup is heavy, but it's solid and takes great pics.

A couple of other things I forgot to mention. With this setup you don't need to be at full zoom to use it. I've seen it posted somewhere, and I'm not exactly sure how much of the zoom range you have, but I'd say it's at least 50%, probably much more. Second, I think the Raynox site mentions this, but these lenses are threaded on the end. For me that was a significant factor, as at the very least I want to be able to use a polarizing filter.

[XaiLo]

Thanks for the pics people, overall I'm very pleased I picked the Canon on this one.

[truflip]

thanks for the pics! now how about some sample shots please? :D

[BowerR64]

I never really liked the look of the raynox lenses. They should of made them 58mm insted of 52

[downtrodden]

Anyone see how my settings are in the -? like the sharpness is -2?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/400ISO.jpg

Is that default? i dont remember setting them like that. :confused:

I thought those were only on when your in "my custom colors" in the effects section. I had that in the "my colors off" shouldnt that set everything to a default setting?

Bower, default is Zero across the board. When you adjust the in camera sharpness, contrast, vivids etc, it is set across the board as well.. so that if you switch to a different mode, it's still on. Some people have setting they leave on at all times.. like for me, it's saturation plus 1, contrast plus 1 and the sharpness i have set at 0 and sometimes i set it to negative 1.

These are those "Magic" settings people talk about for in camera adjustments..i'll try to find the thread later... But these are all preferance related. Like i believe it may be Xailo who thought the in camera sharpness was too strong and so he turned it down a nitch or two and leaves it that way. I'm pretty sure it was Xailo.. but i could be wrong on that one.

Hope that helps Bower.

~Cory

[BowerR64]

Bower, default is Zero across the board. When you adjust the in camera sharpness, contrast, vivids etc, it is set across the board as well.. so that if you switch to a different mode, it's still on. Some people have setting they leave on at all times.. like for me, it's saturation plus 1, contrast plus 1 and the sharpness i have set at 0 and sometimes i set it to negative 1.

These are those "Magic" settings people talk about for in camera adjustments..i'll try to find the thread later... But these are all preferance related. Like i believe it may be Xailo who thought the in camera sharpness was too strong and so he turned it down a nitch or two and leaves it that way. I'm pretty sure it was Xailo.. but i could be wrong on that one.

Hope that helps Bower.

~Cory

But see if your say in manual and you go to the effects settings you can chose vivid, sepia, B/W, neutral and the "custom effects" are the settings where you change the sharpness and contrast but there is also an option called "effects off" so it shouldnt be setting my custom effects if its to off right?

So what if i set the sharpness to -2 and the contrast to +2 and the satruation to +2 then i chose vivid mode? will it be extreme? i mean vivd is already boosting the contrast and the saturation. I would think the custom settings would only be on if i was on that effect.

[BowerR64]

This one is vivid with the custom settings and sharpness
vivid on
contrast -2
sharpness +1
saturation -2
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/streamsetting1.jpg

This one has vivid off
contrast -2
sharpness +1
saturation -2
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/streamsetting2.jpg

[truflip]

I never really liked the look of the raynox lenses. They should of made them 58mm insted of 52

should have? i definitely agree!

[BowerR64]

should have? i definitely agree!

I think the SLR look is neat, the square lenses look professional and the 58mm just seems to match the S2 and S3 the best. It gives it a neat little attitude, its a smaller camera that looks big.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/iSpro1022copy.jpg

[Changeling]

I think the SLR look is neat, the square lenses look professional and the 58mm just seems to match the S2 and S3 the best. It gives it a neat little attitude, its a smaller camera that looks big.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/iSpro1022copy.jpg

Its always great to look cool, personally I think I always do, just a fact, but my interest is in the quality of the images. How much of a difference is there between 52 and 58MM and which has the most advantages relative to lenses, filters, etc,. Also there interrelation to Tele and Macro photography. This is all relating to the S3 IS of course!
It appears that all the really experienced guys on this site use the 58mm format, why, is it definately the best approach to the best aspects of the S3 IS ?:)
Changeling

[BowerR64]

Well i dont have a good eye for photo composure or somthing so i get into the technical side of it i think or atleast i try. I just got a camera to take pictures of my guitars to trade on e-bay and stuff but now its turned into a full blown hobby or somthing. Im not sure actualy what im doing i just know its fun and cool and im enjoying it alot.

I found an auction on e-bay for a 10 lot of broken FlatFoto 3mp radioshack slim cameras and i never had as much fun with a camera as i have with these things. I fixed 8 of the 10 and gave 3 away. These little cameras shoot in raw and its COOL! There are all these little hacks for it and man what a blast! :D

[XaiLo]

Its always great to look cool, personally I think I always do, just a fact, but my interest is in the quality of the images. How much of a difference is there between 52 and 58MM and which has the most advantages relative to lenses, filters, etc,. Also there interrelation to Tele and Macro photography. This is all relating to the S3 IS of course!
It appears that all the really experienced guys on this site use the 58mm format, why, is it definately the best approach to the best aspects of the S3 IS ?:)
Changeling

There is no difference between the 58mm and 52mm filters either in quality or viewable area. Any obstructions would be in the construction of the filter itself (get a decent filter). 52mm filters are cheaper. Different manurfacturers offer compatible lenses, this does not mean they were made with the S2/S3 in mind. So hence, the various sizes and you would of course match the lens to adapter and not the other way around.

[Wesan]

There is no difference between the 58mm and 52mm filters either in quality or viewable area. Any obstructions would be in the construction of the filter itself (get a decent filter). 52mm filters are cheaper. Different manurfacturers offer compatible lenses, this does not mean they were made with the S2/S3 in mind. So hence, the various sizes and you would of course match the lens to adapter and not the other way around.

What about vignetting? Wouldn't a 58 mm lens or filter give less vignetting (dark corners) than a 52 mm? Since it is larger, it would reduce the vignetting at the wide end of the zoom range, I think. Any thoughts about this? Am I right?

[XaiLo]

What about vignetting? Wouldn't a 58 mm lens or filter give less vignetting (dark corners) than a 52 mm? Since it is larger, it would reduce the vignetting at the wide end of the zoom range, I think. Any thoughts about this? Am I right?

Not necessarily Wesan, I use 52mm filters with no vignetting problems at all. As I stated it has more to do with construction. My Canon tele is 58mm believe me when I say it suffers from vignetting at the wide end big time. You have to think about what actually causes the vignetting to begin with. The outer most lens on the S3 is only 30mm and is recessed only about 10mm. So with a 52mm filter there is already 20mm of clearance built in. The only ways to cause vignetting is to make the glass actually smaller than 52mm or extending the rim outward which produces the same effect as having the additional tubeing of a tele lens attached.

[BowerR64]

They could get rid of it using a larger rear lens or moving the lens closer to the stock lens. The problem is how it moves when it goes into telephoto. Since it moves out you are foced to mount it at its fuethest position then you get vignetting.

[Changeling]

Not necessarily Wesan, I use 52mm filters with no vignetting problems at all. As I stated it has more to do with construction. My Canon tele is 58mm believe me when I say it suffers from vignetting at the wide end big time. You have to think about what actually causes the vignetting to begin with. The outer most lens on the S3 is only 30mm and is recessed only about 10mm. So with a 52mm filter there is already 20mm of clearance built in. The only ways to cause vignetting is to make the glass actually smaller than 52mm or extending the rim outward which produces the same effect as having the additional tubeing of a tele lens attached.

Xailo, thanks for the education, believe me I need it! Something I didn't ask is the lenses you use seem to dictate the use of 52 vs 58 mm.
Do the Sony (VCL-DH1758) and Canon (TC-DC58B lenses discussed above need a 58 mm adapter such as the "LensMate" to function on the S3 IS?

Also, do you know of anyone who has tried the Sony ( DH-1758) lens on the S3 ? Different lens coatings without proof of there compatibility scare the devil out of me!
Thanks a lot, Changeling

[27spots]

Also, do you know of anyone who has tried the Sony ( DH-1758) lens on the S3 ? Different lens coatings without proof of there compatibility scare the devil out of me!

Proof of life! Sony DH1758 attached to Lensmate 58mm S3 IS adapter attached to the S3.

I also have a HOYA HMC Circular Polarizing filter and HOYA HMC UV filter (both not pictured).

[XaiLo]

Xailo, thanks for the education, believe me I need it! Something I didn't ask is the lenses you use seem to dictate the use of 52 vs 58 mm.
Do the Sony (VCL-DH1758) and Canon (TC-DC58B lenses discussed above need a 58 mm adapter such as the "LensMate" to function on the S3 IS?

Also, do you know of anyone who has tried the Sony ( DH-1758) lens on the S3 ? Different lens coatings without proof of there compatibility scare the devil out of me!
Thanks a lot, Changeling

Let me clarify a little both of my filters are 52mm and are expensive. Actually I just checked www.2filter.com and they can now be had for $100 wow I paid nearly twice that for the two, timing is everything. LOL anyway both can also be used on some dslr lenses. If your going after better glass then there is nothing wrong with going 52mm especially when it's cheaper there are quite a few budget shoppers here I am just frugal. But I'll spend money when quality is involved because they meet my needs. You gain nothing by going and paying more for 58mm filters. Unless you have an alternative use for that size. Filters you can pretty much pick and choose your sizes compatible supermacro, macro,wide angle, and tele lenses your at the mercy of the manufactur as to what size they are available in.

danielg, uses the Sony check with him and see if it is the same model but I believe it is. hth

todo boggy uses it... apparently so does 27spots. I started my post before he posted his reply.

[XaiLo]

Proof of life! Sony DH1758 attached to Lensmate 58mm S3 IS adapter attached to the S3.

I also have a HOYA HMC Circular Polarizing filter and HOYA HMC UV filter (both not pictured).


Don't think I officially welcomed you into the community, 27spots. So congrats and welcome aboard glad to have you join us.

[27spots]

Thank you!!!!

I'm really glad I found the forum here. It's a tremendous wealth of info. =)

[BowerR64]

I like how the sony has that little bumper on the front to rest the camera and the lens on, its cool.

[truflip]

me too! looks great and useful! hehehehe.. but dang that things one large chunka lens >.< .. say 500grams or more? :o

[Changeling]

Proof of life! Sony DH1758 attached to Lensmate 58mm S3 IS adapter attached to the S3.

I also have a HOYA HMC Circular Polarizing filter and HOYA HMC UV filter (both not pictured).

27spots nice to meet you. Could you "PLEASE" post a picture of the entire setup with all filters? Please?
Changeling

[Changeling]

There is no difference between the 58mm and 52mm filters either in quality or viewable area. Any obstructions would be in the construction of the filter itself (get a decent filter). 52mm filters are cheaper. Different manurfacturers offer compatible lenses, this does not mean they were made with the S2/S3 in mind. So hence, the various sizes and you would of course match the lens to adapter and not the other way around.

XaiLo, it has finally sunk in thanks to you and Truflips patience, I really do appreciate it!!!. I have decided to go with either the Sony or Canon lens, still just not sure yet.
I am wondering what size filters go in the front of the Sony DH-1758, as Truflip says below "me too! looks great and useful! hehehehe.. but dang that things one large chunka lens >.< .. say 500grams or more? " end quote.

27spots fill me in what size are they?
Changeling

[27spots]

XaiLo, it has finally sunk in thanks to you and Truflips patience, I really do appreciate it!!!. I have decided to go with either the Sony or Canon lens, still just not sure yet.
I am wondering what size filters go in the front of the Sony DH-1758, as Truflip says below "me too! looks great and useful! hehehehe.. but dang that things one large chunka lens >.< .. say 500grams or more? " end quote.

27spots fill me in what size are they?
Changeling

Here's my setup (I don't have the camera with me):

DH-1758 : HOYA HMC UV Filter : HOYA HMC Polarizer : Lensmate Adapter : S3

My original pricture with just the DH1758 and the S3 makes whole camera look A LOT bigger than it actually is (I suppose the saying how the camera 10 adds pounds may apply here).

[Changeling]

Here's my setup (I don't have the camera with me):

DH-1758 : HOYA HMC UV Filter : HOYA HMC Polarizer : Lensmate Adapter : S3

My original pricture with just the DH1758 and the S3 makes whole camera look A LOT bigger than it actually is (I suppose the saying how the camera 10 pounds may apply here).

Thanks 27spots. I don't know what that quote means (I'm New).

What size are the filters in that lens?
Changeling

[27spots]

Thanks 27spots. I don't know what that quote means (I'm New).

What size are the filters in that lens?
Changeling

The filters are 58mm.

The "quote" you're talking just means you're "quoting" something someone previously said and so the forum sets it apart so it's clear you're "quoting" someone. Someone will probably find a better way to say it than I did and will probably "quote" me on it. =)

[TEMPA]

A user on another forum has put up some sample shots on Picasa taken with the S3 at 12X zoom, with a Canon 1.5 X T/C and also a Raynox 2.2 X T/C.

Look here - http://picasaweb.google.com/wmb.porter/20061109ZoomLensTests?authkey=k7erVBSGLsbRgmk-f0q-xFUUiLY

Huge increase in zoom over the standard 12X but very noticeable edge softness and noticeable CA on the outer edges of the shots as well.

But damn that's some impressive zoom power....

TEMPA

[truflip]

hmm the 2.2x raynox is very soft around the edges it seems like its on 70% of the picture in all directions too... only a small portion in the center seems sharp! :(

[pheonix991]

Ok guys, for xmas, I'm thinking about asking for the TC-DC58B, is there anything else I'd need to attach it(adapter or what not)?

Also, what is the model of this adapter/lens w/e it is, the Auto IS PRO. I googled that, and I didn't get any matches(that were that adapter/lens.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Telephoto/iSpro1022copy.jpg

[truflip]

ask bower. he owns a few of those.. he linked us to an ebay store that sells these lens.. forgot the thread...

[Mr. Bone88]

Hi pheonix991,

I believe that this might be the ebay seller that BowerR64 bought his Auto iS tele lens from:

http://stores.ebay.com/Auto-iS-inc

Hope this helps. :)

Take care,
-Mr. Bone88

[truflip]

I think bower is the one that sells these.. the background or stage where those cameras with the lens attached to them looks very familar.... unless bower took them from that ebay site n posted them here... so there u go.. ask bower :p

[pheonix991]

Asked Bower, he said it was the Auto IS Pro! HAhaha, I just couldn't find any on google! Thanks for the ebay links guys!

[BowerR64]

What do you want me to say?

[pheonix991]

What do you want me to say?

I thought it wouldn't be that model. I thought it would be like some 24323nas kind of number!

[BowerR64]

I thought it wouldn't be that model. I thought it would be like some 24323nas kind of number!


oh, its model 54-648mm iS pro :D

[JSPhotos]

http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/h/hy/hyp/hypp/hyppe/hyppe/albums/album15/Panoramic.jpg

This is a picture I took using a Canon Optura 40 camcorder. It (at the time of purchase) was the only camcorder with a 2.0 megapixel camera. I took this picture using the panoramic (stitch) mode. My S3is will be here in a few days, and I was wondering (and hoping) it will have the same mode. Any help on this? Expect to hear from me a lot more, I just discovered this board! Avid photographer, I travel a lot. Thanks!!

[XaiLo]

Yes the S3 does have a stitch mode. :confused: but what does that have to do with a tele comparison :confused: LOL Anywho congrats on your purchase and welcome to the community. Glad to have you join us. Please feel free to share some of your new S3 pics with us in the "Some S3 Pics" thread... talk to ya soon. ;) Happy shooting.

[JSPhotos]

I don't think I even realized what topic I was in... I was on all of them last night reading... thanks for the reply! :D

[JSPhotos]

Ok, so moment of truth. Having both the Canon TC-DC58B and the Sony VCL-DH1758 in my shopping cart on amazon... along with a Bower 58mm lens adapter and Hoya UV filter on the way already... which am I going with? 734mm with the Sony sure does sound impressive... but the pictures you took Xailo, using the Canon's... look to have superb quality, over the pictures on this thread using the Sony. Ughhh... The camera won't be in until monday I am guessing... so I have a few days to decide still... just want to get some good shots of Afghanistan before I leave here February.. lots of mountains I'd love to get with a TC.

Sorry about that picture from before... I didn't plan on it being so large and messing with the layout of the page!!

[TEMPA]

[COLOR="Blue"] Having both the Canon TC-DC58B and the Sony VCL-DH1758 in my shopping cart on amazon.

Where are you located currently? I don't think Amazon will ship the teleconverters outside the US. I looked at the Sony with a view to purchasing from Amazon until I noticed the restriction on shipping.

You better check it out....

TEMPA

[JSPhotos]

Thank you for the heads up Tempa! Being an Amazon Prime member, two-day shipping being free, I was just going to two day it to my parents, and have them send it out to me. I run into the APO shipping problem all the time with various sites, some of them charging outrageous prices, and the others not even shipping APO. Anyhow, I have found way around these problems, and parents are usually the best route! LOL

[XaiLo]

Ok, so moment of truth. Having both the Canon TC-DC58B and the Sony VCL-DH1758 in my shopping cart on amazon... along with a Bower 58mm lens adapter and Hoya UV filter on the way already... which am I going with? 734mm with the Sony sure does sound impressive... but the pictures you took Xailo, using the Canon's... look to have superb quality, over the pictures on this thread using the Sony. Ughhh... The camera won't be in until monday I am guessing... so I have a few days to decide still... just want to get some good shots of Afghanistan before I leave here February.. lots of mountains I'd love to get with a TC.

In photography I've come to learn there are just tradeoffs that you'll have to live with and the three top TCs are no different. You have to choose what's more Important to you. For me it was image quality ergo I went with the Canon. This comparison was not available when I made my choice but I did my own. I collected different pics, on different sites, of all the lenses and put them in a folder. Far as I could tell Canon had the superior image quality. You won't be disappointed with it. :)

[JSPhotos]

Thanks for the advice. I think I will go ahead and get the Canon TC with the compliments you have given on the product Xailo.

[Wesan]

I think bower is the one that sells these.. the background or stage where those cameras with the lens attached to them looks very familar.... unless bower took them from that ebay site n posted them here... so there u go.. ask bower :p

I think you might be right - that it is BowerR64 who is the seller. If you click on an item for sale on the page (http://stores.ebay.com/Auto-iS-inc) and then click on the sellers name (realcreepy), the picture of the seller looks familiar - I think BowerR64 posted it here somewhere sometime. ;)

But there's nothing wrong with it, if he's the seller, I think. Is there? :)

[TEMPA]

Hey guys,

I have borrowed from a relative, a 2x T/C to use on the S3 so I can convince myself they are no good.

It has worked brilliantly in proving to me they simply are not compatible... The pics are shocking. The T/C I have been trying iappears to be a single chunk of glass whereas I get the impression from what I have read the Sony lens is made up seperate lenses within the body.

What I have also seen is the autofocus rarely gives a green box with the 2X lens attached. Is this an issue with the Sony 1.7X as well? I am wanting the Sony but it worries me that the autofocus may become very hit and miss like I am seeing currently.

Can anyone confirm if there is a decrease in the accuracy of the autofocus when using the better quality T/C's like the Sony or the Canon?

Thanks TEMPA

[XaiLo]

I haven't noticed any with the Canon if anything it's better. :)

[ditchazeroth]

hiyall, new here. just got an S3 IS a few weeks back - having a blast. anyway, i was just skimming through this thread and snap! that is some telephoto rig you got there @27spots! i was actually checking lensmate, but found something i think is wayyyy better; the holy moly of S3 IS lenses (at least, to my knowledge) - the raynox DCR-2020PRO (http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/digital/S2is/index.htm). i've been checking their website and gave up looking for prices. does anybody know how much this thing costs? while the thought of getting a DSLR, probably a 350d or 400d is very enticing, i love my S3 IS. i'll stick with this indefinitely.

otherwise, any suggestions on what i should get? i want to do a lot of tele shots (the main reason why i got the S3 IS). anyway, thanks ^_^

[truflip]

I haven't noticed any with the Canon if anything it's better. :)

I think he said Sony.. and is interested in Sony :p

By the way u should PM danielg. hes got the Sony TC. might wanna try PMing him on flickr too if u got that

[drama]

FlipMarc:
Thanks for the heads up on this thread
This thread is exactly what I was looking for
I am thinking canon TC now,saw a deal on Amazon for 118 $ with the canon adapter & hood :)

[XaiLo]

hiyall, new here. just got an S3 IS a few weeks back - having a blast. anyway, i was just skimming through this thread and snap! that is some telephoto rig you got there @27spots! i was actually checking lensmate, but found something i think is wayyyy better; the holy moly of S3 IS lenses (at least, to my knowledge) - the raynox DCR-2020PRO (http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/digital/S2is/index.htm). i've been checking their website and gave up looking for prices. does anybody know how much this thing costs? while the thought of getting a DSLR, probably a 350d or 400d is very enticing, i love my S3 IS. i'll stick with this indefinitely.

otherwise, any suggestions on what i should get? i want to do a lot of tele shots (the main reason why i got the S3 IS). anyway, thanks ^_^


Sorry for this late reply but the DCR-2020PRO is incompatible with the "S3". I believe there is a reference to that issue in this thread by a user.

[kilasting]

Bower64 Would you say that you recommend getting the Auto is pro lens off ebay? or getting another TC lens like sony or canon...

Confused..

Thanks

[BowerR64]

Im pleading the fif, one two three four FIIIIIF!!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Junk/FIF.jpg

[AaronBBrown]

One guy was complaining because he only had a 70-200mm lens and he felt it was not nearly long enough. The other person had a 70-400 and she probobly got the best shots. They were talking about the lenses and the one guy with the 200 said i wish i had the money for the 400. I didnt want them to know i was using a 600! lol


To be fair, unless they had full frame sensors (Canon 1D/5D), a 70-200 lens has a range of 112-320mm and a 100-400 lens has a range of 160-640mm.

[BowerR64]

Yeah they were both using SLR cameras. They both had the canon L lens, he said his was not quite long enough. Im not sure wich model camera they both had but they wernt P&S like i had. They were the high end cameras.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Llens.jpg

The shots i got were just as close as hers.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/jake16.gif

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/BowerR64/Camera/Chiefsvslong1.jpg

[CompUGen]

Canon S2/IS
Picture taken of Telephone Pole Bag (12x zoom)
18590

Picture taken of Telephone Pole (12x zoom)
18591

Picture taken of Stop sign (12x zoom)
18592

Picture taken of phots but w/ (Raynox DCR-154PRO)
18593

18594

18595

[jonalta]

hiyall, new here. just got an S3 IS a few weeks back - having a blast. anyway, i was just skimming through this thread and snap! that is some telephoto rig you got there @27spots! i was actually checking lensmate, but found something i think is wayyyy better; the holy moly of S3 IS lenses (at least, to my knowledge) - the raynox DCR-2020PRO (http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/digital/S2is/index.htm). i've been checking their website and gave up looking for prices. does anybody know how much this thing costs? while the thought of getting a DSLR, probably a 350d or 400d is very enticing, i love my S3 IS. i'll stick with this indefinitely.

otherwise, any suggestions on what i should get? i want to do a lot of tele shots (the main reason why i got the S3 IS). anyway, thanks ^_^

I hope you can still view this reply, ditchazeroth. I own a DCR-2020pro for about 4 months now. I think I only took less than 10 shots with it. It has since then been inside its box and I never used again. The power is awesome but the quality is very poor for the S3. The only clear part is about 20&#37; at the center then it gets blurred going to the edges. It has too much purple fringing as well as when I tried to take a shot of the moon. Although I am thinking of using it during field concerts or games. It does take very good videos with the S3 though...

I have post some shots in this forum. you can check these out here:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?p=155961#post155961

[ditchazeroth]

thanks for the save @jonalta. 12x is plenty enuf, getting the 2020pro would be overkill - and image quality is priority one.

at this point, i'm just going to get a 58mm adapter and a hoya CPL, as well as a UV filter... and maybe a petal hood (for good looks ;) ) i'm looking for a heavy duty white-colored adapter - i wonder where we could get one? i found one at ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-S3-58mm-lens-adapter-Canon-S3-IS-58mm-lens-tube_W0QQitemZ170052351518QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11618 6QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) but looking at the build quality, i'd rather get a black lensmate adapter or the canon adapter. i just want filters now. the next thing would be a good slave flash. any ideas? ^_^

[jonalta]

thanks for the save @jonalta. 12x is plenty enuf, getting the 2020pro would be overkill - and image quality is priority one.
at this point, i'm just going to get a 58mm adapter and a hoya CPL, as well as a UV filter... and maybe a petal hood (for good looks ;) ) i'm looking for a heavy duty white-colored adapter - i wonder where we could get one? i found one at ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-S3-58mm-lens-adapter-Canon-S3-IS-58mm-lens-tube_W0QQitemZ170052351518QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11618 6QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) but looking at the build quality, i'd rather get a black lensmate adapter or the canon adapter. i just want filters now. the next thing would be a good slave flash. any ideas? ^_^
you're welcome. I have seen others who are using the white adapter from Auto IS, Inc thru eBay. It does look cool on an S2, but i prefer black on the S3. I like the rubber ring in the Auto IS adapter (although i dont have one). If you want durability, better go for the lensmate adapter because the canon adapter is plastic.
I am using a simple Panasonic slave flash although any slave flash would work. it all depends on the power you need. There might be a thread here for slave flashes.
Oh, i found this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-S3-canon-powershot-S3-high-power-slave-flash_W0QQitemZ170067149359QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1521 5QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) on the same Auto IS site.

[CompUGen]

Its always great to look cool, personally I think I always do, just a fact, but my interest is in the quality of the images. How much of a difference is there between 52 and 58MM and which has the most advantages relative to lenses, filters, etc,. Also there interrelation to Tele and Macro photography. This is all relating to the S3 IS of course!
It appears that all the really experienced guys on this site use the 58mm format, why, is it definately the best approach to the best aspects of the S3 IS ?:)
Changeling

I just want to know what kind of lens is that?

[ditchazeroth]

it all depends on the power you need. There might be a thread here for slave flashes.
Oh, i found this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-S3-canon-powershot-S3-high-power-slave-flash_W0QQitemZ170067149359QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1521 5QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) on the same Auto IS site.
i don't need too much. i was actually thinking of getting a vivitar df200 (http://www.amazon.com/Vivitar-DF200-Digital-Flash-200/dp/B00009MKJ2)... i'll just find a way of mounting it on my s3. as for the adapter, i just may get a lensmate - if i don't get to finish the one i've been making... good thing my dad has a drill press ^O^

[shtoink]

I have only just stumbled on this forum, but have had my S3 IS since it was released. I managed to get mine for a screaming deal, but that isn't the reason for this post.

I have been trying to make heads or tails out of all the information given in this thread. I'd love to be able to see all the info presented here in a comparison chart so that anyone can just look at the TC and see the dimensions, capability, pros and cons and any other information that might be helpful in one nice chart. It has answered quite a few questions, but brought up several more.

I'd be willing to do the compiling of the data in to a chart, but I'd most likely need help doing it.