Finepix S6000fd

[littlelump20]

I have heard nothing but rave reviews about the F30 and it's processor and the high ISO capabilities. Now having seen that there is a much more flexible camera, the S6000FD, coming out soon, I was just wondering if there might be a review coming up anytime soon. Or if anyone knows of a site that might have sample images taken with this camera. Also, I was just wondering if anyone, like Canon for example, is coming out with any nonDSLR cameras with processors that can compete with the Fujifilm SuperCCD in terms of high ISO performance. Thanks,
Frederick

[Duwenbasden]

Probably not -- The SuperCCD is originally designed to double the MP output of its sensor size (E550 can do a 12MP photo from a 6/6MP SuperCCD), right now the 6MP of the S6000fd is just the sensor doing a 6MP, blowing it up to 12MP, then back down to 6MP again. The high ISO performance is mostly contributed by the shrinking down of the photo.

[coldrain]

Probably not -- The SuperCCD is originally designed to double the MP output of its sensor size (E550 can do a 12MP photo from a 6/6MP SuperCCD), right now the 6MP of the S6000fd is just the sensor doing a 6MP, blowing it up to 12MP, then back down to 6MP again. The high ISO performance is mostly contributed by the shrinking down of the photo.
That is not how it works at all. The sensor has a small and a bigger receptor per pixel, each having a different sensitivity to light. These two get combined to give a much bigger dynamic range. This also results into lower noise, combined with good noise reduction algorythms. There is no 12 to 6 mp step.

[Jeff Keller]

That is not how it works at all. The sensor has a small and a bigger receptor per pixel, each having a different sensitivity to light. These two get combined to give a much bigger dynamic range. This also results into lower noise, combined with good noise reduction algorythms. There is no 12 to 6 mp step.

I think you're confusing the two types of SuperCCD sensor. The one you're talking about is the SuperCCD SR, which hasn't been used in quite a while. Almost all of Fuji's recent cameras use the HR sensor, which doesn't have the two receptors.

[littlelump20]

I appreciate all the feedback so far. However, my question is not so much about how the fujifilm sensors themselves. I am more concerned with 1)where I can find sample images from the new Fujifilm S6000FD (and a review if possible) and 2)if anyone knows if there are any manufacturers planning to introduce any nonDSLR, fixed-lens cameras that can compete with the Fujifilm F30 sensor in terms of high ISO performance?

Thanks again,
Frederick

[coldrain]

I think you're confusing the two types of SuperCCD sensor. The one you're talking about is the SuperCCD SR, which hasn't been used in quite a while. Almost all of Fuji's recent cameras use the HR sensor, which doesn't have the two receptors.
As far as I understand from magazine articles (which I sadly can not find on the moment) and reading about it the last year or two, 4th generation HR are a lot different from the 5th (F10/11/30, S9000/5200, E-900) and 6th (F30) generation.

Where the older HR designated SuperCCDs (4th gen) would double resolution by interpolating pixels between the diodes from neighbouring pixels, and therefore make out of 6mp -> 12mp, the 5th gen takes a different approach.
Like the SR designated 4th gen series, the 5th gen HR has smaller and bigger diodes, where the smaller ones are put in the gaps between the bigger ones.

The 5th gen. does not make up pixels anymore by interpolating, but instead averages the smaller and bigger diodes, making both noise and dynamic range better. Where the 4th gen. would have 6 million big diodes interpolating that to 12mp, the 5th and 6th gen. have 3 million big diodes, 3 million small diodes, which make up 6 million together (in case of a 6mp camera). The advanced "real photo" processor averages the sensitivity between the big and small diodes and also does what in "normal" bayer configuration sensor cameras happens, and that is to guess the correct colour information of for instance blue and red for green pixels, by looking at blue and red neighbouring pixels. (Same of course for red and blue pixels).

If anyone can find actual Fuji information on the 5th or 6th generation SuperCCD that would be helpful. And if someone knows it better, of course that is also informative.