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dreamer85
05-29-2006, 01:02 AM
I have spent over a week researching digital cameras, and have gone from someone who didn't know a thing about digital camera features, to someone who knows pretty much what I want but is frustrated trying to find that perfect one out of the myriad out there! I have tried a couple "product advisors," but didn't get exactly what I was looking for, so I finally decided to try some real, live advice from real people.

My answers:

* What budget have you allocated for buying this camera? Please be as specific as possible. I'm thinking to spend up to $300, but am certainly willing to go over to get exactly what I want. Nothing over $500 though.


* What size camera are you looking for? Or does size not matter at all to you? Size is pretty important, though it's just a matter of preference, and I would forget my preference if that was the only way to get all my other requirements. I would prefer a medium-sized camera or perhaps a compact, but I don't really care for ultra-compact, and I really don't want to have to get an SLR-sized one.


*How many megapixels will suffice for you? Five or six would be ideal, though I would possibly go with four.

* What optical zoom will you need? (None, Standard = 3x-4x, Ultrazoom = 10x-12x, Other - Specify) Having optical zoom is very important. Standard will do (4x would be better than 3). I'd love to have a higher zoom but don't want to sacrifice my size preference for it. If there was a medium-sized camera with the capability of adding lenses, that would be great.

* How important is “image quality” to you? (Rate using a scale of 1-10) 10

*Do you care for manual controls? Yes. I'm not a professional, so I don't want an overwhelming array of manual controls, but I would like some to learn and experiment with.


* What will you generally use the camera for? Everything. This is my first digital camera and is intended to replace my film camera. I will take it everywhere and probably take a ton of pictures in all kinds of situations. I want to be able to take good quality movies too, and a lot of it, so I require the camera to have 640x480 movie mode using MPEG-4 compression. I would love a voice recorder as well (separate from sound with the movie (which is imperative) and voice tags for photos, which would also be nice), but the only cameras I have found that feature on so far are Samsungs and Casios, and I couldn't find ones that had good reviews that also had everything I wanted.

* Will you be making big prints of your photos or not? Yes. I would like the capability of printing good quality 8x10's, but I don't need bigger.

*Will you be shooting a lot of indoor photos or low light photos? Yes, pictures of family. But I will be taking a lot of outdoor pics too. I love taking nature and landscape pics.

*Will you be shooting sports and/or action photos? Yes. I would like to be able to capture active kids and animals.


Are there particular brands you like or hate? I am mainly thinking of a Kodak or Sony. I don't really want Canon, Nikon, Olympus, or Fuji because I didn't see any that had the movie format I want.

Are there particular models you already have in mind? No, that's why I'm posting here.

(If applicable) Do you need any of the following special features? (Wide Angle, Image Stabilization, Weatherproof, Hotshoe, Rotating LCD) Wide angle would be nice for panoramic shots, but again I'm not willing to sacrifice my size preference for it. And again it would be nice if there was a medium-sized camera that I could put an optional wide-angle lens onto if I want. Image Stabilization isn't so important (I'm young!), especially if it sacrifices image quality. Though image stability for movie mode would be a good thing. The other features mentioned aren't important. Oh, and about the LCD. I would like it fairly large, no smaller than 1.8, preferably 2 and over, and I would like it bright and viewable outdoors. An optical viewfinder isn't too important to me, unless I couldn't get a bright LCD. Oh, and still one more specification––batteries. I want rechargeable batteries, either NIMH or lithium, and I would want the battery life to be good enough to last on a day hike.

Phew! I think that covers everything. I hope I didn't give too much information. Most likely I have conflicting requirements which is why I can't seem to find the "perfect" camera, but I'm hoping that I'll come closer to that perfect camera by your recommendations than I did with automatic product advisors. Thank you in advance for your help!

Duwenbasden
05-30-2006, 12:41 AM
>I want to be able to take good quality movies too, and a lot of it, so I require
>the camera to have 640x480 movie mode using MPEG-4 compression.

Canon Elura 100 $400. Seriously, if you are taking movies, buy a camcorder -- 60 min of video for $5.

dreamer85
05-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Maybe I should clarify. I know that a movie feature on a digital camera is not going to make movies equal to a camcorder––I'm not expecting that. But since I can't afford both a still camera and a camcorder, and I would rather have a still camera, I would like an acceptable movie mode on the digital still camera. "Acceptable" to me is as I specified: MPEG-4; VGA 640x480.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway. If I can ever get a camcorder, I will look into that.

bascom
05-30-2006, 02:50 PM
I have spent over a week researching digital cameras, and have gone from someone who didn't know a thing about digital camera features, to someone who knows pretty much what I want but is frustrated trying to find that perfect one out of the myriad out there!
I spent 5 months researching before I bought my first digicam. When i read your questionaire I was thinking Canon A610 until the part insisting on MPEG-4.

As Duwenbasden implied, I think your demand for MPEG-4 and great video may be the holdup here. The main purpose of a camera is photos, not video. And what's so good about MPEG-4? Most cameras take video 640 x 480 video at 30fps so isn't that good enough regardless of the format (mpeg, avi, qt, etc.)?

But if you insist on MPEG-4 the Sony P200, W50, and Kodak V550 are some good options. Good Non-MPEG options are Canon A610, Casio Z120. But the W50 and V550 only have EC manual control, the others give you more controls.

dreamer85
05-30-2006, 03:41 PM
Thank you very much. Yeah, you've made me reconsider my insistence for MPEG-4. I wanted that because you can get a whole lot more per MB (an hour with a GB card) but I suppose, why would I need to film an hour at a time anyway (if I did, I could go with a camcorder). So thanks for your recommendations!

bascom
05-31-2006, 08:30 AM
1GB/hour = 16MB/min = 278k/sec. That's about the same size I get for AVI videos with my A610, so I don't see MPEG saving much space. But I have heard from others that MPEG-4 saves space. It would be nice to see a comparison chart somewhere.

dreamer85
05-31-2006, 09:01 PM
Well, I haven't seen a comparison chart, but I've looked at the specifications in the manuals for two Casio cameras; one that uses Motion JPeg AVI for movies, and one that uses MPEG-4.

The AVI:
At high quality 640x480, you can get 3 minutes & 16 seconds worth of movie on a 256 MB card. With normal 640x480, you can get 5 minutes & 27 seconds.

The MPEG-4:
At high quality 640x480, you can get 8 minutes & 32 seconds off a 256 MB card. With normal, you get 16 minutes & 14 seconds.

So by these stats anyway, MPEG is much more efficient.

Duwenbasden
05-31-2006, 10:35 PM
2GB SD cards for $60 might re-reconsider your options.

with MPEG-4: I recommend none.

without:
Canon A700
Panasonic TZ1
Fuji F30
Leica C LUX1 / Pana FX01
Canon SD600

AVI is a container format: DivX/MPEG-4, DV, Quicktime all uses AVI.
MPEG is MPEG4 and MPEG2.

dreamer85
06-01-2006, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the recommendations. I especially like the Panasonic. But sorry to change my mind on you all, I've done a ton more research and decided that I don't mind an SLR-like camera after all, and that top image quality in both indoor and outdoor situations is my top priority, and that I do really want ultra-zoom. So I have fallen in love with the Sony DSC-H2.

A few questions: What are all its competitors? (so that I'm sure to have considered everything) Any reason I shouldn't go with the Sony (besides the memory card format)? Any reason why I should consider one of its competitors instead? And how does the size compare with more compact cameras? Would the DSC-H2 still fit in a case that I could put on my belt? Thanks!

John_Reed
06-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Thanks for the recommendations. I especially like the Panasonic. But sorry to change my mind on you all, I've done a ton more research and decided that I don't mind an SLR-like camera after all, and that top image quality in both indoor and outdoor situations is my top priority, and that I do really want ultra-zoom. So I have fallen in love with the Sony DSC-H2.

A few questions: What are all its competitors? (so that I'm sure to have considered everything) Any reason I shouldn't go with the Sony (besides the memory card format)? Any reason why I should consider one of its competitors instead? And how does the size compare with more compact cameras? Would the DSC-H2 still fit in a case that I could put on my belt? Thanks!I think you should at least consider the Panasonic DMC-FZ30 in your matrix, as I think it shoots circles around the Sony H2. However, it's not "belt-able!" In the opinion of many folks, the FZ30 is the best ultra-zoom camera around. Pocketable? I'd say the TZ1. Otherwise the FZ30. I own both of these cameras, and will vouch for them.

bascom
06-01-2006, 03:22 PM
A few questions: What are all its competitors? (so that I'm sure to have considered everything) Any reason I shouldn't go with the Sony (besides the memory card format)? Any reason why I should consider one of its competitors instead? And how does the size compare with more compact cameras? Would the DSC-H2 still fit in a case that I could put on my belt? Thanks!
Read the H5 review here. The H2 is very similar, I think LCD size may be the only diff. At the bottom of the review it lists competitors.

I think the H2 would be too big and heavy for a belt but I'm not sure. I find the H2 controller too small.

coldrain
06-01-2006, 03:52 PM
Read the H5 review here. The H2 is very similar, I think LCD size may be the only diff. At the bottom of the review it lists competitors.

I think the H2 would be too big and heavy for a belt but I'm not sure. I find the H2 controller too small.
The main difference is the sensor. The H2 has the same sensor as the Canon S3 IS (6 mp) while the H5 has a 7mp sensor.

Duwenbasden
06-01-2006, 06:36 PM
That's because Sony isn't as good of image quality as Canon.

dreamer85
06-02-2006, 05:35 PM
Now I'm leaning towards the Panasonic TZ-1. The smaller size and price tag attract me, as do the quality of pictures I've seen taken with it. But it's not one you can attach other lenses to, is it? Are there any cameras that have both a wide-angle lens and ultra-zoom? Probably not within my price range, eh? :( I would really like to be able to take both close-up shots of nature, and sweeping panoramic shots of beautiful Northwest landscapes, without buying two cameras!

This may be an ignorant question, but when you have a camera with an optional wide angle lens, do you have to keep taking off the additional lens in order to get close-up shots?

Thanks for all your continuing help.

Militaris
06-02-2006, 07:20 PM
The dual lens Kodaks could be of interest. I suggest having a look at the Kodak EasyShare V570. It has a fixed 23mm wide angle lens and a more traditional lens, it records movies in MPEG-4. But it does lack manual controls, and is quite compact.

The Kodak EasyShare V610, would be another option but lacks the wide angle lens.

The Fuji FinePix S9000 lens goes from 28mm - 300mm, but it is a bit bulky and pricy.

It is possible to buy adapter lenses for many of the larger compact cameras, but they are quite expensive and increase the bulk.