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Terracotta
11-03-2004, 11:25 AM
After looking at lenses I've decided I'm going to go for Nikon as my lens format, thus. maybe rashly, I've got my self a Nikon D70 body only but I've only really got enough cash for a ~100 lens so which would you get? My candidates are -

Sigma 18-50mm f/3.5-5.6 DC
Sigma 24-70mm f/3.5-5.6 HF
Sigma 28-135mm f/3.8-5.6 ASPHERICAL MACRO
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D

My thought is 50mm, it's a standard lens, while it's not quite as useful on a 1.5 crop digital it's still very useful and is almost a 'must get', however I'm very interested in the 60mm f/2.8 macro lens. The other lens that interest me is the 28-135 as I'm tending to find most of my work is close-focus or done around the max zoom on my A95 & the S414 before that. What would you suggest and why?

Rhys
11-03-2004, 12:06 PM
After looking at lenses I've decided I'm going to go for Nikon as my lens format, thus. maybe rashly, I've got my self a Nikon D70 body only but I've only really got enough cash for a ~100 lens so which would you get? My candidates are -

Sigma 18-50mm f/3.5-5.6 DC
Sigma 24-70mm f/3.5-5.6 HF
Sigma 28-135mm f/3.8-5.6 ASPHERICAL MACRO
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D

My thought is 50mm, it's a standard lens, while it's not quite as useful on a 1.5 crop digital it's still very useful and is almost a 'must get', however I'm very interested in the 60mm f/2.8 macro lens. The other lens that interest me is the 28-135 as I'm tending to find most of my work is close-focus or done around the max zoom on my A95 & the S414 before that. What would you suggest and why?


The 50mm will be around 85mm effectively since there's about a 1.6 times magnification factor involved.

I'd get the Nikon as Sigmas can be very variable in quality.

D70FAN
11-03-2004, 03:19 PM
After looking at lenses I've decided I'm going to go for Nikon as my lens format, thus. maybe rashly, I've got my self a Nikon D70 body only but I've only really got enough cash for a ~100 lens so which would you get? My candidates are -

Sigma 18-50mm f/3.5-5.6 DC
Sigma 24-70mm f/3.5-5.6 HF
Sigma 28-135mm f/3.8-5.6 ASPHERICAL MACRO
Nikon 50mm f/1.8 D

My thought is 50mm, it's a standard lens, while it's not quite as useful on a 1.5 crop digital it's still very useful and is almost a 'must get', however I'm very interested in the 60mm f/2.8 macro lens. The other lens that interest me is the 28-135 as I'm tending to find most of my work is close-focus or done around the max zoom on my A95 & the S414 before that. What would you suggest and why?

While I generally respect Rhys opinion, on this, we disagree. The 18-50mm will give you much more utility (now 27mm-75mm on the D70). You can always get the 50mm f1.8 which on the D70 is a 75mm (1.5x crop) f1.8.

Sigma lenses work well but are not typically pro-grade (meaning they wouldn't last long in a photojournalists kit). I have the 18-125 and it works great (as good or better than the Nikkor 18-70 it lens).

You will be disappointed in zoom lenses, as an everyday lens, starting at 28mm as this is almost "neutral" on the D70 at 42mm.

I now have 4 lenses for my D70, with the "kit' lens collecting dust, and the Sigma as my day-to-day lens. The 50mm f1.8 cost $60 used, and I use it frequently, but not every day. I also have a 70-300mm AF G that, while cheap ($150), has many good characteristics when used on a tripod, and above f8 (for most focal lengths).

If you don't need pro grade lenses (and most of us don't) there are many economy lenses out there that work just fine as long as you know their limitations. Many of the Sigmas fall into that catagory.

Having the wide-angle (18mm) available will save you a lot of agrivation down the road.

Rhys
11-03-2004, 05:51 PM
While I generally respect Rhys opinion, on this, we disagree. The 18-50mm will give you much more utility (now 27mm-75mm on the D70). You can always get the 50mm f1.8 which on the D70 is a 75mm (1.5x crop) f1.8.

Sigma lenses work well but are not typically pro-grade (meaning they wouldn't last long in a photojournalists kit). I have the 18-125 and it works great (as good or better than the Nikkor 18-70 it lens).


An excellent example of just how poor Sigma lenses can be is shown here: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sigma/sd10-review/IMG00941.jpg Pay particular attention to the soft patches on the picture. The lens is not evenly sharp across the whole frame. There are soft patches in the middle (not at the edges).

D70FAN
11-04-2004, 06:13 AM
An excellent example of just how poor Sigma lenses can be is shown here: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sigma/sd10-review/IMG00941.jpg Pay particular attention to the soft patches on the picture. The lens is not evenly sharp across the whole frame. There are soft patches in the middle (not at the edges).

Yes I remember this picture from the SD10 review. It's pretty bad.

In all fairness this is one shot using the Sigma SD10 (not a D70), and the lens in question is a 28-70 (not recommended for dSLR use). I have had several shots that turned out poorly especially at lower aperture settings with various zoom lenses. But you learn these things as you go.

Terracotta
11-04-2004, 10:48 AM
Though I'll miss the wide end I can live without it for a month or so, and then I'll be able to get a 2nd & maybe 3rd lens, say a Tamron 17-35mm f/2.8-4 or Tamron 19-35mm and Nikon 28-200mm combo.

D70FAN
11-04-2004, 03:59 PM
Though I'll miss the wide end I can live without it for a month or so, and then I'll be able to get a 2nd & maybe 3rd lens, say a Tamron 17-35mm f/2.8-4 or Tamron 19-35mm and Nikon 28-200mm combo.

I can't answer that except from my own point-of-view. If you are accustomed to all-in-one's starting at 36mm then this won't be a big adjustment, and generally just covers interior shots where you can't back-up to compensate for the limited field of view.

So it may not be a big deal for your usage. Just remember the 50mm f1.8 is actually a 75mm f1.8. on the D70. If that were my only choice I could get along OK. Actually I'm looking to try medium format film (120/220) and the base lens is a 75mm f2.8, so I may cross that bridge soon as well.

Rhys
11-05-2004, 12:19 PM
I can't answer that except from my own point-of-view. If you are accustomed to all-in-one's starting at 36mm then this won't be a big adjustment, and generally just covers interior shots where you can't back-up to compensate for the limited field of view.

So it may not be a big deal for your usage. Just remember the 50mm f1.8 is actually a 75mm f1.8. on the D70. If that were my only choice I could get along OK. Actually I'm looking to try medium format film (120/220) and the base lens is a 75mm f2.8, so I may cross that bridge soon as well.

There are some real bargains to be had with secondhand medium format kit at the moment. I don't really see a need with medium format for lenses other than 50mm, 90mm and 135mm. Most medium format users stick with 90mm.

Terracotta
11-05-2004, 12:28 PM
Deal done now I'm using a D70 with 50mm f/1.8. Just took a blurred photo of the cat looking rather startled after the flash poped up (daft thing will sit there watching the fireworks without flinching but then jump when the D70's flash pops up).

D70FAN
11-05-2004, 01:02 PM
There are some real bargains to be had with secondhand medium format kit at the moment. I don't really see a need with medium format for lenses other than 50mm, 90mm and 135mm. Most medium format users stick with 90mm.

Agreed. I have been talking to a couple of guys using 120/220 and that seems to be the standard range of lenses. The Pentax (645) has 75, 105, and 135 as it's standard set. There is a 35mm available as well. My primary usage is as a "special picture" camera, since I'm not real crazy about the way digital handles higher dynamic range required by some shots. The D70 will make a heck of a nice light meter though. :D

And since I've never been able to afford medium format equipment this will be something new. I definately can't afford digital medium format with backs running $16K-$25K. Thank goodness for digital, now I have to jump in, while it's cheap, before these guys realize they've been had. ;)