Where's the TZ1??

[mystro544]

Hi Mystro544

do you have a link to the photos. I would really like to see them, as I am not to happy with Panasonics results

Hi Dennis,some of John Reeds photos are in this thread:

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19115

[Dmares]

Last weekend I attended a 50th birthday party and gave my camera a real run for the money with the video feature. The videos came out great and were pretty long. I Filled up my SD card which is 1 gig. Anyway, last night I went to make a dvd to give to the birthday boy as a gift, and ran into some road blocks. The files are MOV and not compatable with dvd burning software. My son in-law who was trying to burn the dvd finally downloaded a conversion program, but the dvd somehow only created portions of my movies. Tons of footage was missing.

I also noticed today, that my videos won't play in windows media player which is what I have here at work. I have Quick Time at home, but not here at work.

Since a few people have actually posted videos on this thread that I can see, I'd really appreciate some help both on viewing tz1 movie files on a computer and also help in the making of dvd's.

Thanks in advance to all in the know.
Debbie :)


Hi Debbie

there are a few problems you have to overcome - but nothing difficult :)

1) So that a movie file can be played in a DVD special conventions have to be met. It is not only converting the files but also the file structure of the CD/DVD has to meet the standard.

2) *.mov files are Apple format - though a Microsoft Company - this format is not supported by the Windows Media Player. You have two possibilities - one to convert the file to e.g . *. wmv or install the Quicktime player on the PC

3) Software:
From my point of view the best and easiest software is offered by Magix. ( www.magix.com) . It is called here in Germany "Film and Video on CD/DVD 5.0". It is a easy to use tool, not to expensive ( about € 30.-) and not only converts the movie files to any kind of other file ( e.g. avi, mpeg, wmv etc...) but you can create very easily CD and DVD´s.

Buy the version and download the latest updates. Alas there is one bug in this program: If you have a lightscribe writer, after installing Magix it wont work anymore. You have to go into windows registry and reset one value and then everything works again. Nevertheless I can only emphasize this program (Magix has excellent programs!) easy to use and excellent results.

Cheers
Dennis

[Dmares]

Hi Dennis,some of John Reeds photos are in this thread:

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19115

Hi Mystro544

Thanks for the link. The Photos are good but I am missing the "depth" and the brilliance. It seems that Lumix has definitely a slight problem with green and blue. No matter how the camera settings are (Vivid or natural) one of the colors is over/under saturated.
Right now I do not see a possibility to get brilliant and sharp (Vivid) pictures, without having a "headache" green lawn :-)

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

The Photos are good but I am missing the "depth" and the brilliance. It seems that Lumix has definitely a slight problem with green and blue. No matter how the camera settings are (Vivid or natural) one of the colors is over/under saturated.
Right now I do not see a possibility to get brilliant and sharp (Vivid) pictures, without having a "headache" green lawn :-)

You know what Dennis, I reckon we should stick with this camera and not take pictures that have green or blue in.... then we should get results like Doug's and John's. ;)

[mynicksnix]

Hi Debbie,

I use a free program called MP4cam2AVI (what's in a name).
It works very easily and also converts .MOV to AVI.

After that you can start up your burning program (for instance Nero) which will probably read the AVI's and converts them automatically to DVD-files.

Good luck!

[gilly44]

Hi Debbie,
I use a free tool available at www.radgametools.com
go to the Bink page which is on the left. Down download the 1.2mb file.
Easy to use. Once converted to AVI you can use your movie in media player and then put it in movie maker and make a DVD. I have magix 2.0 a bit flaky but it works just fine as well. You can put the .MOV straight into that and make a SVCD or VCD
Hope this is of some help
Cheers
gilly44

[John_Reed]

You know what Dennis, I reckon we should stick with this camera and not take pictures that have green or blue in.... then we should get results like Doug's and John's. ;)I dunno. Here's a 3-section panorama I took this weekend with a lotta green and blue. See any problems?
http://John-Reed.smugmug.com/photos/68673929-L.jpg
I used the software that comes with the camera, Panorama Maker 3.5, to do the stitching. What's the issue with green and blue?

[Dmares]

I dunno. Here's a 3-section panorama I took this weekend with a lotta green and blue. See any problems?

I used the software that comes with the camera, Panorama Maker 3.5, to do the stitching. What's the issue with green and blue?

Hi John,

thanks for the photo. Would you please be so kind and let me know the settings of your camera regarding color and picture ( e.g. Natural, color cool etc...)

The problem with the color is, depending on cameras settings you either get a strong blue or a strong green.

If you go to http://www.dmares.myphotoalbum.com/ and into the folder Photos and Movies TZ1 and have a look at the picture 1010055 you will see that the grass is extremly green ( Mode : Vivid). Vivid results in sharp pictures but the color green is not natural.On the other hand the color blue is very "painted" ( see picture 1010040) but definitely not the blue as it really is.

Cheers
Dennis

[John_Reed]

With the Tizzy being a "point & shoot," readings vary for each of the 3 frames, but here's the EXIF data for the middle panel:

Shutter speed: 1/1000
Aperture: f3.2
Exposure bias: -1/3 EV
Normal Program mode
Focal length = 6.4mm (~43mm equivalent)
Center-weighted average metering
ISO 80.

As for most of my shots, I shot in "Natural" mode. To my eyeball, the colors look like the colors I was seeing without the camera, from blue sky to green vines and trees.

[adamsfamily]

What can I say, impressive shot(s) John, and what a fantastic Panorama!!!

You certainly don't appear to be suffering the issue I'm having (and Dennis) as your Blue is true and your Green is mean!!!

I'm in the middle of swapping rooms around in the House at the moment so i can't post anything up asd the internet is not usable (more expense as I have to go Wireless now) so I'm relying on work PC to keep in touch!!!

I may see if I can get the camera hooked up here and post a couple of my examples up.

There is also the possibility we could both have faulty cameras?? Theres a thought!

[Dmares]

There is also the possibility we could both have faulty cameras?? Theres a thought!


That could be it. I´ll go to my retailer and see if they can exchange my model against another one.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

I can't..... they have none:(

I'm goint to try a few more shots (if we get some blue sky) and see if I get the same results.

If I do, then I'm putting it down to a fault and I guess I'll either get me a refund or choose something else, but I'm off to Sapain in June and want to get to grips with what i buy before I go.

[nrbelex]

I was experimenting with the different O.I.S. settings and I found that changing from off or from mode 2 to mode 1 makes the camera give off a somewhat loud whirring sound. I'm assuming its because in mode 1, the entire inner-workings of the camera are moving as focusing takes place, even before the picture is taken, while in mode 2 and in off, the only time the stabilization moves anything is when the camera is actually taking the shot or not at all (off). Does anybody else notice this phenomenon?

~ Brett

[John_Reed]

I was experimenting with the different O.I.S. settings and I found that changing from off or from mode 2 to mode 1 makes the camera give off a somewhat loud whirring sound. I'm assuming its because in mode 1, the entire inner-workings of the camera are moving as focusing takes place, even before the picture is taken, while in mode 2 and in off, the only time the stabilization moves anything is when the camera is actually taking the shot or not at all (off). Does anybody else notice this phenomenon?

~ Brett
I don't notice any noise at all when switching between OIS modes. If you're in Continuous Auto Focus mode, that might account for motors whirring? Me, I always use Mode 1, and never use CAF.

[lostbutok]

I was experimenting with the different O.I.S. settings and I found that changing from off or from mode 2 to mode 1 makes the camera give off a somewhat loud whirring sound. I'm assuming its because in mode 1, the entire inner-workings of the camera are moving as focusing takes place, even before the picture is taken, while in mode 2 and in off, the only time the stabilization moves anything is when the camera is actually taking the shot or not at all (off). Does anybody else notice this phenomenon?

~ Brett


I ran a check on my TZ1. It does not make any sound when changing from OIS off to OIS 1 or OIS 2 to OIS 1, or any other time, such as you describe. Did you get it at Circuit City? If it is less than 14 days, they will exchange if it is defective.

[John_Reed]

This "Where's the TZ1" thread must be the LONGEST thread on record in this forum, with now 52 pages, covering all kinds of topics? Maybe the next question could be launched on a new thread of its own?:confused: :confused:

[ryanbrancel]

This "Where's the TZ1" thread must be the LONGEST thread on record in this forum, with now 52 pages, covering all kinds of topics? Maybe the next question could be launched on a new thread of its own?:confused: :confused:

No, John :) . Must push on to break all thread records here!!! Although we'll need to keep this in mind as some topics here should be branched off.

[nrbelex]

In mode 1, I definitely hear a whirring when I press the shutter button 1/2 way to focus in certain situations (which specific ones, I haven't figured out yet). Anybody have anything similar at all? It seems to work fine but the sound is a bit strange... I still have 13 days at Best Buy but unless I'm the only one, I'm gonna stick wih what I've got.

~ Brett

P.S. - Here are some sample shots... :-)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6391/p10001417xt.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001417xt.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3990/p10001299gh.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001299gh.jpg)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/737/p10001565if.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001565if.jpg)
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9703/p10001199cb.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001199cb.jpg)
(that bridge was three miles away! The second shot was with the semi-optical 12.5 zoom and you can see NYC in the background)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9930/p10001226vo.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001226vo.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3867/p10001701bb.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001701bb.jpg)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4414/p10001818zi.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001818zi.jpg)

P.P.S. - I'm happy with most of the pictures but some were a bit washed out (granted, it was a very cloudy, grey day). I took these pictures at Rockefeller State Park Preserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_State_Park_Preserve) over the Hudson River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River).

P.P.P.S. - Here are a couple macros I was very happy with:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1575/p10000437wa.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10000437wa.jpg)
(A heatsink from an old video card)
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3820/p10000043dw.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10000043dw.jpg)

[mystro544]

This "Where's the TZ1" thread must be the LONGEST thread on record in this forum, with now 52 pages, covering all kinds of topics? Maybe the next question could be launched on a new thread of its own:


There have been attempts at that but question's of the general nature and comments on this lil'jewel always seem to end up here.. regardless,you sure don't need to hunt for tizzy comments. ;)

[Dmares]

Hi Brett

the "whirring" sound while using OIS is definitely not OK. You shouldn´t hear anything, regardless if it is off, Mode1 or Mode 2 ot of you have Caf.
Best bet would be to exchange it.

I have set my camera to Mode2, this makes the pictures a bit sharper, uses less battery and its easier for the camera to focus + Caf is activated with AF set to (OOOH).

cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

I can't..... they have none:(

I'm goint to try a few more shots (if we get some blue sky) and see if I get the same results.

If I do, then I'm putting it down to a fault and I guess I'll either get me a refund or choose something else, but I'm off to Sapain in June and want to get to grips with what i buy before I go.


I've just been to my Head Office, out in the Country, big Manor House!!

Took some shots across the fields!
It's a little hazy, but bright sun, and lush green grass!

Took a few shots and the grass looks ok on the camera (yet to upload them to PC).
Just found something very interesting.
My first few shots were shot in the P Mode (little camera) and they were pretty good, but then I remembered the "SCENERY" mode and swapped to that... what an improvement! The haze has almost been taken out the picture and the colours seem a lot more true.

I am getting a bit of confidence back!!

I'll post up as soon as I can folks!!!

[adamsfamily]

On the lens cap front.... a question for TZ1 owners!!

The lens cap has a place on it that looks like it should have a piece of string to attach it to your camera (or starap), but theres no string in the box (not with mine).

Are you guys the same??

I think it's pretty lame if thats the case that Panasonic haven't given one as it means you gotta hold or pocket the thing!!! I'm just worried about dropping it!!!

[Dmares]

On the lens cap front.... a question for TZ1 owners!!

The lens cap has a place on it that looks like it should have a piece of string to attach it to your camera (or starap), but theres no string in the box (not with mine).

Are you guys the same??

I think it's pretty lame if thats the case that Panasonic haven't given one as it means you gotta hold or pocket the thing!!! I'm just worried about dropping it!!!

Hi Steve

1) yes there is a small string included to fix the lens cap to the camera
2) My retailer has exchanged the camera ( without a word)
3) I made the first shots with the camera and the coloring seems to better then the first one I had. I stored the pictures here: http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01&page=5
4) What kind of Scene Mode did you use ?

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Hi Steve

1) yes there is a small string included to fix the lens cap to the camera
2) My retailer has exchanged the camera ( without a word)
3) I made the first shots with the camera and the coloring seems to better then the first one I had. I stored the pictures here: http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01&page=5
4) What kind of Scene Mode did you use ?

Cheers
Dennis

Hi Dennis,
1. I'll have another look in my box then!!! Otherwise Ill ring Panasonic and complain!!
2. Good news, nice when it's as easy as that!!
3. Pictures look good. Try some with Green and Blue and see if they come out better.
4. Sorry, I put Scenery mode, and I meant LANDSCAPE mode!

Go enjoy.....

[Dmares]

Hi Dennis,
1. I'll have another look in my box then!!! Otherwise Ill ring Panasonic and complain!!
Go enjoy.....

> It should be in the plastic satchet were the camera strap is

Landscape: I´ll try it out and let you know :-)

[nrbelex]

> It should be in the plastic satchet were the camera strap is

I just got back from exchanging mine due to a strange sound so I can tell you that it's in the zip-loc bag taped to the bag with the two cables in it. Inside the zip-loc is both the camera strap and the lense-cover cord. Here's to hoping I don't get that same sound... Best Buy gave me a hard enough time as it was since the online sale ($297) ended between the day I bought it (2 days ago) and today.

~ Brett

[6GHz]

> It should be in the plastic satchet were the camera strap is

Yep, the retaining string should be inside. But one blink and you'd may miss it!

[adamsfamily]

Interesting, thanks for the quick replies guys....

I'll have a look tonight, but because this camera was on display, the strap was attached to the camera and the shop may well have lost it!!!

At least i've got a starting point, and if it's not there, I'll see if the shop can help, if they can't I'll try Panasonic.

Tx again all!

[nrbelex]

Yay, I can't replicate the grinding or whining sound that my pre-exchange Tizzy made with the new one. :)

~ Brett

[berth]

Interesting, thanks for the quick replies guys....

I'll have a look tonight, but because this camera was on display, the strap was attached to the camera and the shop may well have lost it!!!

At least i've got a starting point, and if it's not there, I'll see if the shop can help, if they can't I'll try Panasonic.

Tx again all!
According to your signature, it seems you are the happy owner of a blue tizzy. I just learnt that it will not be sold in blue version in France :(. So sad! Where did you buy yours?
Thanks,

Berth

[Debbie F]

Steve, I think you had it right the first time. I have a "scenery mode" but no "
"Landscape mode". :)

[Sinkers]

A quick question re the battery charger ...

In Europe, the charger has a removable cord with a plug on the end. Is the same true in the USA, or does the charger have an intergrated plug?

Thanks


Sinkers

[nrbelex]

Is the same true in the USA, or does the charger have an intergrated plug?

The latter

~ Brett

[adamsfamily]

According to your signature, it seems you are the happy owner of a blue tizzy. I just learnt that it will not be sold in blue version in France :(. So sad! Where did you buy yours?
Thanks,

Berth

Hi Berth
I am indeed, and it's such a luveeeerrrrllllllllly Blue!! I'll be posting some pics up soon so keep your eys on the thread!!

I was very lucky as I thought that the UK were not doing Blue, in fact, Panasonic UK are not even advertising the Blue, so I reckon I could be luckier than I thought!!!

It came from the London camera Exchange, but it was the only one they had, and I know they are struggling to get any more..... good luck with your hunt.

[adamsfamily]

Steve, I think you had it right the first time. I have a "scenery mode" but no "
"Landscape mode". :)

You're right Debbie, (Dennis, please note) in the SCN1 menu, 1st Page, 3rd one down... it's called SCENERY, and I reckon it takes better pictures than on the Manual mode!!!

[adamsfamily]

On the lens cap front.... a question for TZ1 owners!!

The lens cap has a place on it that looks like it should have a piece of string to attach it to your camera (or starap), but theres no string in the box (not with mine).

Are you guys the same??

I think it's pretty lame if thats the case that Panasonic haven't given one as it means you gotta hold or pocket the thing!!! I'm just worried about dropping it!!!


Hooray..... I found it.... but you're right, it would be easily overlooked and lost if you were rushing to break open the packaging!!!!

Cheers all.

[Dmares]

According to your signature, it seems you are the happy owner of a blue tizzy. I just learnt that it will not be sold in blue version in France :(. So sad! Where did you buy yours?
Thanks,

Berth

Hi Berth

if you are not to far off from the Swiss boarder, thats were you can get one in blue :-)

Here is one link: http://www.fotovideoplus.ch/home.html
go to Panasonic > Panasonic 2 > DMC tz1 blue

cheers
Dennis

[6GHz]

Hooray..... I found it.... but you're right, it would be easily overlooked and lost if you were rushing to break open the packaging!!!!
Cheers all.

Alright! Good for you! Now your Tizzy is complete! :D

[adamsfamily]

And I've managed to create an account and stick some Pics up!!!

4 Albums for you to look at

Shots of the BLUE TZ1

A few of my first shots (rest are on my PC yet to be transferred, but I will!)

My Head Office

My Sons TKD (shot at High Sensitivity indoors no flash moving subject! I'm not impressed, but the Camera seems to be doing everything else great. So I guess it'll have to be the video cameras!)

http://pannytz1.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

Feel free to comment...

[Dmares]

And I've managed to create an account and stick some Pics up!!!

4 Albums for you to look at

Shots of the BLUE TZ1

A few of my first shots (rest are on my PC yet to be transferred, but I will!)

My Head Office

My Sons TKD (shot at High Sensitivity indoors no flash moving subject! I'm not impressed, but the Camera seems to be doing everything else great. So I guess it'll have to be the video cameras!)

http://pannytz1.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

Feel free to comment...


Hi Steve

you dog is cute. Something to cuddle.

The lawn with the blue fence (Anyone for footie) is a perfect example for the problem the Lumix has. Though if you take a look at the "How High" shot, the colors seem to match. Could you shoot the same shot(Anyone for footie) with the "Scene" mode you mentioned ? This would be a good comparison.

The shot "Old Master House" was done with the "Scene" mode i recon. This one looks OK.

The TKD photos would be a good try for Scene = sport, Burst mode indefinite.
Color and picture setting = good question.

Hope I´ll get this weekend to run another series of testshots with the scene mode and the exchanged camera.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Hi Steve

you dog is cute. Something to cuddle.
Looks can be deceiving Dennis.... he can be a real nightmare!!!


The lawn with the blue fence (Anyone for footie) is a perfect example for the problem the Lumix has. Though if you take a look at the "How High" shot, the colors seem to match.
I agree, but both shots were within seconds of each other without changing anything... thats the frustration I'm having, and I'm not sure what to do!!!


Could you shoot the same shot(Anyone for footie) with the "Scene" mode you mentioned ? This would be a good comparison. Yes I can try that, it may help..... Hopefully the weather this weekend will be similar so i can try to replicate the conditions!


The shot "Old Master House" was done with the "Scene" mode i recon. This one looks OK.
Wrong!!!
All of the Head Office shots except the last tree that I mentioned, were done in the P mode (little camera) everything Auto, Colour - Off, Picture Adjustment - Natural.


The TKD photos would be a good try for Scene = sport, Burst mode indefinite.
Color and picture setting = good question.
Tried the Sports Mode! Last two pictures in the Album are sports,(sorry, didn't realise). The speed is reduced to 1/8 for some reason, I guess it could be because it reccomends for use in Bright Sun.
Just updated the album with the info....

If someone can reccomend anything else, I'd be grateful.


Hope I´ll get this weekend to run another series of testshots with the scene mode and the exchanged camera.
Look forward to seeing the shots, and thanks for your comments.

[berth]

Hi Berth

if you are not to far off from the Swiss boarder, thats were you can get one in blue :-)

Here is one link: http://www.fotovideoplus.ch/home.html
go to Panasonic > Panasonic 2 > DMC tz1 blue

cheers
Dennis
Hi Dennis,

Thanx for your kind answer. I am about 150 kilometers from Geneva, but I will not have the time to go there unfortunately. Furthermore, I saw that the warranty is only 1 year on the site you gave. From today, the Tizzy is available here in Grenoble (or should I say there were 2 black TZ1 available in town at mid day :D) They just arrived this morning... They are delivered as a pack with a 250MB card and a Panasonic "cover" or 'bag" (sorry I don't have the right word :confused: ).

Berth

[Debbie F]

New Subject All:

Has anyone tried to do the flip animation yet? I've just spent 30 minutes with manual & camera in hand, and have NO CLUE! I finally handed both over to a friend, who just now gave up as well. If someone knows how, please clue me and everyone else in.

Debbie :confused:

[nrbelex]

New Subject All:

Has anyone tried to do the flip animation yet? I've just spent 30 minutes with manual & camera in hand, and have NO CLUE! I finally handed both over to a friend, who just now gave up as well. If someone knows how, please clue me and everyone else in.

Debbie :confused:

I'll try it tonight and let you know. My understanding is that you enter the mode, take pictures after selecting capture and then sysnthesize them after.

~ Brett

[speaklightly]

My Tizzy arrived late this afternoon, Thanks to the excelent advice in this thread I carefully sorted out the retaining string for the lens cap so that it was not lost, and charged the battery. By that time it was dark, so I can share with you a Night Landscape Scene Mode photo taken from the 5th floor of the Hampton Inn. It proves the TZ-1 works A-OK.

I know that is not very exciting, but I was pleased with the exposure accuracy and the sharpness of the photo.

Sarah

[nrbelex]

New Subject All:

Has anyone tried to do the flip animation yet?

Ok, you scroll to flip animation, go to image capture, take up to 100 images, then go to "create movie" or whatever sounds close to that and the camera strings the images together. Here's a small, stupid example:

(Click to be taken to movie - the film-looking border is from photobucket, not the camera, and Photobucket stretched the video so it lost some quality. The camera's real video mode looks much better - almost real video camera quality)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/nrbelex/th_P1000066.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/nrbelex/?action=view&current=P1000066.flv)


And Speaklightly, that's a great shot. I see from the exif data that the camera was set for SceneCaptureType : Night scene and ExposureTime (shutter speed): 1.60Sec. Did you use a tripod? Nice photo.


~ Brett

[mystro544]

My Tizzy arrived late this afternoon, Thanks to the excelent advice in this thread I carefully sorted out the retaining string for the lens cap so that it was not lost, and charged the battery. By that time it was dark, so I can share with you a Night Landscape Scene Mode photo taken from the 5th floor of the Hampton Inn. It proves the TZ-1 works A-OK.

I know that is not very exciting, but I was pleased with the exposure accuracy and the sharpness of the photo.

Sarah

Greetings Sarah.. you being a true professsional photographer in the group, it'll be very interesting seeing your out-of-the-box tizzy shots and the progression shots as you get a feel for the little gem and from what I understand,you specialize in travel photography thus giving us even more benchmarks.

[adamsfamily]

Well done Brett, good example of the FLIP ANIMATION.
Great if the kids want to make their own mini movie with toys I guess!!

Sarah, great picture, and I'll be keen to hear, like Brett, if you used a Tripod!!!

I am confused on one thing though...
Brett says the exif states NIGHT SCENE, and the shutter was 1.60 seconds... I thought the NIGHT SCENE took a picture for 8 Seconds?? At least that's what the "INFO" says about it. Or is ot UP TO 8 seconds??

Can anyone clarify??

[adamsfamily]

Just uploaded some more shots of my first week with the TZ1.

Apologies it's taken so long, but been moving things around at home, and PC use has been limited!

http://pannytz1.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

[nrbelex]

Ok, here are a couple samples of action shots that came out moderately well. I was using infinite burst mode and sports mode. The flash was forced off. It was very cloudy and as the zoom increased, the pictures looked more washed out, maybe a bit underexposed which means I should have used the exposure compensation. For every good shot here, there was probably 1 or so that was blurred. My technique of focusing the camera (half-push on shutter button) before the action arrived sometimes put the person in focus and sometimes did not. I'd assume half-pushing it with the subject in view would probably help matters. I'll have to check but I also don't know if I had it set on quick focus or not.

(click to see larger, but not full size - my focus was the people in maroon and black)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4053/p10001223vw.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001223vw.jpg)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7884/p10001325lc.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001325lc.jpg)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7449/p10001494lv.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001494lv.jpg)
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8518/p10001501ov.th.jpg (http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001501ov.jpg)
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7782/p10001531ff.th.jpg (http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001531ff.jpg)
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/5674/p10001920ap.th.jpg (http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10001920ap.jpg)

~ Brett

[nrbelex]

Steve, in your depth of field test shots, did you manually chose the camera's focus or did you have it auto-focus on either the foreground or backgroud. If the former, what settings did you use if there's no control over the f-stop? Thanks

~ Brett

[adamsfamily]

Hi Brett,

Manual?? On a TZ1??? In my dreams.

Theres no way of setting Focus manually unfortunately.

All I did was focus on the Wizard for the first shot, and the move the camera left for the second.
Remember though, for decent Depth of Field, you have to virtually at full zoom which is a shame?

Not sure if this rule applies if you had Manual settings though?!

[nrbelex]

Hi Brett,

Manual?? On a TZ1??? In my dreams.

Theres no way of setting Focus manually unfortunately.

All I did was focus on the Wizard for the first shot, and the move the camera left for the second.
Remember though, for decent Depth of Field, you have to virtually at full zoom which is a shame?

Not sure if this rule applies if you had Manual settings though?!

haha, Yea that's what I was confused about. I know it doesn't have any real manual control but I didn't think it was that capable of selecting a focus through such a small movement. What did you mean by your last and second to last sentences?

~ Brett

[berth]

Ok, here are a couple samples of action shots that came out moderately well. I was using infinite burst mode and sports mode. The flash was forced off. It was very cloudy and as the zoom increased, the pictures looked more washed out, maybe a bit underexposed which means I should have used the exposure compensation. For every good shot here, there was probably 1 or so that was blurred. My technique of focusing the camera (half-push on shutter button) before the action arrived sometimes put the person in focus and sometimes did not. I'd assume half-pushing it with the subject in view would probably help matters. I'll have to check but I also don't know if I had it set on quick focus or not.

(click to see larger, but not full size - my focus was the people in maroon and black)~ Brett
Hi Brett,
These shots look very good to me at this resolution. Especially if the light conditions were bad and if you used the zoom.
Berth

[nrbelex]

Hi Brett,
These shots look very good to me at this resolution. Especially if the light conditions were bad and if you used the zoom.
Berth

Thanks - I'm pretty happy with those. I was using a lot of zoom so I was also impressed. Once I got a bit more comfortable with sports mode and a lot of zoom , the shots came out a little bit better.

~ Brett

[berth]

Thanks - I'm pretty happy with those. I was using a lot of zoom so I was also impressed. Once I got a bit more comfortable with sports mode and a lot of zoom , the shots came out a little bit better.

~ Brett
Hi Brett,

Did you find that the infinite burst mode was fast enough for the kind of sport scene you shot? During the burst acquisition, does the screen turns blind at each shot? Thanks for your answers,

Berth

[nrbelex]

Hi Brett,

Did you find that the infinite burst mode was fast enough for the kind of sport scene you shot? During the burst acquisition, does the screen turns blind at each shot? Thanks for your answers,

Berth

In infinite burst mode, after taking the first frame, the screen goes blank for about 1/4 of a second. subsequent shots stay on the screen with no black. I wish there were a little less delay between shots but it worked fine in this case.

~ Brett

[jpmac55]

Thanks for all the help here. I have researching super zoom's for the last few weeks and ordered a black TZ1 yesterday from Circuit City. We all know the other camera sites well enough but this one has a TZ1 cult following.

It's a great feeling to make the right decision and hope to contribute to this site once I get mine.

Thanks again!

[Debbie F]

Thanks for the info and movie clip. I sort of was forced yesterday at my son inlaws graduation to figure it out. Seems once you've started the process you're locked into it. I noticed all these count down pix for movie every time I took a picture. Couldn't figure out what the heck was going on. Anyway. Now it all makes sense. Originally I thought it was a second way to take pix in sequence. NOT!:o

Debbie

[John_Reed]

Hi Brett,

Manual?? On a TZ1??? In my dreams.

Theres no way of setting Focus manually unfortunately.

All I did was focus on the Wizard for the first shot, and the move the camera left for the second.
Remember though, for decent Depth of Field, you have to virtually at full zoom which is a shame?

Not sure if this rule applies if you had Manual settings though?!
SORT of like manual control on the Tizzy. To enable the AF lock function, you select "Underwater" scene mode, and, lo and behold, there's an AF lock function! (I think you push the left arrow to lock focus on the subject of your choice) Of course, all your pictures may have a "submarine" look to them, but boy will they be well-focused! :p

[adamsfamily]

haha, Yea that's what I was confused about. I know it doesn't have any real manual control but I didn't think it was that capable of selecting a focus through such a small movement. What did you mean by your last and second to last sentences?

~ Brett

Hi Brett,

My second to last statement - "Remember though, for decent Depth of Field, you have to virtually at full zoom which is a shame?" -

What I mean is that if you truly want the subject to be in focus, and the back or fore ground to be out of focus, you will need to zoom to virtually 10x on the camera. At least thats what I've found!! (John will probably verify this as he sems like the Pro amongst us!

And my last statement - "Not sure if this rule applies if you had Manual settings though?!" -

I'm not sure, but if you had some manual settings for Aperture, you may be able to set the depth of field without having to zoom! I'm pretty sure that was the case on my S2.

Hope that helps.

[adamsfamily]

SORT of like manual control on the Tizzy. To enable the AF lock function, you select "Underwater" scene mode, and, lo and behold, there's an AF lock function! (I think you push the left arrow to lock focus on the subject of your choice) Of course, all your pictures may have a "submarine" look to them, but boy will they be well-focused! :p

Hi John, is this in the manual anywhere?? If not, a little guidance on how it woks would be greatly appreciated.....

This may be what I need for shooting the kids on their scooters?? Is it used for shooting moving subjects??

Cheers

[Sinkers]

Hi John, is this in the manual anywhere?? If not, a little guidance on how it woks would be greatly appreciated.....

Cheers


From the manual ...

Fixing the focus underwater(AF Lock)

You can fix the focus before taking a picture with AF/AE lock. This is useful if you want to take pictures of a fast moving subject etc.

1 Aim the AF area at the subject.

2 Press < to fix the focus.

• The AF lock icon A appears when the subject is focused.
• Press < again to cancel AF lock.
• When you rotate the zoom lever, the AF lock is cancelled. In this case, focus on the subject and fix the focus again.
• The focus range becomes the same as macro mode. [5cm (0.16feet) (Wide)/1m (3.28feet) (Tele) to infinity]
• The self-timer cannot be set.

[Dmares]

Hi All

as promised I made test shots with the exchanged camera > result: Color saturation is OK now:
This is the link: http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album06
You will find as follows:
Referenzshots with the Pantax 550
Indoor with flash (group of bears)
Outdoor (lawn with red motorcycle)
Movies of a drive through a tunnel

Overall the TZ1 went on along well. The picture is not as detailed as with the Pentax but this is a result of the 2.5 CCD chip.
Color saturation is now good in "Natural" and "Landscape (Tx to Steve) mode.
The movies in the tunnel are really great - considering the low light and the rumbling of the car.

As I still had a bit of problem with the AF taking sharp pictures I have changed the AF focusing to ( ) function [instead of (o) ], will see what will happen.

Steve the new photos look really really good (color & sharpness).

Burst Mode: It is nerving that you can´t shut off the display. If you are trying to shoot "bursts" from your running dog, you must look at the display ( as lack of a optical viewfinder) - and my dog is faster then the refresh of the display.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

From the manual ...

Fixing the focus underwater(AF Lock)

You can fix the focus before taking a picture with AF/AE lock. This is useful if you want to take pictures of a fast moving subject etc.

1 Aim the AF area at the subject.

2 Press < to fix the focus.

• The AF lock icon A appears when the subject is focused.
• Press < again to cancel AF lock.
• When you rotate the zoom lever, the AF lock is cancelled. In this case, focus on the subject and fix the focus again.
• The focus range becomes the same as macro mode. [5cm (0.16feet) (Wide)/1m (3.28feet) (Tele) to infinity]
• The self-timer cannot be set.

You've got that PDF open again haven't you Sinkers!!!

Cheers for the cleare and precise instructions! I'll give it a go on the kids when the weather improves! Pouring down again over here!

[adamsfamily]

Hi All

as promised I made test shots with the exchanged camera > result: Color saturation is OK now:

Overall the TZ1 went on along well. The picture is not as detailed as with the Pentax but this is a result of the 2.5 CCD chip.
Color saturation is now good in "Natural" and "Landscape (Tx to Steve) mode.
The movies in the tunnel are really great - considering the low light and the rumbling of the car.

Well done Dennis, the pictures look better too, and I like your videos! Not bad for the lighting conditions either.


As I still had a bit of problem with the AF taking sharp pictures I have changed the AF focusing to ( ) function [instead of (o) ], will see what will happen.
Let us know if you think changing from Spot to Area makes a difference Dennis.
The more we share, the better we will all get!


Steve the new photos look really really good (color & sharpness).
Mine, yours or both???


Burst Mode: It is nerving that you can´t shut off the display. If you are trying to shoot "bursts" from your running dog, you must look at the display ( as lack of a optical viewfinder) - and my dog is faster then the refresh of the display.
Thats my bug bear too... this is where I'm missing an optical viewfinder as I love to take burst shots of the kids and the dog! I hate the way the screen feezes on your first shot even with the review set to off, and then your stuffed for following through. I guess practise makes perfect when panning for shots like this!

[Dmares]

Just found three tests (German) of the TZ1:

digitalphoto: 80% out of 100
Audio/Video Bild: Average
Asbyon: four out of five stars: http://www.asbyon.com/screen/rubriken/testberichte/testberichte_dmctz1.asp

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Just found three tests (German) of the TZ1:

digitalphoto: 80% out of 100
Audio/Video Bild: Average
Asbyon: four out of five stars: http://www.asbyon.com/screen/rubriken/testberichte/testberichte_dmctz1.asp

Cheers
Dennis

So in short, we've all bought an Average to pretty damn good camera!!!

Interesting!

[Debbie F]

I downloaded the MP4cam2AVI program you recommended and when I unzipped it, I couldn't find the install file. There was an exe file but that was to run the program which obviously isn't installed yet. Am I missing something?

Debbie

[Debbie F]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this was a program used to convert MOV files to
AVI files, so I can make DVD's.

Debbie

[nrbelex]

Inspired by Steve, I did some depth-of-field / macro testing today in the 10 minutes of sun we've had since the day I bought the camera. Not bad - the open flower could have used a little exposure compensation but that can be done it post-processing.

Click to see larger (but not full size)
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4448/p10003933lr.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10003933lr.jpg)
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5039/p10003946ku.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10003946ku.jpg)
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4029/p10003998mm.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10003998mm.jpg)

~ Brett

[Dmares]

Hi Steve

I ran a test with the program and I can´t see any improvement regarding the pictures taken by the TZ1. I stored the Xe847 pictures under following link:
http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album06&page=2

Adobe Photoshop offers also a possibility to automaticaly process the pictures. I´ll have a look.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Sorry Dennis, you've lost me.... what was the Xe847 programme for. Is it a post processing programme?

Tx

[Dmares]

Sorry Dennis, you've lost me.... what was the Xe847 programme for. Is it a post processing programme?

Tx
Right Steve

this is a post processing software. According to the manufacturer pictures are changed to what our eyes see ( e.g. Color, brightness, etc...). I downloaded the trial version and tested it on the last shots. I can´t see any difference - this would mean, that TZ1 is shooting the pictures as our eyes really see them

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Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Got it!! I remember you saying now.... my apologies!!

And you're right, they don't appear to be any different to your originals!!
And as you say, the TZ1 seems to be doing the right job, which is great.

Tx for the feedback.

[berth]

Right Steve

this is a post processing software. According to the manufacturer pictures are changed to what our eyes see ( e.g. Color, brightness, etc...). I downloaded the trial version and tested it on the last shots. I can´t see any difference - this would mean, that TZ1 is shooting the pictures as our eyes really see them

12230 12232
12231 12233

Cheers
Dennis
Hi,
I had a quick look at the 3 color histograms (in a small square where there is no XE847 stamps) of the teddy bear picture. The histograms before and after the processing are not the same. Of course, the image statistics are different too. You can also notice that some textures (carpet, hat, ...) are smoother in the filtered XE847 version.

Berth

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4240/comp2yb.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comp2yb.jpg)

[Dmares]

Hi,
I had a quick look at the 3 color histograms (in a small square where there is no XE847 stamps) of the teddy bear picture. The histograms before and after the processing are not the same. Of course, the image statistics are different too. You can also notice that some textures (carpet, hat, ...) are smoother in the filtered XE847 version.

Berth



Hi Berth

Tx for looking into this issue. This means that the program does make changes to a photo. The question now is, if it is worth the USD 30.-
I´ll try it on some other photos.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

It would appear we have a Pro amongst us....

Well done Berth.

Would you mind sharing the info of how you managed to get that sort of information out of the picture, and perhaps share with us if you think the software is worth buying??

Tx

[berth]

It would appear we have a Pro amongst us....

Well done Berth.

Would you mind sharing the info of how you managed to get that sort of information out of the picture, and perhaps share with us if you think the software is worth buying??

Tx
Thanks Dennis and Steve ;)
I have used a free software called imageJ available for several OS (WIndows, MAcOS, Linux). It is used to perform image processing and image analysis (it's not a Photoshop nor a GIMP). It can be enriched with many plug-in. If I remember well, the color histogram is a plug-in.

I will not buy this software (XE847) before making tests on many different images. Just as it is, with the shot samples provided, it's not possible to state something since the filtered image is quite spoiled by the JPEG compression (strong block effect and color quantization).

Berth

[nrbelex]

Has anybody tried Google's free Picasa 2 (http://picasa.google.com/features/features-edit.html)? For such a simple program, it does a really nice job on minor edits and organization of photos. It can create an entire web page album for you or send your pictures to Kodak or many other companies for printing. I also have Photoshop CS2 but it just seems too powerful for me if I don't want to read a tutorial everyrime I edit a photo. Picasa also gives the discussed histograms and some exif data.

~ Brett

[nrbelex]

Here are some example edits made with Picasa using the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button (which works sorta like Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky" button on their search page and adjusts the photo the way the program feels is best). Manual corrections are still available but "I'm Feeling Lucky" seems to work well most of the time. Histograms from Picasa are included.

Pre-Picasa:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9363/flowerprepicasa0zp.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flowerprepicasa0zp.jpg)

Post-Picasa:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6017/flowerpostpicasa1es.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flowerpostpicasa1es.jpg)

Pre-Picasa:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6949/monstrealprepicasa7ai.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monstrealprepicasa7ai.jpg)

Post-Picasa:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2874/monstrealpostpicasa1xq.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monstrealpostpicasa1xq.jpg)

Whadya think? It can also do sharpness and other basic edits and cool effects like:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7555/p10002152bn.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10002152bn.jpg)

~ Brett

[adamsfamily]

Thanks Dennis and Steve ;)
I have used a free software called imageJ available for several OS (WIndows, MAcOS, Linux). It is used to perform image processing and image analysis (it's not a Photoshop nor a GIMP). It can be enriched with many plug-in. If I remember well, the color histogram is a plug-in.

I will not buy this software (XE847) before making tests on many different images. Just as it is, with the shot samples provided, it's not possible to state something since the filtered image is quite spoiled by the JPEG compression (strong block effect and color quantization).

Berth

Woa, Woa, Woa......

Way over my head now!! :confused:
I'm a simple chap, honest... I guess I asked for that, but I reckon your showing off!! ;)

Seriously Berth, you seem to know your stuff, so I'll trust your judgement not to purchase the XE847, but I may have a nose at the software you used... it looks cooooool!!!

[Dmares]

Hi Berth

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. That is exactly what makes this thread so valuable. We learn from each other.

What I am looking for is just a program where I can push a button, it does all the work and only if necessary I can change different kind of settings.

I have downloaded Image J and will have a look. It seems simple to use. I also saw that PS 7 has an automatic function for processing pictures.

Would it be of help if I took the original pictures, run them through Xe847 and then store the file at a file server ?

Hi Steve
it seems that setting the AF to [( )]/ (oooH) does improve taking better focused pictures and if you have OIS 2 set, the time difference is negligable.

Cheers
Dennis

[adamsfamily]

Hi Steve
it seems that setting the AF to [( )]/ (oooH) does improve taking better focused pictures and if you have OIS 2 set, the time difference is negligable.


Does it really? I'm surprised as I thought that spot would be more focused.... I will change mine to the 3 point High and see if that helps my shots of the kids.
Cheers Dennis

[berth]

Woa, Woa, Woa......

Way over my head now!! :confused:
I'm a simple chap, honest... I guess I asked for that, but I reckon your showing off!! ;)

Seriously Berth, you seem to know your stuff, so I'll trust your judgement not to purchase the XE847, but I may have a nose at the software you used... it looks cooooool!!!
Sorry for the inconvenience :)
The primary usage of imageJ is not to enhance pictures but of course you can do it. I use it to teach image processing and analysis. Anyway, it's a usefull tool to process image at a low level (I mean by programming) or at a high level (just selecting functions in menus or building macros).

About the JPEG compression, it is important to know the pros, cons and limits of this compression technique...

Berth

[berth]

Hi Berth

Would it be of help if I took the original pictures, run them through Xe847 and then store the file at a file server ?

Cheers
Dennis
Hi Dennis,

Why not, I will give you my feeling (as an image processor ;) , not as a photographer).

Berth

[mynicksnix]

I downloaded the MP4cam2AVI program you recommended and when I unzipped it, I couldn't find the install file. There was an exe file but that was to run the program which obviously isn't installed yet. Am I missing something?

Debbie

When you run the EXE file, the program will start inmediately. No need to install anything. It is probably such a small program, that installation isn't necessary.
But does it work when you run the exe file? It does with mine. Otherwise, I will send you a proper link.

[adamsfamily]

OK, Berth, Dennis, you guys are going way beyond me now... so I'm gonna sit back and see where this goes!!


Mynicksnix, I'm following your lead!!
I love what you have posted about Picasa, and I really love the one touch "I'm feeling lucky"!! It has made a difference to those shots you posted good enough for me!!!
Can you tell me, did you use the trial version or is that limited until you buy the full version??

Thanks

[jough]

The colour fidelity of the TZ1 is incredible. It does tend toward the vivid and high contrast ("vivid" mode seems to push that overboard a little, which is great if you like that sort of thing) but in general I'm amazed that it does as well as it does with blues and greens.

The XE847 software is horrible. It doesn't only change the colours (actually, it seems to change the *levels* - although as you pointed out it doesn't have to do much in this regard with the TZ1 images, which don't really seem to need much post-processing) but it also applies a horrifying degree of edge sharpening. I looked at their sample photos, and while the originals may have been *slightly* soft, their "after" photos were way over-sharpened to the point where grass looked like sharp spikes.

Maybe there's an option to turn that off, but you can achieve the same result in Photoshop, also automatically, by selecting "Image > Auto Levels".

Bada bing! Done.

However, auto-anything is never going to be as good as just messing with brightness, contrast, levels, balance, curves, etc., yourself.

And yes, for the price (free) Picasa is great. It's actually much better than many more expensive photo viewing and organising packages.

[nrbelex]

OK, Berth, Dennis, you guys are going way beyond me now... so I'm gonna sit back and see where this goes!!


Mynicksnix, I'm following your lead!!
I love what you have posted about Picasa, and I really love the one touch "I'm feeling lucky"!! It has made a difference to those shots you posted good enough for me!!!
Can you tell me, did you use the trial version or is that limited until you buy the full version??

Thanks

Steve, did you mean me? The pictures I posted were of Picasa edits. Picasa is completely free and produced now by Google. There is no trial or buy version, it's a completely free program. Just go here (http://picasa.google.com/) and hit download to get it.

~ Brett

[adamsfamily]

Steve, did you mean me? The pictures I posted were of Picasa edits. Picasa is completely free and produced now by Google. There is no trial or buy version, it's a completely free program. Just go here (http://picasa.google.com/) and hit download to get it.

~ Brett

My apologies Brett! :confused: I'm having a bad day, and it just got worse coming home and signing on here! Long story....

Cheers for the link, I'll try to download it after my Tea... Tea? at 10.30 pm!! Working too hard!

I was impressed with what it did.. I'll post some of mine up when I get it loaded!
Chhers for now!

[Debbie F]

When you run the EXE file, the program will start inmediately. No need to install anything. It is probably such a small program, that installation isn't necessary.
But does it work when you run the exe file? It does with mine. Otherwise, I will send you a proper link.

Nope. I tried that firsts and it told me it wasn't installed. See my problem?

Debbie

[Samaritan]

Hi Debbie,
I downloaded this program about a week ago and had to try it twice. If I remember, it takes longer to download than you might think. It also leaves putting the directory where the files are downloaded to up to you (drag and drop). I did that and then created a shortcut on my desktop. It is working great for me, VERY FAST and I can use the created .AVI files in NERO.
Good luck,
Larry

[Ajajong]

OOOPs... The 2nd cat pic looks blurry, IMO and pic 26 looks blurrier to me than 27. SO maybe it isnt the vivid standard thing. For some reason, I think in some of the vivid shots, the colors seem to bleed together, making it look blurry to me.

I think the kind of monitor you are using as well the settings aremaking also some difference.

[Dmares]

Hi There

with that I will be closing this issue "Photo Enhancement". I did a comparison of different photo enhancement programms - and none of them is what I expected or what they promised.
You can downlaod the comparison (241kb) from this site - but I myself will not buy any program.

http://z07.zupload.com/download.php?file=getfile&filepath=6363

Cheers
Dennis

[jough]

Yeah, I don't know what you were expecting, but no software is going to know how you want something to look. If you want to do it right, you really have to get to know photoshop and do it yourself manually, for each photo.

It's all part of the fun. Really, it's in processing where the art of photography comes into play. Otherwise you're just taking a snapshot of reality at a certain angle.

[adamsfamily]

Hi There

with that I will be closing this issue "Photo Enhancement". I did a comparison of different photo enhancement programms - and none of them is what I expected or what they promised.
You can downlaod the comparison (241kb) from this sight - but I myself will not buy any program.

http://z07.zupload.com/download.php?file=getfile&filepath=6363

Cheers
Dennis

Never mind Dennis, no-one can say you haven't given a fair crack at this!! And I'm sure it's probably helped others out at the same time.

Well done mate

[mystro544]

After reading and enjoying virtually every thread I could find and especially
the wonderful submissions here at dcresource and with some agonizing especially since I was waiting for the May shipments ,well today I finally got the notice from Crutchfields ..the tizzy k was in!
..within a hour I got the tracking number so I'm joining the tizzy owners club soon. ;=)

So much on what I've learned about this little camera was gleaned right here,not in the owners manual..who'da thunk such a little camera could do sooo many tricks and do them so well.

[Debbie F]

Hi Debbie,
I downloaded this program about a week ago and had to try it twice. If I remember, it takes longer to download than you might think. It also leaves putting the directory where the files are downloaded to up to you (drag and drop). I did that and then created a shortcut on my desktop. It is working great for me, VERY FAST and I can use the created .AVI files in NERO.
Good luck,
Larry
Larry,
Your tip worked. I now have access to the program, but how does it work? I can't find any directions. No read me file, nothing. HELP!

Debbie

[Samaritan]

Larry,
Your tip worked. I now have access to the program, but how does it work? I can't find any directions. No read me file, nothing. HELP!

Debbie

Hi Debbie,
When you key on the MP4Can2AVI.EXE file the program pops up. You have to tell it where your Quicktime.MOV files are then key on that file and then on the large square at bottom right START. The new .AVI file should be saved in the same directory as the .MOV file was under the name VideoOut.AVI then rename the file. There is a HELP tab at the top that will help you. Hope this helps.
Larry

[Debbie F]

Hi Debbie,
When you key on the MP4Can2AVI.EXE file the program pops up. You have to tell it where your Quicktime.MOV files are then key on that file and then on the large square at bottom right START. The new .AVI file should be saved in the same directory as the .MOV file was under the name VideoOut.AVI then rename the file. There is a HELP tab at the top that will help you. Hope this helps.
Larry

Thanks for the help Larry. I'll give it a try. By the way, when I clicked on the help file and selected from the drop down menu, nothing opened. hmmm

Debbie

[Ajajong]

Hello all of you, although it cost me rather much time to read this long thread of the TZ1 it was worth it. I see all of you found a cam with a lot of possibilities and simple to handle. I 've seen a lot of pictures from all of you and found this cam a very nice cam with a lot of possibilities. I am very strong thinking of buying it as a birthday present for my daughter.

I know Panasonic 's superzoom with image stabilizers can make pic's what lot of other cams can't, I own a Panasonic FZ10 for nearly 2 years and I still like to work with it.

[Raining Upwards]

So after doing much research and reading of this thread, I think I am starting to be persuaded to get the TZ1 over the Kodak V610. However, if I do decide to get one, I want the blue edition. I live in the US and I cannot find it anywhere online. I am guessing it has not been released yet. Amazon has a release date of June 1st. Does anyone know if that is an official release date? Or is that just estimated? I'm apprehensive to pre-order it as I leave for London to study abroad June 10th and I need my digital camera by then. Thanks for the help!

-Todd

[mynicksnix]

Most of the times it is an estimated release date.
So I do hope that this time it is not. My advise; search through the Internet..... cause you don't want to buy it in London (way overpriced).
Btw; pre-orders can always be cancelled.

@debbie:
Glad you found out how the MP4cam2AVI works (although Larry deserves all regards).
I was really wondering whether the Monsterpod you ordered has been delivered already??
And if so, does it work with the TZ1? Also PM'ed you about this.

[Ajajong]

I ordered the DMC-TZ1, the hope they can deliver the camera in week 22. I am waiting for it.

[adamsfamily]

So after doing much research and reading of this thread, I think I am starting to be persuaded to get the TZ1 over the Kodak V610. However, if I do decide to get one, I want the blue edition. I live in the US and I cannot find it anywhere online. I am guessing it has not been released yet. Amazon has a release date of June 1st. Does anyone know if that is an official release date? Or is that just estimated? I'm apprehensive to pre-order it as I leave for London to study abroad June 10th and I need my digital camera by then. Thanks for the help!

-Todd

I've got the BLUE:D

To be honest, I didn't think the blue was being released in the UK as it's not on the Panasonic UK website. I also thought it was just Europe getting the Blue??!! I mat be wrong.

Good luck in your hunt for it, and in the meantime if you want to drool over the Blue one checkout http://www.pannytz1.myphotoalbum.com
Theres a few pics of mine on there.

Good luck with your hunt!

[Ajajong]

There are worldwide 4 colors, here in Holland we get only the black and the silver ones. I ordered a silver one, because it was €30 euro!!!!:) cheaper than the black one at this company:confused: I don't understand this, for a car it is understandable that another coating is more expensive than the standard, but a camera? silver is ok to me, black should be also ok to me, and blue and gold as well. The most important to me is the quality of the pictures you can make with it, and I hope the silver does it as well as the other colors!!! I am waiting!!!:D

[jough]

There are worldwide 4 colors, here in Holland we get only the black and the silver ones.

Same with the U.S., so far, although it looks like some retailers here will have the blue one in June.

Also, there are only three colours, according to their international site:

http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/tz1/index.html

Just silver (S), Blue (A), and Black (K).

[cuznvin]

OK, this may be a dumb question, but should I be using 4:3 or 3:2 aspect when using the TZ1. It seems like some of my prints have white borders on the sides and was wondering if this was because I was using 4:3. Thanks..

[ryanbrancel]

use 4:3 for the most pixels captured. 3:2 and 16:9 basically chop off the top/bottom pixels to make the aspect wider.

i did see an ebay auction a month ago for a "gold" TZ1
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-TZ1-Gold-5-Megapix-JAPAN-Ver-NEW_W0QQitemZ7618122210QQcategoryZ114273QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem
it appears it was a limited release that had both japan & english language options.

[Raining Upwards]

On ebay they have several blue tz1s for sale from Japan. The thing is, I would wind up paying $400.00 for one..so i'm not sure. Plus I need the camera by June 10th so yeah..im not sure if thats worth it..lol the blue should just be released in the US by now!

[jpmac55]

I am sure the blue Tizzy looks good but I doubt you will be dissappointed with the readily available black version....

[mystro544]

use 4:3 for the most pixels captured. 3:2 and 16:9 basically chop off the top/bottom pixels to make the aspect wider.

i did see an ebay auction a month ago for a "gold" TZ1
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-TZ1-Gold-5-Megapix-JAPAN-Ver-NEW_W0QQitemZ7618122210QQcategoryZ114273QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem
it appears it was a limited release that had both japan & english language options.


There could also be US Warranty issues ordering a non-US version (for US buyers) plus,be very hesitant ordering an expensive camera thru anyone except a known reputable dealer such as those listed here.

[mystro544]

It may not be nessesary considering the popularity/interest for this camera,but making this thread a Sticky seems in order.

[adamsfamily]

On ebay they have several blue tz1s for sale from Japan. The thing is, I would wind up paying $400.00 for one..so i'm not sure. Plus I need the camera by June 10th so yeah..im not sure if thats worth it..lol the blue should just be released in the US by now!

Ouch!!! I would wait if you can, thats a bit of a sting from Japan, but if it's the colour you want, and can't wait... then the bucks will have to be spent!

Good luck

[Ajajong]

It seems that the model is also in Holland very popular, today the company Progress where I ordered the camera mailed me that they deliver it in week 23 in stead of week 22:confused: . It is about the same what I remember when I bought my FZ10, finaly a shop had this camera and Ibought it immediately, just in time, because a couple of weeks it was sold out in Holland as well in Belgium. On all kinds of resource pages (here, tweakers net, dpreview and Steves digigam I read that...:)
That is for me also a reason not to look at the special color of the camera, the pictures are the most important....:D

[mystro544]

For those in the US/Can interested,Beach camera and B&H camera have the K.

[mystro544]

Ajajong, I agree the color is not important and if it had been up to just me I would have ordered the "S" which was avail a full month earlier but my wife wanted the A or K so we waited and waited,this week we finally got it ordered..the K.


It seems that the model is also in Holland very popular, today the company Progress where I ordered the camera mailed me that they deliver it in week 23 in stead of week 22:confused: . It is about the same what I remember when I bought my FZ10, finaly a shop had this camera and Ibought it immediately, just in time, because a couple of weeks it was sold out in Holland as well in Belgium. On all kinds of resource pages (here, tweakers net, dpreview and Steves digigam I read that...:)
That is for me also a reason not to look at the special color of the camera, the pictures are the most important....:D

[Ajajong]

Today I got a mail that it will be week 22 when Progress can deliver the cam!!!:) :) :D

[berth]

Hi,

I got my Tizzy yesterday evening (the black one, the blue one is not available in France). Well the black one is really cute!

One of the first thing I made was to compare its zoom with my old Sony DSC 505v (3.3 Mpixel, Carl Zeiss 5x zoom). I used a rather low resolution (1280x960) for both.

At this resolution, the Tizzy performs a bad interpolation that makes the picture look sharper but that introduces some artifacts (moire' pattern). But I guess this problem only happens at a "low" resolution. It can be awfull at 640x480.

It's not very important but I am surprised that the oversampling process (I mean from 5Mpixels to 1 Mpixels) is made in such a bad way (concerning digital images, nobody would dare to do so).

Here are some pirctures of this comparison.
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/505vsTZ1.html

Berth

[lostbutok]

Hi,

I got my Tizzy yesterday evening (the black one, the blue one is not available in France). Well the black one is really cute!

One of the first thing I made was to compare its zoom with my old Sony DSC 505v (3.3 Mpixel, Carl Zeiss 5x zoom). I used a rather low resolution (1280x960) for both.

At this resolution, the Tizzy performs a bad interpolation that makes the picture look sharper but that introduces some artifacts (moire' pattern). But I guess this problem only happens at a "low" resolution. It can be awfull at 640x480.

It's not very important but I am surprised that the oversampling process (I mean from 5Mpixels to 1 Mpixels) is made in such a bad way (concerning digital images, nobody would dare to do so).

Here are some pirctures of this comparison.
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/505vsTZ1.html

Berth


I don't see the pattern. Could it be an artifact of your monitor? Move the image and see if the pattern changes. If it does, then it is likely a result of the horizontal pixel lines in the monitor intersecting the nearly horizontal lines of the image. Just a thought.

[berth]

I don't see the pattern. Could it be an artifact of your monitor? Move the image and see if the pattern changes. If it does, then it is likely a result of the horizontal pixel lines in the monitor intersecting the nearly horizontal lines of the image. Just a thought.
Unfortunatelly, it is not my monitor. I have added an image on the web page to localize the moire' problem. It is very classical when downsampling is performed without care.

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/505vsTZ1.html

Berth

[berth]

Hi,
I made a few experiments to show the bad downsampling performed by the TZ1, at least for the 640x480 images.
In the following link, I compare 640x480 shots taken by the TZ1 and 1600x1200 shots also taken by the TZ1 then filtered and downsampled by me.
Just to show that the moire effect (that can be awful) is not a fatality ;) :

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_moire.html

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_moire/image/12.jpg

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_moire/image/13.jpg


Berth

[Dmares]

Hi Berth

does this mean that with the TZ1 I should always take pictures with 5 Mio ? or is this a characteristic for a camera that has a lower picture quality ?

I cant remember having anything like that with my Pentax 550

Regards
Dennis

[berth]

Hi Berth

does this mean that with the TZ1 I should always take pictures with 5 Mio ? or is this a characteristic for a camera that has a lower picture quality ?

I cant remember having anything like that with my Pentax 550

Regards
Dennis
Hi Dennis,
At the moment, I can't generalize for all the resolutions. I have just made the test at low resolution (640x480). I will try to do it soon.
Anyway, the moire phenomenon will globally decrease when the resolution increases or when the pattern frequency decreases (cf Nyquist-Shannon). Choosing a LCD screen was just a drastic test to quantize the stuff. hopefully in most of the everyday pictures, repetitive high frequency patterns are not so common :) .

Berth

[John_Reed]

Hi Berth

does this mean that with the TZ1 I should always take pictures with 5 Mio ? or is this a characteristic for a camera that has a lower picture quality ?

I cant remember having anything like that with my Pentax 550

Regards
Dennis3MP EZ images, for example, are taken from a 3MP crop of the full CCD sensor, not downsampled from a 5MP image. I do believe that if you shoot at 2MP EZ, there will be some downsampling, from 3MP to 2MP size. But I haven't tried 2MP EZ to see if this downsampling issue shows up there. Since a 2MP (1600X1200) image was used to demonstrate that external downsampling beats that of the TZ1, I guess 2MP EZ is OK too.

[berth]

Hi,

I have added 3 images that show a weak moire' for 1200x968 images (1Mp)
but no artefact of this kind for 1600x1200 images (2Mp) and up beyond:
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_moire.html

Berth

[John_Reed]

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[berth]

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Hi John,

OK, you're excused ;)
To give you the proof, here are the shots (16/9, zoom 10x) of the mountains around the Grenoble valley, shot 3 hours ago.
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_zoom_10x/thumbnail/1.jpg http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_zoom_10x/thumbnail/2.jpg http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_zoom_10x/thumbnail/3.jpg

Larger versions are here:
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1/TZ1_zoom_10x.html

Berth

[John_Reed]

Point me to it, please? I took the left-hand image, downloaded it to my 1600X1200 Formac LCD monitor, and blew it up to full-size, yet didn't see ANY Moire' patterns or other weirdnesses. Are you certain the phenomenon you're describing isn't an aspect of your own monitor?

Beautiful country by the way. I've been to Grenoble, and visited the "Ver Cours?" (sic) Spectacular landscape.

[berth]

Point me to it, please? I took the left-hand image, downloaded it to my 1600X1200 Formac LCD monitor, and blew it up to full-size, yet didn't see ANY Moire' patterns or other weirdnesses. Are you certain the phenomenon you're describing isn't an aspect of your own monitor?

Beautiful country by the way. I've been to Grenoble, and visited the "Ver Cours?" (sic) Spectacular landscape.
Sorry John, since English is not my mother tongue I was not clear :o. I just meant that I did'nt blame you about your wordplay ;) . Nothing to do with moire' this time. Only montains and greeting from Grenoble. These shots show Chartreuse and Belledonne mountains. I have to go to the other side of the flat to shoot the Vercors.

Berth

[betaman]

My two out of two copies from circuit city are both plaqued with this defect. Occurs at mid- to high optical zooms only. Affects vertical axis of OIS mode 1. Basically destroys continuous stabilizing function. Mode 2 appears OK for stills but movies depend on mode 1 to function, unless OIS is completely turned off. Problem is intermittant, possibly related to internal heat buildup, temporarily remedied by camera movement, possibly more prone when camera is pointed below horizontal. After the whirring starts, the visible effect on stabilization may or may not be dramatic, but it always ruins sound track. The best way to test is to go to full optical zoom and take a movie holding the camera reasonably still.

[nrbelex]

After the whirring starts, the visible effect on stabilization may or may not be dramatic, but it always ruins sound track.

I had a similar whirring issue with my first Best Buy TZ1. I returned it and my second made no noise in any OIS mode. I'm not exactly clear on this: does issue you have actually affect the camera's ability to stabilize or is it just the sound track? I didn't test it for very long before I returned mine but the sound issue was all I had in my first one.

~ Brett

[Dmares]

My two out of two copies from circuit city are both plaqued with this defect. Occurs at mid- to high optical zooms only. Affects vertical axis of OIS mode 1. Basically destroys continuous stabilizing function. Mode 2 appears OK for stills but movies depend on mode 1 to function, unless OIS is completely turned off. Problem is intermittant, possibly related to internal heat buildup, temporarily remedied by camera movement, possibly more prone when camera is pointed below horizontal. After the whirring starts, the visible effect on stabilization may or may not be dramatic, but it always ruins sound track. The best way to test is to go to full optical zoom and take a movie holding the camera reasonably still.


Exchange the camera immediately. The whirring sound means that the small motors inside responsible for the OIS are not working properly.

Cheers
Dennis

[betaman]

Exchange the camera immediately. The whirring sound means that the small motors inside responsible for the OIS are not working properly.

Thanks for your advise, Dennis. You are correct. However if you knew the saga of my experience with Circuit City you might be thinking other measures. Eventually, when the smoke clears, I hope to provide the public with details of this experience.
On the technical end, to clarify for Brett and others, the whirring, or whining sound is the sure indicator that there is a significant problem. However, detecting the actual effect on image stability is somewhat more elusive because that simultaneous visual effect is intermittant, and requires a reasonably trained eye to see. What I see is erratic bobbing up and down (indicating vertical mode malfunction), even though I'm holding the camera reasonably steady. The whirring sound must be occurring for the visual effect to be expressed. I emphasize that the camera be set to 10x zoom, and you spend enough time in movie mode, possibly several minutes, to allow the problem to express itself.
On a final note, I would love to extol the wonderful features of this camera, but am not yet inclined to do so pending resolution of some major customer relations issues with the vendor and manufacturer - stay tuned!

[Dmares]

Hi Betman

if you have a service issue with your retailer, get in touch with Panasonic directly. Thank god here in Germany they exchange a faulty good mostly within the first three month. After that it depends (mostly within 6 month - yes) I had to exchange my TZ1 due to problems with the colors.

Good luck

Cheers
Dennis

[jpmac55]

Thanks for your advise, Dennis. You are correct. However if you knew the saga of my experience with Circuit City you might be thinking other measures. Eventually, when the smoke clears, I hope to provide the public with details of this experience.
On the technical end, to clarify for Brett and others, the whirring, or whining sound is the sure indicator that there is a significant problem. However, detecting the actual effect on image stability is somewhat more elusive because that simultaneous visual effect is intermittant, and requires a reasonably trained eye to see. What I see is erratic bobbing up and down (indicating vertical mode malfunction), even though I'm holding the camera reasonably steady. The whirring sound must be occurring for the visual effect to be expressed. I emphasize that the camera be set to 10x zoom, and you spend enough time in movie mode, possibly several minutes, to allow the problem to express itself.
On a final note, I would love to extol the wonderful features of this camera, but am not yet inclined to do so pending resolution of some major customer relations issues with the vendor and manufacturer - stay tuned!

With the internet and other means of instant communucation, it is hard to believe a major distributor would even hesitate on doing the right thing for a customer. Bad news spreads faster than good as we all know. I am looking forward to learning what happened as I, too, purchased my Tizzy from Circuit City. Thus far, it is trouble free. Hopefully everything will work out okay and you can focus on enjoying your new camera.....

[jough]

I got a black TZ1 from CircuitCity.com - so far no problems, although I was a little suspicious when it didn't have any stickers on the front, unlike others that I've seen. Makes me wonder whether I got a return or not. And if I did, then why was it returned?

I've had it for six days now and so far so good, so knock on... something.

[jpmac55]

I got a black TZ1 from CircuitCity.com - so far no problems, although I was a little suspicious when it didn't have any stickers on the front, unlike others that I've seen. Makes me wonder whether I got a return or not. And if I did, then why was it returned?

I've had it for six days now and so far so good, so knock on... something.

There weren't any stickers on my black Tizzy either. I didn't notice or pay attention to it until reading your post. Who knows....

[mystro544]

[QUOTE=jough]I got a black TZ1 from CircuitCity.com QUOTE]


Hopefully you won't have issues with your Tizzy but Circuitcity could easily be a problem if you do..that's why the FAQ's at dcresource advise buying from reputable *known* retailers such as B&H,Beach and others mentioned in the FAQs/buying tips..they are pleasure to deal with when you really need help or exchanges,RMA's etc.

Reviews on CC and others at resellerratings.com

[jough]

Circuit City is a known retailer. They're a huge B&M store that also sells through their web site. They were around long before Best Buy or Target (well, in this area, anyway).

If I have a problem with something that I buy from the CircuitCity.com web site, I can return it to a local store (although they don't seem to carry the black TZ1 in the local stores here, at least not yet).

Anyway, like I said, I have had 0 problems with mine so far. Maybe the black ones just don't have any stickers on them to mar the beauty. ;)

[berth]

Maybe the black ones just don't have any stickers on them to mar the beauty. ;)
Hi,
You should be right :) , The black ones sold in France don't have the stickers either.

[mystro544]

Circuit City is a known retailer. They're a huge B&M store that also sells through their web site. They were around long before Best Buy or Target (well, in this area, anyway).

)

Yes Circuit City it is a known company and rated here:

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1347.html







.

[betaman]

Circuit City is a known retailer. They're a huge B&M store that also sells through their web site. They were around long before Best Buy or Target (well, in this area, anyway).

I just read the seller rating for Circuit City. I was lured away from my usual better senses regarding Circuit City because they were among the first to get the camera in stock. If you had a clue as to what I have gone through with this company...:eek: :mad: The admonition to use the reseller rating database provided by mystro544 is excellent advice, especially for idiots like me.

I reiterate that there is a problem with these cameras. It is not blatantly obvious and can elude the untrained critic. I've been through 3 OIS failures, the first two with Canon, and even the "knowledgable" salesman at the store could not see the first signs of failure that I initially noticed. That was a $1400 lens, and fortunately, it totally fried just before warantee expiration. Give your Tizzy a good workout AT FULL 10x ZOOM, MODE 1, and listen carefully.

On a hopefully more positive note, Panasonic is working with me on a level significantly higher than level 1 customer relations, and pending the final outcome, I am encouraged. I am requesting replacement with a NEW camera free of the problem and am extremely reluctant to accept a repair job of questionable quality control. They are bringing in engineers to talk. However, I note that it took some doing to get to this level with Pany, and the advice to select a reputable retailer is, with hindsight, really the best I can offer. Pending the outcome with Pany, I may release serial numbers of my 2 failed units.

Battle fatiqued and battered, but ever vigilant, Betaman;)

[jpmac55]

I just read the seller rating for Circuit City. I was lured away from my usual better senses regarding Circuit City because they were among the first to get the camera in stock. If you had a clue as to what I have gone through with this company...:eek: :mad: The admonition to use the reseller rating database provided by mystro544 is excellent advice, especially for idiots like me.

I reiterate that there is a problem with these cameras. It is not blatantly obvious and can elude the untrained critic. I've been through 3 OIS failures, the first two with Canon, and even the "knowledgable" salesman at the store could not see the first signs of failure that I initially noticed. That was a $1400 lens, and fortunately, it totally fried just before warantee expiration. Give your Tizzy a good workout AT FULL 10x ZOOM, MODE 1, and listen carefully.

On a hopefully more positive note, Panasonic is working with me on a level significantly higher than level 1 customer relations, and pending the final outcome, I am encouraged. I am requesting replacement with a NEW camera free of the problem and am extremely reluctant to accept a repair job of questionable quality control. They are bringing in engineers to talk. However, I note that it took some doing to get to this level with Pany, and the advice to select a reputable retailer is, with hindsight, really the best I can offer. Pending the outcome with Pany, I may release serial numbers of my 2 failed units.

Battle fatiqued and battered, but ever vigilant, Betaman;)

I wonder if this mess you are in warrants a thread of its own but regardless, I hope things work out for you. I am sure they will!

I do hope you fill in the blanks at some point but I see this primarily as a Panasonic issue. Assuming you are correct, the TZ1 camera is manufactured by, Panasonic. Panasonic also selects their distribution channel for which Circuit City is one of them. In some ways, it probably might be best to wait to tell the complete story. Regardless, I think Panasonic ought to be doing whatever they can to help you.

On another note, I hope some other TZ1 owners like John Reed pipe in. I wonder if they are aware they may have a Tizzy problem, too?

[John_Reed]

On another note, I hope some other TZ1 owners like John Reed pipe in. I wonder if they are aware they may have a Tizzy problem, too?What Tizzy problem am I supposed to have? Am blissfully unaware.

[jpmac55]

What Tizzy problem am I supposed to have? Am blissfully unaware.

John,

My comment should have been expanded to include that judging by your Tizzy photo's, I would never guess you may have a camera malfunction. Your TZ1 results and overall positive comments were the reason why I purchased mine.

Of course my comment was a reaction to Bateman's post that suggested the Tizzy may have a generic problem:

"I reiterate that there is a problem with these cameras. It is not blatantly obvious and can elude the untrained critic. I've been through 3 OIS failures, the first two with Canon, and even the "knowledgable" salesman at the store could not see the first signs of failure that I initially noticed. That was a $1400 lens, and fortunately, it totally fried just before warantee expiration. Give your Tizzy a good workout AT FULL 10x ZOOM, MODE 1, and listen carefully."

[John_Reed]

John,

My comment should have been expanded to include that judging by your Tizzy photo's, I would never guess you may have a camera malfunction. Your TZ1 results and overall positive comments were the reason why I purchased mine.

Of course my comment was a reaction to Bateman's post that suggested the Tizzy may have a generic problem:

"I reiterate that there is a problem with these cameras. It is not blatantly obvious and can elude the untrained critic. I've been through 3 OIS failures, the first two with Canon, and even the "knowledgable" salesman at the store could not see the first signs of failure that I initially noticed. That was a $1400 lens, and fortunately, it totally fried just before warantee expiration. Give your Tizzy a good workout AT FULL 10x ZOOM, MODE 1, and listen carefully."
I just ran off a few shots at full zoom, ~1/20 of a second, mode 1. Tizzy worked fine, and when I turned off the OIS, the same shots got blurry. So, I conclude that OIS is working. I listened for noises. The only noises I heard (with my ear right up to the camera) were AF-related, plus a "click" that would occur the instant I half-depressed the shutter release button.

I took it a step further just now. I used the "AF-Lock" function (available only in the "Underwater" scene mode) to lock focus, so I could hear what ELSE was going on. I locked AF at 52mm, and listened. I heard the OIS at work! But I heard it in both OIS modes, about the same, though more before shutter release in Mode 1. I turned off OIS, and still heard a little noise, though a lot less. Reducing the zoom didn't seem to change the noise much, though possibly the system works harder at longer zoom. I think these noises are part and parcel of the feedback control system that is "Optical Image Stabilization."

My camera sits in mode 1 all the time; that's my preferred OIS mode. I've had no troubles with this choice, no "quirks" that I've noticed. And I take a LOT of shots at full zoom. Does my Tizzy pass the test?

[betaman]

from John Reed
Am blissfully unaware.

John, Looks like you have a good one.

I am sincerely trying to be factual and not overly alarmist about this affair. Clearly, two out of two received in a row has statistical implications that I cannot ignore (i.e., it's not a random fluke), but this may still indicate a RELATIVELY limited number of cameras in the big picture. I can tell you that the "spread" in serial numbers between my two samples is in the hundreds, suggesting a minimum order of magnitude of frequency of occurrence, assuming it is a production tolerance problem (which I suspect) rather than a design flaw. I am also learning that the problem is mysteriously intermittent, especially on the second copy.

As I previously hinted, I look forward to the time when I can honestly and wholeheartedly praise the virtues of this little camera. I'm getting some great results using mode 2, stills only. My wife has an FZ-20 which we are quite happy with, and I am generally very high on Panasonic's entry into a very demanding market.

OIS is a very new and demanding-to-manufacture technology. My previous failures with Canon OIS brings to mind a quote by an author who's name eludes me now - "Experience is a hard teacher - she gives the test first and the lesson later".

[John_Reed]

Is "FA6CA02152 R"

Tizzy is my 6th camera with OIS, dating back to 2003: two FZ1s (one still in service for my wife), an FZ10, FZ15, FZ30, & Tizzy. Because I do a lot of "burst" mode shooting for birds-in-flight, my snap counts are very high. I think I've snapped over 100,000 snaps, mostly in "Mode 1," and never experienced an issue with OIS.

I guess maybe I don't even know what symptoms I'd be looking for to suspect a malfunction?

[berth]

from John Reed

John, Looks like you have a good one.

I am sincerely trying to be factual and not overly alarmist about this affair. Clearly, two out of two received in a row has statistical implications that I cannot ignore (i.e., it's not a random fluke), but this may still indicate a RELATIVELY limited number of cameras in the big picture. I can tell you that the "spread" in serial numbers between my two samples is in the hundreds, suggesting a minimum order of magnitude of frequency of occurrence, assuming it is a production tolerance problem (which I suspect) rather than a design flaw. I am also learning that the problem is mysteriously intermittent, especially on the second copy.

As I previously hinted, I look forward to the time when I can honestly and wholeheartedly praise the virtues of this little camera. I'm getting some great results using mode 2, stills only. My wife has an FZ-20 which we are quite happy with, and I am generally very high on Panasonic's entry into a very demanding market.

OIS is a very new and demanding-to-manufacture technology. My previous failures with Canon OIS brings to mind a quote by an author who's name eludes me now - "Experience is a hard teacher - she gives the test first and the lesson later".
Hi,

It would be great if you could set up a test procedure that anyone could use to check his/her own Tizzy? Would it be possible?

Berth

[betaman]

It would be great if you could set up a test procedure that anyone could use to check his/her own Tizzy? Would it be possible?

Berth

The test is as previously stated. Fire up movie mode with stabilization on, full 10x zoom and listen carefully for a definite constant pitch whine. If/when this occurs, you know the camera is defective and its performance will at least be compromised in the sound track. Visual instability may or may not be blatantly obvious, but will probably occur. To encourage the malfunction it is sometimes helpful to tilt at different angles, then hold steady. Access to menu options will also sometimes act as a trigger. However, the problem is DEFINITELY INTERMITTENT. The malfunction will also occur in still mode, stabilization mode 1 only. The camera may be used in still stabilization mode 2 with no apparent compromise.

I am talking with Pany upper level representatives and engineering, and they are extremely helpful and appreciative of my input, and are cooperating with my modest demand for a new bug-free camera. I am not alone, but the actual extent of iincidence in the current inventory is unknown to us at this point. Panasonic has a potential winner here, and I am more than enthusiastic about their attention to design features as well as their committment to customer satisfaction:) . We'll save the :D for when I end up with a camera that works properly. Stay tuned!

[berth]

The test is as previously stated. Fire up movie mode with stabilization on, full 10x zoom and listen carefully for a definite constant pitch whine. If/when this occurs, you know the camera is defective and its performance will at least be compromised in the sound track. Visual instability may or may not be blatantly obvious, but will probably occur. To encourage the malfunction it is sometimes helpful to tilt at different angles, then hold steady. Access to menu options will also sometimes act as a trigger. However, the problem is DEFINITELY INTERMITTENT. The malfunction will also occur in still mode, stabilization mode 1 only. The camera may be used in still stabilization mode 2 with no apparent compromise.

I am talking with Pany upper level representatives and engineering, and they are extremely helpful and appreciative of my input, and are cooperating with my modest demand for a new bug-free camera. I am not alone, but the actual extent of iincidence in the current inventory is unknown to us at this point. Panasonic has a potential winner here, and I am more than enthusiastic about their attention to design features as well as their committment to customer satisfaction:) . We'll save the :D for when I end up with a camera that works properly. Stay tuned!
Thank's Betaman for your explanations. Nevertheless, I have a problem: since I am French, I don't understand the word "pitch" :o . I gave a look at my favorite online dictionary, but I didn't find any usefull translation. Could you try a synonym, I believe that the diagnosis depends on this key word...

Berth

[betaman]

Thank's Betaman for your explanations. Nevertheless, I have a problem: since I am French, I don't understand the word "pitch"

Berth,

Sorry about that. To the scientist, "constant pitch" means constant frequency or cycles per second. To the musician, this means a single note or musical tone rather than a varying tone that goes up or down the scale. The hum you hear from an electrical appliance motor is usually a steady constant pitch, whereas a siren alarm is often a varying pitch. The sound from the camera, when it is expressing itself, is steady, not varying. However, as previously stated, the problem can be intermittant, which can make it frustrating to reproduce and diagnose.

To simplify the discussion, I think it will be pretty obvious when it is occurring because it will dominate the sound track on your movie. I hope this helps.

[berth]

Berth,

Sorry about that. To the scientist, "constant pitch" means constant frequency or cycles per second. To the musician, this means a single note or musical tone rather than a varying tone that goes up or down the scale. The hum you hear from an electrical appliance motor is usually a steady constant pitch, whereas a siren alarm is often a varying pitch. The sound from the camera, when it is expressing itself, is steady, not varying. However, as previously stated, the problem can be intermittant, which can make it frustrating to reproduce and diagnose.

To simplify the discussion, I think it will be pretty obvious when it is occurring because it will dominate the sound track on your movie. I hope this helps.
Betaman,
OK, understood! You've touched the scientist ;). The hear sticked to my Tizzy, I did the test again and did'nt really notice a difference between the sound (at 10x) in still or in video mode.

However, I was really surprised how it was noisy and busy in this little box!

I have to check if the noise of the mechanics is important when playing the video on my PC. Since it is intermittant I will sometimes check again. Thanks for your help and please tell us if you have news about this problem.

Berth

[ssiu]

I turn off Continuous AF, and have my ear touching the TZ1 LCD screen. When it is using OIS 1, I hear mechanical noise all the time. The noise is the same kind in both Photo and Movie mode, both 1x and 10x zoom, and I don't have to be actually taking a movie clip to hear it. The noise is loud enough that no one would have trouble hearing it when the ear is touching the LCD screen, but I am not able to hear it if my ear is more than about 1 inch away.

When in OIS 2 (Photo mode) or OIS off (both Photo and Movie mode), it is not completely silent, I can still hear some low volume noise when my ear is touching the LCD screen.

Does this seem like a problem? I'm guessing/hoping this is just the way continuous OIS normally works.

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As another test, I turn OIS off, but turn Continuous AF on, and put my ear to the LCD screen again. I keep the camera steady (i.e. should have no focus changes), but I can still hear a sound pattern -- a few seconds of silence, then a few seconds of mechnical sound (as if the lens are moving), cumulating with a "click" sound, and the pattern repeats again. Is *this* normal? I don't understand why it might be doing whatever it is doing ...

[jough]

There's a little servo-gyro in the lens to stabalize the image (originally designed for orbital satellites, no kidding) so yeah, you'll hear it if you press your ear to the camera.

I can just barely hear mine if I'm trying desperately to hear it in a quiet room. Add some CPU fan noise and I can't hear it even with my ear pressed against it, let alone holding it my hand normally.

[betaman]

Responding to jough and ssiu postings today:

According to my experience, you both have good cameras, provided that they behave consistently as you have described. When the whirring occurs, you will know it. You can be two feet away and hear it distinctly. Incidently, the audio frequency (pitch) is approximately 530 or 540 htz (the note D about an octave above middle C).

[jimwest]

Well, son of a gun, I also have a silver TZ1 I got from Circuit City mid-April. I tried the test mentioned above (movie mode, full 10X zoom) and the camera indeed started making a very scary metallic squeal, not unlike the sound of brakes with worn-out brake pads. Ok, maybe not as loud or high-pitched as worn brakes, but definitely louder than the ticking and clicking of the lens during normal operation and definitely audible in the movie file.

I guess I really should see about getting this replaced before it gets much worse and the 90-day labor warranty expires. On the other hand I don't use the movie mode or OIS-1 mode for stills that much, which is probably I haven't noticed it before. Also I already have a Delkin eFilm Screen Protector glued to the LCD, so I am not looking forward to this hassle.

[seluvsvols1]

Could we hear from some others that have the Tizzy with no problems?
I am planning on purchasing this little (what I think to be) gem tomorrow, but you guys are making me nervous!! especially since i was looking at CC but it seems to be a Panny problem-but still????
Also-John Reed- i may have missed the post but did you try the test and still no problem?
Those with the problem- can anyone else tell us your date of purchase and serial # too PLEASE?!?

[mystro544]

Could we hear from some others that have the Tizzy with no problems?
I am planning on purchasing this little (what I think to be) gem tomorrow, but you guys are making me nervous!! especially since i was looking at CC but it seems to be a Panny problem-but still????
Also-John Reed- i may have missed the post but did you try the test and still no problem?
Those with the problem- can anyone else tell us your date of purchase and serial # too PLEASE?!?

I've tried the test suggested without any problems.I'd also suggest you run this test on your new camera with the odds being it will not have a problem. Remember, all things machanical have a chance of failing and if you've been around these camera forums very long you already know this. ;)

Odds also favor you liking this camera alot. :cool:

[seluvsvols1]

Thanks SOO much!!

I am actually new to the digital camera scene - but not new to the fact that all things mechanical can fail!!:)
But when it seemed to be a recurring thing I started not wanted to let go of $400 :eek:
I have been reading the posts from the beginning for the past couple of hours -while also searching for the lowest price since we need it by early part next week- anyway I then saw many other wonderful review and pics !!
Hopefully this camera can make me look good:D and capture many "magical moments" of my kiddos at Disney WOrld and for a long time after that as well !!

[jough]

I have only heard of a single user having a problem with this camera, and that was in this thread.

On another forum a couple of folks seemed to get cameras where the greens or blues were more saturated than they should be. This happens from time to time with any CCD. Just make sure you give yourself at LEAST a few days to test your new camera before you go on a trip. That way you'll know if it's "good" or not, and have time to return it, plus of course have time to familiarize yourself with its settings and use before you lose shots in the wild because you don't know how to use your camera.

People like John Reed make the TZ1 look like the most amazing camera ever, but even photo dopes like me are getting good shots from the TZ1.

I posted some photos in a TZ1 photoset on Flickr (too bad they don't let you upload videos):

http://flickr.com/photos/jough/

Actually, all of my flickr photos were taken with the Tizzy.

I love this camera. It's my fifth digicam and the first that I've really felt confident with that I know I'll be able to get the shot. Having a long zoom again really feels good, too. My first digital camera, a Sony Mavica (one of those huge ones that recorded to floppy disc in SVGA less than a megapixel resolution) had an 8x optical zoom, and my previous few cameras all had only 3x, which is a big come-down.

I love the compact size, the super fast auto-focus, and the movie mode. When you can zoom in and get shots of your kids on the rides, then put the camera back in your pocket when you're done, that's clean livin'.

Back to your original fear, though, I haven't heard of many problems with the TZ1 - certainly no more than with any other camera (much less, actually) and if you get it at Circuit City you should have an easy time returning it.

Walmart sells the silver version too, so if you're looking for that one and want to be able to return it with no questions asked, their return policy is about as liberal as they come. I think you have 45 days to play with it and then return it for any reason, even if you just decide you don't like it. I think Circuit City gives you either two weeks or 30 days to return it - it's 30 days if you order online, but I remember someone saying that the in-store return policy was much shorter.

If you're leaning towards the TZ1 anyway, you may as well just try it out.

[nrbelex]

I'm the first who reported the whizzing issue. It didn't seem to affect picture quality but I'm sure it would have messed up the sound in movies. I returned it to Best Buy even though I couldn't reproduce the problem in front of the salesman with very little hassle and the second one was whir-free. If you go for it (and I suggest you do), look for deals online... Best Buy Online had it for $299 when I got it and I picked it up in the store 15 minutes later. The next day the sale was over :eek: :D . I love the camera... Good Luck!

~ Brett

[Yourfun2]

A number of TZ1's have been reported on this thread. I put mine in the movie mode at 10X zoom. Then I walked around the house with my ear on the camera. When I reached the bedroom, I had to take my ear off the camera. The noise is about as loud as my cats low cry. The problem is intermittent and it would probably never cause a problem. But I don't want to take the risk. I packed mine up and it is ready for an exchange through Circuit City. DMC-TZ1PP-K Purchased 5/22/06 Serial #FA6DA01806 R

The Tizzy Rocks!

RIch

[jough]

I bought mine from CircuitCity.com around the same time as you did, and my serial # (which I'll not post here) is very very close to yours, probably made within minutes of each other, and I can't make mine make noise.

So I don't know what this means, other than maybe the problem isn't evident off the line, but requires some minor (or major) jostling to knock something loose.

I still have a week to exchange mine if there's a problem. I'm hoping that if mine is going to fail it will do so soon. I've only taken about 500 shots and a couple dozen videos with it so far, though. I plan to take it out shooting this weekend pretty heavily.

[Yourfun2]

This is good to hear, I thought they may all be bad. You probably have a good one, but beware, it only happens intermittently in mode 1 at 10X zoom. The movie mode is the best test. I would give it another good workout, like I described. If you don't hear anything, consider it well tested. I know mine worked well 99% of the time and I wouldn't have noticed it, were it not for this thread.

Rich

[John_Reed]

People like John Reed make the TZ1 look like the most amazing camera ever, but even photo dopes like me are getting good shots from the TZ1.
I looked at your gallery. Some nice shots in there, especially I think I liked the indoor hallway shot with all the angles involved. I guess HDR handheld doesn't work so well outside with moving clouds?

But in any case, those were no "Photo dope" shots. Thanks for the link.

[jough]

it only happens intermittently in mode 1 at 10X zoom. The movie mode is the best test. I would give it another good workout, like I described. If you don't hear anything, consider it well tested.

I've been messing with it all day - ran through two full battery charges with the movie mode and zoom wide, tele, left it at tele for a while - the only noise I can ever hear is the aperture clicking open or closed to let in more or less light. Even the zoom is almost dead quiet, and when it's zooming the very very slight whirring sound is pleasing and much quieter than any other zoom pocket camera I've used.

I'm really trying to make it malfunction. I really am. I'll keep testing tomorrow but after this weekend I think I'm going to call this one a "keeper."

I hope your replacement doesn't exhibit the problem for you. I know how disappointing it can be to have your new toy not work. I'm usually unlucky with gadgets where the first one I get is usually bad. So I'm really testing this one thoroughly so it won't sneak up on me and fail later.

[jough]

I looked at your gallery. Some nice shots in there, especially I think I liked the indoor hallway shot with all the angles involved.

Thanks, John.


I guess HDR handheld doesn't work so well outside with moving clouds?

HDR doesn't work so well when anything in the shot is moving. It's neat sometimes to see a ghost plane going across the sky in the background, and you can achieve some gorgeous effects with running water (makes a waterfall look silky) but in general handheld or otherwise, you are taking an average of a scene where the three frames are taken a half a second apart from each other (or is it 1/3 of a second apart in auto-bracketing mode?). So trees will move, wind will blow, and your shot will get some ghosting.

I'd like to produce three separate exposures from a single RAW image for objects in motion, but alas, the TZ1 doesn't do RAW.

I'm experimenting now with soft matte compositing of only the subject of the photo, to make it HDRed while the background is from a single shot. It's time-consuming, though. I'm hoping to find some better photo editing tools (Photoshop plug-ins or otherwise) as I'm only now getting into photography more (now that I have a decent camera that I can carry around with me without having to worry that the shots are going to be blurry and useless).

I bought my previous camera, a very tiny shirt-pocketable Minolta Xt, for the purpose of always having a camera with me, then I never used it or left it at home because I needed bright sunlight and a tripod to take clear shots. Otherwise everything is noisy or blurry. Not so with the Tizzy. I can damn near shake the thing and the shots are perfectly in focus.

And shots being in focus is my #1 criterion for photos. ;)

[John_Reed]

Thus confirming once again my suspicion that Tizzy is a "Trojan Horse" for the new technology that will show up in the FZ40 and/or the L1 later on. The new "linear AF" truly is faster and more accurate at focusing than my FZ30's AF mechanism. I'm getting better Bird in Flight shots with Tizzy than I was able to achieve previously with the FZ30.

[seluvsvols1]

People like John Reed make the TZ1 look like the most amazing camera ever, but even photo dopes like me are getting good shots from the TZ1.
I completely agree with John! I see no evidence of a photo dope at all!!
as for me ... well I'll expose my dopeyness...

I LOVE the HDR shots esp of the dark sky and sunsets!!!
Can you guys explain that to me?(i am pretty new to digital photography though I've read more tahn I care too even admit the past few weeks)
I saw the bracketing function with no clue how to use it.



When you can zoom in and get shots of your kids on the rides, then put the camera back in your pocket when you're done, that's clean livin'.

any tips on how to get 'ride' shots? I'll be taking at lot of those next week


If you're leaning towards the TZ1 anyway, you may as well just try it out.
Well I got it and am soo excited to play with it tomorrow
:D

[jough]

I LOVE the HDR shots esp of the dark sky and sunsets!!!
Can you guys explain that to me?(i am pretty new to digital photography though I've read more tahn I care too even admit the past few weeks)
I saw the bracketing function with no clue how to use it.

It's very easy to take the photos.

You just press the EV button twice and it takes you to the auto-bracketing mode. At the time you select it the setting is "off." Then you select your bracketing range in 1/3 EV increments.

Basically the camera will take three shots in one second (it takes three separate shots, so be careful not to move the camera between shots take a photo of something moving because it will be all blurred when you composite them) at a negative EV, 0, and the positive EV setting you've selected.

So you'll have an underexposed shot, a "neutral" shot, and an overexposed shot.

From the underexposed shot you'll get the shadow detail, and the overexposed shot will show highlights and bright things.

The software (I use Photomatix because it allows for easier control and to my eye makes for more dramatic photos - it is pretty much the HDR gold standard) then produced a high dynamic range shot based on pulling shadows and highlights from the three low dynamic range photos.

One nice artifact of the HDR process is that compression noise tends to be averaged out, since the three shots will have different noise profiles. I'm finding that with heavy HDR contrast I'm getting a very pleasing film-grain-like effect.



any tips on how to get 'ride' shots? I'll be taking at lot of those next week


When in doubt, put the slider to the "heart" and just snap away. You can do better, of course, but you'll need to experiment a lot with other settings. The "heart" mode is very simple and while it removes some control from you it also will let pretty much anyone get the shot.

There are some scene modes for high-action stuff that is good for taking photos of things in motion.

You can improve your "ride shots" though by doing what most parents do not, and that is to stand off-center and take photos of your child coming towards you or moving away from you - most parents seem to stand right in the middle of a ride (say something that goes around and around) and then they hurry to take the shot of their child right during the split second that their child is in front of them. By standing off to the side and shooting along the axis of the ride you have more time to frame and snap the photo.

This may seem obvious, but note the cluster of parents all standing in the middle of rides all trying to take photos.



Well I got it and am soo excited to play with it tomorrow
:D

Congratulations! I'll look forward to seeing your photos.

Also, join the TZ1 owners Flickr Group to share your stuff and see what others are doing with their Tizzys:

http://flickr.com/groups/tz1/

I think it was founded by another contributor here.

[ryanbrancel]

Jough - I was just looking at your shots on Flickr the other day and enjoyed them! I happened to stumble across that TZ-1 group on Flickr just the other day (started up by a fellow Madisonian). Thanks for this write-up. So if the auto-bracketing is set to -1/3, 0, +1/3, is that enough of a range?

[jough]

I've found that +/- 1/3 EV is not really enough range to get a decent HDR photo, but YMMV.

I tend to use +/- 1 which is the far end of the auto-bracket range. I figure a little is good, more is better, right?

I'm still experimenting and trying to learn these things myself, though, so please do not take anything I say as gospel. Well, not about photography, anyway. You can accept my word as expert on things like information architecture or poetry.

But photography? I'm still stumbling around with it. I'm having loads of fun, though. The Tizzy is just the most fun I've had with a camera since my first (a 110 film cheapie that I "won" for selling candy or something in 2nd or 3rd grade).

[nrbelex]

I spent a couple days at the Jersey Shore and got some nice shots. Included here are a few. In the night ones I was experimenting with modes and they're only here to show you that they could really be great with a tripod. To see exactly what mode I used, check the EXIF data (edit: It appears that not all the mode data is stored in the exif and I deleted the shots off the camera so I might not be able to tell you...).

(Click to enlarge)
http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/1349/1804295912257856836_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1804295912257856836)
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/103/1890011226018051012_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1890011226018051012)
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/1437/1720550893932495442_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1720550893932495442)
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/1495/1404962846526387725_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1404962846526387725)
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/375/1853955956268580737_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1853955956268580737)
http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/5/1138869854530109925_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1138869854530109925)
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/73/1209344537722145894_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1209344537722145894)
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/2169/1811299032453237981_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1811299032453237981)
(it was pitch black in the above shot and I used starry sky mode for 15 seconds)

Whadya think?

~ Brett

[jough]

If you use a scene mode that *is* stored in the Exif data, although it just has a number. Someone on either this or the dpreview forum posted a table of # to scene modes so you can look it up later. Heck, it may even be in the manual.

However, Photoshop seems to replace a lot of the Panasonic-specific Exif tags with its own, even if you just crop a photo and click "save" or "save as".

Also, does anyone know of a photo viewer/browser that will show you Exif data in Windows? I've been using Picasa lately but it doesn't seem to show all of the Exif tags.

[nrbelex]

Also, does anyone know of a photo viewer/browser that will show you Exif data in Windows? I've been using Picasa lately but it doesn't seem to show all of the Exif tags.

I also use Picasa but if I want to know more, I use ExifReader (http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/) which is about as simple as they come. No installation necessary; it's just an executable. Another bigger, more full featured one I stumbled across is ExifPro Image Viewer (http://www.exifpro.com/). Let me know what you think. Also, I looked for the list of Exif tag to mode conversion list but couldn't find it. Any idea where it is?

~ Brett

[maccrazy]

Your photos look great. There doesn't seem to be as much noise in them as the samples on the review, especially the photo (http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album19&id=P1000859) you took in burst mode.

I'm just wondering a few things about ISO though. I thought high ISOs were for faster shutter speeds, ie. to take photos of fast moving objects. However, looking at this photo (http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album19&id=P1000631) for example which obviously doesn't have fast movement, the camera has used a high ISO. I've also noticed this in my own photos, particular indoors. Why does the camera need to use a high ISO in this situation? Would you not be able to get a better result with ISO100? :confused:

[Dmares]

Your photos look great. There doesn't seem to be as much noise in them as the samples on the review, especially the photo (http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album19&id=P1000859) you took in burst mode.

I'm just wondering a few things about ISO though. I thought high ISOs were for faster shutter speeds, ie. to take photos of fast moving objects. However, looking at this photo (http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album19&id=P1000631) for example which obviously doesn't have fast movement, the camera has used a high ISO. I've also noticed this in my own photos, particular indoors. Why does the camera need to use a high ISO in this situation? Would you not be able to get a better result with ISO100? :confused:

That is a good question. I let the camera choose the ISO value, because I think that the software will choose the best settings. But you are right with the ISO quote. The higher the ISO the sharper the picture will be at fast moving objects.
Cheers
Dennis

[Ajajong]

Here in Holland the Tizzy is quite popular, only some shops had it for the official Panasonic price. Finally we have got our Tizzy.... and cheaper... It is the black one what my daughter got as birthday present. She is glad with it and it really shoots nice pics!!!:D

[betaman]

This is good to hear, I thought they may all be bad. You probably have a good one, but beware, it only happens intermittently in mode 1 at 10X zoom. The movie mode is the best test. I would give it another good workout, like I described. If you don't hear anything, consider it well tested. I know mine worked well 99% of the time and I wouldn't have noticed it, were it not for this thread.

Rich

To all those left hanging by my reports of OIS failure, this is the current scoop. I was able, with some effort, to contact Pany upper level customer relations, and ultimately reach a professional photographer on the staff. What a relief after a month plus of exasperation with Circuit City. Pany exchanged my camera (#2) for a new one which appears to be free of the problem. I am very pleased with Panasonic's reponse, and pleased to have actually engaged in meaningful dialogue with people who care. Pany clearly acknowledged the malfunction in the copy I returned to them, and is forwarding it to Japan. We will probably never know how prevalent this defect is, but just for kicks I just checked out display cameras at Best Buy and CompUSA. The latter was a lemon with the identical problem, but unfortunately I couldn't read the SN. That makes 3 out of 6 copies that I have actually had my hands on. I'm guessing that it was an early production flaw that has been remedied, but that is only a guess.
Incidently, I really like this camera. The saga with Circuit City was an entirely different matter, easily the most aggravating consumer experience I can ever remember.

[maccrazy]

Do you think some TZ1s have more noise than others? If you take a look at these photos (http://www.pbase.com/steffanovich/tizzie_walks_in_dc), they seem to have far less noise than the sample photos in the review. If so, is there a range on serial numbers that is known to be better than others (perhaps newer cameras)?:confused:

[Dmares]

Hi There

this camera is sensationell ! We were on a night tour (turtle walk) no flash allowed and the only light was a tiny torch. I set the camera to high senivity, and shut of the flash. There were there is a bit of light you can see very good:
http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album19&id=P1000498

http://dmares.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album19&id=P1000499

Cheers
Dennis

[maccrazy]

Well, I've ordered a TZ1 which I am picking up tomorrow (after looking at sample photos, I decided the noise wasn't huge issue and it was worth it for the extra zoom and excellent movie mode). :D

I'm happy to post some sample photos and videos and full resolution if anyone is interested in seeing more samples to make comparisons (though it won't be for about a week and a half). :)

[mystro544]

The hard to get in the US Blue(A) model is now at B&H Photo:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/sitem/sku=422512&is=REG&bi=E15

[Jimriddle]

Yet another Doug sample gallery:

http://lerner.net/doug/AroundNeighborhood/

This time I switched back to stabilizer mode 1. I think, regardless of what it says in the manual, that mode 1 works better overall for the zoom shots.

Look how clear that one of the policemen came out at maximum zoom!

doug


Doug - I wanted to ask you, if your 'policeman' pic was taken in vivid or natural mode? I've noticed that most, if not all, of my 10x zoom photos , in natural mode, are soft, almost misty looking, though I can post-process them in photoshop and make them a lot crisper. In this now extensive thread, I noted that quite a few posters had returned what they believed to be a dud camera. Having come late to tz1 ownership here in the UK, I'm beginning to wonder if I might have bought a 'return' from the supplier here - the fact that the box wasn't sealed (other than a 'checked by retailer' sticker) left my feeling uneasy.


It's a pity that there isn't some sort of universal subject (under universal conditions..hah!!) that we could photograph, anywhere in the world, to provide some sort of benchmarking.....I'm sure this must be an old idea and not a real-world possibility. How about the moon!?

Any light you might be able to throw on this would be appreciated. I just need to try and convince myself that my tz1 is up to scratch (I don't have the squealing motor syndrome in mode 1 of OIS so that's a thumbs up at least.)

many thanks
Jim

[bostonwolf]

I love all your pictures of Japan. My FZ-30 and I will be there from September to January as I am spending my fall semester of business school at Waseda.

I can't wait to get there and explore (and learn Japanese as I do.)

Any good restaurants or tips would be appreciated!

[EdGreene]

To all those left hanging by my reports of OIS failure, this is the current scoop. I was able, with some effort, to contact Pany upper level customer relations, and ultimately reach a professional photographer on the staff. What a relief after a month plus of exasperation with Circuit City. Pany exchanged my camera (#2) for a new one which appears to be free of the problem. I am very pleased with Panasonic's reponse, and pleased to have actually engaged in meaningful dialogue with people who care. (SNIP)
Care to reveal the "pipeline" to that upper level Pany customer service manager person?
Phone number(s) perhaps? URLs?

[betaman]

Care to reveal the "pipeline" to that upper level Pany customer service manager person?
Phone number(s) perhaps? URLs?

Ed - Sorry for the delay in response. My Pany initial contact for resolution was Warren Martin = (757) 382-4424. He was courteous, understanding, and most importantly, effective in resolving the problem. I never learned how widespread the problem was, but my current copy (#3) is doing fine - SN FA6EA06395 R. My bad cameras were SNs ending in numbers less than 02000

My comments on the camera: PROs: Extraordinary good match of optics, sensor, and precision/accuracy of all functions. Macro function is excellent. Vignetting and corner softness and CA are excellent. I'm an optics freak and in my opinion this lens is a miracle of design and fabrication. CONs: Green/blue color calibration problem (fixable in any editor) and much noise with uncontrollable aggressive filtering above 100 ISO (I simply limit to 80 or 100, and seldom run out of light with f2.8 and OIS).

Once again, I reiterate that my experience with Circuit City was a real eye opener which I intend never to repeat.

[Croner]

Has anyone had their TZ1 freeze on them? I just bought one and it froze, turning grey with some noise, when I was messing around with the white balance manual setting. Granted, I just put in a new transcend 2gb 150x card, without formatting it.

Still I'd like to know if anyone has experience with freezing, I want to find out the most I can before my 30 days is up.

[JMBZ71]

I haven't had any problems whatsoever with mine but I've only had it for about 6 weeks. I wouldn't suspect the flash card though unless the camera did this while you were writing to/reading from the card.

JMBZ71

[choubak]

Hi all

It has been reported on french boards that Pana TZ1 suffered from strange
halos when used in 350mm ( long end of the zoom )

Here are a few images , concerning this kind of problem

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1_10x.html

Can someone help me about that ? John Reed can answer too :)

In fact, I really hesitate between 2 products : TZ1 and FZ7

Next year I am gonna make a trip and visit Kruger park ( south africa )
I am planning to use 350 mm trying to catch animals , if I can
According to you , does TZ1 have the ability to do it ?

Sorry for my questions

[Gaffle]

Has anyone had their TZ1 freeze on them? I just bought one and it froze, turning grey with some noise, when I was messing around with the white balance manual setting.

No freezing for me. I have had my TZ1 since August. I have had no problems with it. Some artifacts have appeared in a few photos, but nothing that has me going crazy. I don't like the amount of noise the pana cameras have, but I can't find anything I like to replace my TZ1.

[tim11]

Hi all

It has been reported on french boards that Pana TZ1 suffered from strange
halos when used in 350mm ( long end of the zoom )

Here are a few images , concerning this kind of problem

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/pages_perso/bertolino/images/tz1_10x.html


Am I blind or something? I checked out 5 images and see no halos?

[choubak]

Can John reed answer please :)
Have you notified that issue ?
Could you post some long end zoom images please , thanks

I don't know what to do with it
It seems that images are washed out at long end of the zoom
The images dont look as sharp as in wide angle

Could someone help ?

Thanks

[tim11]

Choubak,
What did you mean by 'halos' effect? Do you really mean 'hazy'? I can see the haze on scenery shots, but that is to be expected when you take photos in hash sunlight. The effect is multiplied the longer zoom you use.
Shooting under the same circumstance, you will see that effect on any cameras.
The best time is before 10 am and after 4. pm. unless you don't have a choice. Polarizing filter might help.

[JMBZ71]

Choubak... I'm guessing you're referring to the halo effect you see when attempting to shoot a spherical light source such as the setting sun or bright reflected light on a spherical object like the moon.

I'm not sure how much of it is caused by the lens system on the TZ1 and how much of it's due to the Venus III engine's processing of intense light, but I see the halo effect in those type of shots with my TZ1 as well. But as Tim said, as far as the haze effect on scenery shots goes, I think that's to be expected as well, when shooting in bright sunlight.

Perhaps others can better explain how the lens system works in tandem with the camera's sensor when using zoom. But full zoom shots of distant objects or scenery are seldom as crisp as wide-angle shots because, if I understand it correctly, your camera is, in effect, cropping the shot to appear to bring the object or scene closer to you.

JMB :)

[choubak]

But full zoom shots of distant objects or scenery are seldom as crisp as wide-angle shots because, if I understand it correctly, your camera is, in effect, cropping the shot to appear to bring the object or scene closer to you.

JMB :)

Thanks JMB

Let me try to explain myself better
I have to get sure that TZ1 produces sharp or crisp shots , when wide angle is used and when 350mm is used :)
I definitively thing that TZ1 is The camera I will buy
Could someone post some crisp shots at long end of the zoom

Thank you guys

[JMBZ71]

Choubak, I have a couple of shots posted at the link below. One sunset and one sunrise. Both were taken at full zoom (350mm) with a TZ1. I wouldn't call either shot "crisp" but artistically, I like both shots, so I suppose it depends on what you're looking for.

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7499&page=73

You can also go to a 2nd link (below) where I have a shot of a Whitetail deer bedded down in a bean field, also taken at full zoom (350mm). Is the shot DSLR quality? No, but I certainly don't expect more from a $300 camera that I can fit in my pocket.

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25371

Regardless of which way you go, I hope these help you make a decision.

JMB :)

[gfrhodes]

see http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_tz1-review/index.shtml

Gene