Canon 20D Replacement Speculation thread

[wxcloud9xw]

I figure I'd start a speculation thread on what the 20D's replacement would have under the hood.

I was wondering what type of sensor and megapixels the new canon 20D replacement will have. I am guess either a 10.2mp cmos 1.6x or 10.8mp to outdo the d200 on numbers. If they do a a 10.2mp d30 it would allow for the same transistion of the rebel xt to a 10mp cmos later perhaps.

Ofcourse Canon could plant a big bombshell and do a 1.3x crop sensor at 10.2mp. Afterall they don't have but a few EF-S lenses out and wouldnt be a big loss.

let the speculations begin!

[JTL]

1.6x, 12MP. Are you giving odds? :D

[ktixx]

http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13979
Sort of the same topic
Nice to see you included "Speculation" in your post :)

[coldrain]

Whatever specs it will have, they will not be there to "out do" the Nikon D200, unless Canon has spies in the Nikon R&D labs... they do not quickly put a camera together, the planning for the 20D successor started when the 20D was put to market. Canon works with 5 year ahead planning.

And not only do they have to anticipate what Nikon is doing, also Olympus and the Konica-Minolta/Sony combination may come with very interesting DSLR's...

Canon has said in the past that they slowly will move to full frame in all models except the entry level. This will mean that 1.3x was just a stop gap till they could make a fast, high res. camera with full frame. Therefore I think they will not use 1.3x in the 20D successor. Since full frame is too expensive still for a sub 2000$ camera (the 5D is not much more than a 20D with full frame, minus flash unit, and costs quite a bit more still) it is safe to say the 20D will have an APS-C size sensor.

Since Canon will want a resolution advantage against its competitors, I think it will be a 12mp sensor. The sensor will probably be an advancement in dynamic range and noise behaviour, so it will then equal the 8mp 20D sensor in image quality.

I do not think Canon will weather seal it. Probably it will be priced below the D200, to undercut Nikon.

Name? Difficult to say. The follow up for the 300D was called 350D... a new thing in Canons naming convention. The 300D was called 300D because it was based on the EOS 300 (Rebel 2000 in the US). Since they will not use a 4 (bad luck in parts of Asia) the bump in their naming convention (350) may have had a reason...
The first EOS in the current naming convention was the EOS 10 (after the 1). The EOS D30 was called after the EOS 30/33 (elan 7 or something in the US). The D60 reflected the bump from 3mp to 6mp.
So, the EOS 10D was the first at starting the normal EOS numbering system, maybe. With the 20D this was followed... but the EOS 350D could not be a EOS 200, since it sounded less than 300. So how to pull the different model ranges together? A stop gap 350D. Since the 4 will not be used, I think the next one will be called 50D (to avoid confusion with the D30), and the follow up of the 350D will be called 500D. The 1 will remain 1, and the 5D will eventually become the 5D N or Mk II, depending in the changes.
Or, maybe it will be named 25D, and the 350D was the first model to introduce this new naming system....

What special features may it have? I do not think Canon is ready for an LCD preview option, so that would be out. Weather sealing, probably not since amateurs will rather be inside when it rains hard. I think it will just follow the line the 5D has set in feature advancement.

[wxcloud9xw]

nice input coldrain.

[Rex914]

Canon plans out way in advance, but the D200 was announced back in November, and I think that Canon still has a bit of time to "react" and adapt their product. They have a huge engineering and product development division with tons of R&D, so if anything, Canon has the resources to pull anything off in a short time frame.

That said, I'm leaning more toward a conservative upgrade that will bump up the MP count, the screen size to 2.5" and possibly bulk up the body to 5D quality if even that. I don't see Canon adding in spot metering or anything to bolster its feature set nor do I see them pulling off anything revolutionary (they will save that for next round). The only truly good part in my prediction comes in price. If Canon does a minor upgrade, the price will be quite low (perhaps $1199-$1299 body only?), and no matter how you look at it, that's a good thing.

Now this is complete guessing, I have a feeling that we'll see a new EF-S lens announced with this camera.

[GrimJeeper]

Do we have to talk about the successor to the 20D already? I just bought mine last month!!!!! :)

I did a lot of research before buying the 20D and actually waited to hear some initial feedback on the D200 from Nikon before deciding. Seemed to me that Nikon had created a camera that seemed on paper to be everything a serious amateur would want in a camera, but on photo paper, had some serious drawbacks. My bet, since we're speculating, is that Canon will stay relatively conservative with the replacement and they won't get in a big hurry about releasing it to ensure that they avoid the pitfalls that have been shown with the D200. I believe Nikon rushed the D200 to market trying to compete with Canon, hence their recent announcement that they are going to focus on digital. It's hard to improve on the 20D b/c it's darn near the perfect camera for the serious amateur/budding professional. Nothing else out there comes close. I've got four months of research that solidified my opinion. I certainly won't be upgrading.

[cwphoto]

Well we'll all know at the end of Feb.

[Rex914]

I do not assume responsibility for the image I've attached.

Here are the facts about this image.

1) This image appeared on a Chinese site and was promptly asked by Canon to remove it.

2) The lens is the 85L Mark II.

This is supposedly the Canon 20D successor although I'm hard pressed to really make out any differences. Some have commented on the lack of the word "digital" which is consistent with the 5D design. Some have extrapolated that it has a larger viewfinder. We'll see at the end of next month. For now, let this feed the fire.

As a reminder, this is what the old 85L looks like. Kinda different isn't it?

http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/canon_85_12/lens.jpg

[jamison55]

That actually looks more believable than some of the fakes that have been posted in the past.

I've also heard rumors of a 50mm L...

[coldrain]

A few things about the 20D's successor are clear now, it will be named EOS 35D. So no confusion with the EOS D30.

And it will be very much like the 20D (and 5D) in design. It is an APS-C sensor size camera, (so 1.6x crop factor).

Big unknown still: 10.x or 12.x mp resolution?

[Rex914]

Just outta cuiriosity, where's the picture from? Mine was from some Chinese site which I don't have the URL of off hand.

Found a connected picture, but nobody mentions the source. This one looks quite real although it really says nothing...

http://www.infodigitalcamera.com/35dbook.jpg

[cwphoto]

Rex,

That thing looks real enough, although how come a lowly entry-level Canon DSLR gets a manual that's better than a 1-series?

[Rex914]

Probably because it's a lot newer than a 1 series. Nikon did a lot of new stuff for the D200, and that's technically still a consumer camera at least in price. It's not a matter of how much the product costs and who it's geared towards. It's just whatever's newer. Manuals cost close to nothing to print out, and even hiring a designer and technical writer to write it up is negligible compared to product development costs, marketing, etc.

All I'm saying is that the quality and price of a product have no bearing on the quality of the documentation and accompanying materials. :)

[arigato]

Hmm, the manual looks different but what really looks odd to me is just how thin it is. It looks as thick as pamphlet to me. Perhaps its only written in one language?

[Rex914]

The mystery continues. If you noticed, the booklet says canon.jp/35d

Try visting that, and it reroutes to the 5d site. Try other combinations like 25d, 30d, and it gives file not found or other kinds of errors. Hmm...

[Anim8me2]

This is done for people who enter the wrong address for the 5D page.
Try any variation (canon.jp/15d, 25d, etc.) they will all re-route you to 5D page.