Err...KM 5D or Olympus E500

[insertnamehere]

Sorry to be reallllly boring, but I'm kind of stuck choosing between the two :confused:

I've ruled out the others - the D50 because of handling and the 350D because of cost & handling. I was wondering whether anyone could think of any significant differences between the two, because I'm at a loose end. I intend to be shooting a range of stuff, so I want a camera that has some versatility and that I can grow into.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[Rambler358]

Both are great cameras, read the reviews and check out the pictures from each. Also check out this other thread which is closely related:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15660

Good luck!:)

[George Riehm]

Sorry to be reallllly boring, but I'm kind of stuck choosing between the two :confused:

I've ruled out the others - the D50 because of handling and the 350D because of cost & handling. I was wondering whether anyone could think of any significant differences between the two, because I'm at a loose end. I intend to be shooting a range of stuff, so I want a camera that has some versatility and that I can grow into.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Between these two, in my opinion, the 5D will serve you better. The E-500 will fall short in high ISO/low light shooting, and the antishake (AS) feature on the 5D actually works quite well, and will add to the low light and long telephoto picture capabilities.

The D50 and the 350D are actually a little better cameras, but again the 5D has a lot going for it.

Bon Foto.

[Rambler358]

The D50 and the 350D are actually a little better cameras, but again the 5D has a lot going for it.
Ignore that man behind the curtain! :eek: The 5D is just as good a camera as the others. :D

[Jason25]

Between the 2, I would go for the 5D personally, due to the AS and better low-light performance. :)

[George Riehm]

Ignore that man behind the curtain! :eek:

Thanks for that. I always appreciate when someone makes it personal.

The 5D is just as good a camera as the others. :D

Glad to see you state an opinion, as that is what these forums are for. You might want to explain why you think the 5D is better than the D50 and 350D. Although, it may be a moot point as insertnamehere has already negated these cameras due to ergonomics. So that only leaves the 5D and E-500 on his list anyway.

P.S. Just out of curiousity did you ever get the 7D?

[Rambler358]

You might want to explain why you think the 5D is better than the D50 and 350D.
That wasn't a personal attack - but a reference to the Wizard of Oz. ;) I stated the 5D was just as good as - not better.

P.S. Just out of curiousity did you ever get the 7D?
Just waiting on UPS to come pay me a visit. :)

[George Riehm]

That wasn't a personal attack - but a reference to the Wizard of Oz. ;) I stated the 5D was just as good as - not better.


Just waiting on UPS to come pay me a visit. :)

Yeah, I got the connection to the wizard of Oz. But the wizard was really a flim-flam man, trying to decieve everyone for self-gain, so for the sake of argument I will assume that the reference was misrepresented (or misinterpreted).;)

Believe what you will. One of the 5D's weakneses is limited high ISO performance (a similar problem to the E-500). Again, overall I liked using the 5D, and it has a lot going for it. I would recommend it in the same breath as the D50.

But since you are getting the 7D, this is kind-of a none issue, as it seems to get better overall ratings in picture quality, and at least as good as its competitors. Going back to your original post it seems like a good match (I mean that in a good way).

Seriously, I am interested in how the 7D performs in real life, out there in the weeds, so to speak. So please keep us posted.

Thanks.

[Rambler358]

Yeah, I got the connection to the wizard of Oz. But the wizard was really a flim-flam man, trying to decieve everyone for self-gain, so for the sake of argument I will assume that the reference was misrepresented (or misinterpreted).;)
Hey, that Oz Wizard turned out to be a really a nice guy! :D

Believe what you will. One of the 5D's weakneses is limited high ISO performance (a similar problem to the E-500).
I haven't seen any evidence of this, either from reviews or user pics. :confused:

But since you are getting the 7D, this is kind-of a none issue, as it seems to get better overall ratings in picture quality, and at least as good as its competitors. Going back to your original post it seems like a good match (I mean that in a good way).
I was simply trying to help out the original poster when you stated the D50 and 350D were better cameras. And I'm not doubting they're great cams - I've seen pictures from these showing the evidence of that. But I can't say I've seen better in terms of picture quality over the 5D, mainly when the differences will be due to the actual lens being used. :cool:

Seriously, I am interested in how the 7D performs in real life, out there in the weeds, so to speak. So please keep us posted.
I plan to. It'll take me a little bit to get familiar with it, but hopefully should be able to put up some first pics with it pretty soon. I'll be starting off with a Tokina ATX 24-200mm f/3.5-5.6 zoom. Obviously not as good as primes and the more expensive zooms, but good enough to get me by (IMHO) and see what KM's new lenses will be for 2006.

[insertnamehere]

Thanks for your opinions. I guess that one thing that I really like about the 5D is its aesthetic - many people hate the way it looks, but it feels like a proper camera. It's chunky and utalitarian and makes a loud click when you press the shutter. In short it feels really powerful.

Having said that, I'll still go back to the shop to test them both out before deciding.

Anthony

[Rambler358]

Having said that, I'll still go back to the shop to test them both out before deciding.
That's really your best bet. The E-500 is actually a very good camera if you don't need really high ISOs.

[Zuiko]

Try them!
Try them!!!
Try them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diferences aren`t so big. By camera which will fit your hands. And your mind too :)

PS: look at the lenses. That is more important. You are going in to sistem, not camera ;)

[Zuiko]

Try them!
Try them!!!
Try them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diferences aren`t so big. By camera which will fit your hands. And your mind too :)

PS: look at the lenses. That is more important. You are going in to sistem, not camera ;) Sorry for bad spelling and typing :o

[insertnamehere]

Thanks guys - don't worry about typos - you think I can speak Croatian... :p

[Zuiko]

I just remembered a conversation betven me and sailsman in photo store last weak. He claims me that digitals are inferior to film and to back up claim he shows me some average photos from EOS 20d. We were talking about colours and resolution and when I told him that I can get beter photos with my 5mp camera he starts to lought. After that I went out of store and takes some shots, come back and compare them to pictures from EOS 20d. He was confused. Than I tell him that he should look at the lens that he used. . .light swiched on . . .he used 18-55 on Canon EOS20d and blaiming camera for bad photos.
I know that this story sounds fake. . .sailsman in photo store should know that 18-55 is not a good, but average lens. But :) seems that anybody can sales cameras.
What I want to tell is: Don`t buy outstanding camera and bad or average lens. That`s the reason because I finished in OLY camp. For reasonable amount of money I can buy nice combo (28-400 with two fast, sharp, watherproof, dustsealed lenses with low CA and flaire. . .and all of that on watherproof and excelent build camera which suits me perfectly). I don7t telling you to buy Olympus. Other sistems heve nice combos too. You must decide what is best for you.
Don`t just look at camera specifications, and look with which lenses they tests the camera. Usualy they use pro lenses that cost 3-4 EOS350d. If you dont buy that kind of lenses you will not see on yours pictures what you see on pictures from tests.
Sorry on bad english, again :o

[insertnamehere]

Interesting point - one of the reasons that I like the Minolta and the Olympus was because of the kit lenses which are quite decent. By comparison, the Canon/Nikon equivalents are a lot worse. Although this isn't a real reason to choose in preference, it makes a difference as all of the various systems have a variety of decent lenses to choose from (even though some have a wider choice...) and when you factor that into the price, it does make quite a difference.

[insertnamehere]

Anyway - I tested them out again and seeing as I could find no difference apart from the AntiShake, and a small price difference (minolta is cheaper), I went for the Konica Minolta - still waiting for a memory card, then will be off taking many many many photos :D Thanks for your help

Anthony

[Zuiko]

Which lens/es do you chose?

[insertnamehere]

For the time being, just the standard 18-70 kit lens - it has a good range and the optics are decent (if not professional) and I want to learn how to use the camera properly before splurging on something else more expensive.

[George Riehm]

For the time being, just the standard 18-70 kit lens - it has a good range and the optics are decent (if not professional) and I want to learn how to use the camera properly before splurging on something else more expensive.

I know I keep repeating this, but investing in a Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 will open up a whole additional dimension to your shooting experience.;)

[coldrain]

I know I keep repeating this, but investing in a Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 will open up a whole additional dimension to your shooting experience.;)
George, I think he decided on a KM so that nikkor might not be the best idea ;)

[Rambler358]

I know I keep repeating this, but investing in a Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 will open up a whole additional dimension to your shooting experience.;)

Not with a KM-5D. I think he'd prefer the KM 50mm f/1.7 :D

[George Riehm]

Nope. I was thinking Nikkor all the way...:o

[insertnamehere]

I take your point, but for now, I need to learn how to use the camera properly and how to play around with the various settings to get a result - until I can do that, then it is difficult to justify spending extra money.