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Andy.ro
10-06-2004, 12:00 PM
i ordered my fz20 2 days ago from dabs.com ..next day delivery and it was here this morning :) happy me

i'm still coming from a small little digital camera ..Canon Digital Ixus I which has an ok image quality ...but NO zoom, no control over aperture/speed ...so that's just my excuse for picture framing ..


Enjoy :

http://www.andy.ro/1.jpg


http://www.andy.ro/2.jpg


http://www.andy.ro/3.jpg








removed noise from all images using neat image ..which has profiles for fz20 btw ..and a bit of cropping/hue/levels ...you know ... the usual
thanx for watching

Andy.ro
10-06-2004, 12:02 PM
http://www.andy.ro/4.jpg


http://www.andy.ro/5.jpg


http://www.andy.ro/6.jpg

John_Reed
10-06-2004, 12:23 PM
I didn't see your EXIF data, but what ISO were you using, and why did you feel compelled to remove noise? Was it glaringly obvious? Can you post a "Before" and "After" photo comparison to show why you did it?

Andy.ro
10-06-2004, 12:40 PM
well ..i am used to my Canon quality. and i must say most of the times is better at iso 100.

Anyway, this one is at iso 80, F6.5 , 1/500 . Just altered the saturation of the sky.

640x480 crop of before and after


http://www.andy.ro/before.jpg


after neatimage with sharpness and filtering (advanced command in neatimage)

http://www.andy.ro/after.jpg



IMO ... the camera is worth the money...12zoom+IS ... the only thing that's a bit bothering is the post processing (noise) ...but for a camera at this price, i'm willing to do it :)

Jayde
10-06-2004, 12:46 PM
Great pics ..Congrats Andy.. squirrels is :cool: m8
yeh ignore noise, have fun :D
FZ10
http://www.jwcl13731.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/JW/BF1.gif
and
BF2.JPG
BF3.JPG
BF4.JPG
SWAN1.JPG see it ?
SWAN2.JPG yeh this.

John_Reed
10-06-2004, 01:11 PM
well ..i am used to my Canon quality. and i must say most of the times is better at iso 100.
I thought the "Neat Image" processed one lost a little in the translation, particularly between the rungs of the ladder. I was wondering if you'd see the sky noise on a print? 'Cause it has slightly better image sharpness than does the processed version. That's actually a tough exposure subject, with the overly-bright reflections off the frame members. Challenging subject!

judge9847
10-06-2004, 01:33 PM
well ..i am used to my Canon quality. and i must say most of the times is better at iso 100.

Anyway, this one is at iso 80, F6.5 , 1/500 . Just altered the saturation of the sky.

after neatimage with sharpness and filtering (advanced command in neatimage)
(Removed the links to the pictures - no point in duplicating)
You shouldn't have to post process like that ... I don't think it should be necessary.

There was another thread recently where a guy was "observing" that he was seeing noise and moiré patterns in a photo of a building that he'd taken with this FZ20. You can read it here. (http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1370)

I've been pondering a bit further since that post and I think - and that's dangerous territory! - that it might just be better to limit the use of the IS to situations where it's likely to be needed.

I've got this (crazy?) idea that the IS isn't that effective when there's even moderate light around unless longish zoom is being used. And if you think about it, why should it be? The camera, with that lens, really should be capable of dealing with almost any reasonable conditions without the need to switch the IS on.

I think - and this now looks like being the second example of it - that the IS might just be affecting the quality of the photo. For the FZ10, Panasonic themselves did recommend turning it off to get better quality images - but I can't find that comment at the moment!

I'm more and more convinced that the IS is absolutely brilliant for all the conditions where you'd really like to have it - but only then. But that it's not so good for those times when it's not necessary and I'm including in there times when the camera is securely mounted. If you think about it, IS shouldn't really be necessary then. I also have got the idea that if the zoom isn't towards it's highest end, IS isn't necessary.

I haven't had a chance to test my own theories yet - and I'm not going to be able to do it now until Friday earliest - but I will. So if anyone else would like to test my theory as well, and let us know how you get on, particularly with the FZ20, it would be good.

And if you all think I'm going bonkers, please feel free to say :o

Andy.ro
10-06-2004, 02:05 PM
there's no point in arguing about IS. I just this in another thread at dpreview .

If the camera stays on a tripod i would rather turn IS off. Full zoom i would turn it on even during daytime, but for the rest ...i'll keep it off unless i fell i need it ( low light conditions)

What else ... i don't know about the printing of the pictures... if the noise is still visible, but i know i printed a couple of my canon post processed photos and they we're ok after neat image.

Again, i agree that by using neat image you loose some artifacts ...but then, it looks (imo) much better than not applying it on the photos

Mort
10-06-2004, 06:24 PM
Great pics Andy, Thanks for sharing. :cool:

A great objective for me to shoot for. Nice to know what is possible. :D