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smithkt
09-27-2005, 02:12 PM
Budget

$300-$400

Size

Not really important. Probably prefer something in the compact range, like the size of a Canon A620

Features

How many megapixels will suffice for you?
Mostly printing 4x6 with the occasional 8x10. From everything I've read, something in the 5MP range should be more than sufficient. If a higher MP camera would be better, that would be fine.

* What optical zoom will you need?
Standard 3x-4x is fine

* How important is “image quality” to you? (Rate using a scale of 1-10)
9-10

Do you care for manual controls?
I'd prefer a camera that would be good for 90% of pictures using some sort of preset, but am not against using manual controls when the situation requires it.

General Usage

* What will you generally use the camera for?
Will be used in a variety of settings, such as outdoor bbq, indoor family gatherings, vacation beach pics, indoor gym settings during karate tournaments, longer distance shots of kids on stage for various functions. In other words, It will be used in a very large variaty of settings so it need to be versital. It's understood that no camera would be able to capture every situation perfectly.

* Will you be making big prints of your photos or not?
Occasional 8x10.

Will you be shooting a lot of indoor photos or low light photos?

Yes. Under various lights. Ambient sunlight, flouresant, incandecant.

Will you be shooting sports and/or action photos?
Occasional karate photos, but they aren't always high speed, I mostly try to capture moments which are relatively still for a few seconds. Shutter response would be more important than being able to capture a moving object. I want to be able to press the button and have it capture the intended moment in time rather than 3 seconds later.

Miscellaneous

Are there particular brands you like or hate?
Currenty own an Olympus Stylus 410. This is what happens when you don't do enough research first. This camera takes very nice outdoor shots on sunny days. Everything else it is pretty bad at. Indoor shots are frequently blurry, or off-color. Built in white balance adjustments seem to do a lousy job. The shutter response is terrible which I assume is because of the difficulty it has focusing. I was very put off by it. Probably would not buy another Olympus.

Are there particular models you already have in mind?

The bottom line is the two most difficult situations I have had with the Olympus camera were anything indoors and anything with distance. The effective flash range just wasn't large enough. From what I've read about the F10 it sounds like it will do an excellent job on the indoor shots, but since there is no ability to use an external flash, I am concerned about longer distance shots. The Cannon A6x0 cameras support external flashes and even other lenses so it sounds more versitle and could possibly produce better shots at longer range, but I haven't seen enough mention of how well it does with indoor shots in lower and unusual lighting. The Fuji also appears to have a natural light setting which can take photos without a flash even in less than optimal lighting. Can the Canon do this?

I'm not married to either of these, they just both seems to be getting good press.


(If applicable) Do you need any of the following special features? (Wide Angle, Image Stabilization, Weatherproof, Hotshoe, Rotating LCD)

None of these features are particularly important. Just need a camera that is relatively easy to use that takes good pictures. I'm not afraid to do post processing either, though I have little experience with it. I've toyed with Photoshop Elements a bit in the past.

tim11
09-28-2005, 07:29 PM
Two P&S cameras you can use indoors without flash: Olympus Stylus 800 & Fuji FinePix 10. Both have max ISO1600. That's the reason for their indoors ability. But some people complain the Oly800 pictures at higher ISO is too noisy. (Would you rather have a noisy pic or no picture at all?)
In comparison, Canon A620 has max ISO400. Do you often have to use the camera indoors without flash? Keep in mind that most in-built flash range is about 3 metres only.
I like the indoors ability of the Oly800 and Fuji10 but xD card is a minus to me. Like you, I love the versatility of A620. Just pop a tele lens to it... and utilise all the controls.
Are you sure A620 supports external flash? I don't think so.

JTL
09-28-2005, 10:24 PM
Are you sure A620 supports external flash? I don't think so.The Canon A620 (and A610) both absolutely support the Canon HF-DC1 external flash, as well as the Vivitar DF200 and numerous other flashes.

tim11
09-28-2005, 10:47 PM
The Canon A620 (and A610) both absolutely support the Canon HF-DC1 external flash, as well as the Vivitar DF200 and numerous other flashes.
You are right; that's confirmed on Canon website.
I previously read through REVIEWS & INFO and it says:
"External flash support: No" Is that a mistake?

eastbluffs
09-28-2005, 11:22 PM
Two P&S cameras you can use indoors without flash: Olympus Stylus 800 & Fuji FinePix 10. Both have max ISO1600. That's the reason for their indoors ability. But some people complain the Oly800 pictures at higher ISO is too noisy. (Would you rather have a noisy pic or no picture at all?)
In comparison, Canon A620 has max ISO400. Do you often have to use the camera indoors without flash? Keep in mind that most in-built flash range is about 3 metres only.
I like the indoors ability of the Oly800 and Fuji10 but xD card is a minus to me. Like you, I love the versatility of A620. Just pop a tele lens to it... and utilise all the controls.
Are you sure A620 supports external flash? I don't think so.All the output I've seen from the Oly 800 seem overprocessed and pushed beyond the inherent capabilities of its sensor. Perhaps that can be toned down with feature programming, but most P&S owners would never bother with that.

The Fuji F10 results look much better, both indoors and out.

coldrain
09-29-2005, 02:10 AM
Two P&S cameras you can use indoors without flash: Olympus Stylus 800 & Fuji FinePix 10. Both have max ISO1600. That's the reason for their indoors ability. But some people complain the Oly800 pictures at higher ISO is too noisy. (Would you rather have a noisy pic or no picture at all?)


The Olympus stylus 800 does not have real ISO1600 capability. The Fuji F10 and Z1 do. The Olympus is a normal 8mp compact camera with a little noisy results that one expects from an 8 mp camera like that. It goes to ISO 400. After ISO 400 scales back the resulting resolution and does some major noise reduction processing resulting in very bad picture quality, with aliasing that has to be seen to be believed, over sharpening and jpeg like artifacts that make the pictures mostly unusable! It makes one think "why didn't you use a flash, a tripod, or maybe try a fuji F10??"

With this kind of picture "quality", one would rather have no picture at all. The canon A620 is a much better camera, the only plus of the Olympus is that it is weather proof.

tim11
09-29-2005, 04:56 PM
The Olympus stylus 800 does not have real ISO1600 capability. ...............
Cheat? I'm shocked why a known company does this.

With this kind of picture "quality", one would rather have no picture at all. .......
IF ONLY I'm entititled to my own.

The canon A620 is a much better camera.....
Well......... I can't agree more.

smithkt
10-01-2005, 08:53 AM
I appreciate all the feedback. You have all been extremely helpful so far. I'd like to clarify a few things if you don't mind.

1) I was asked if I would often need to take indoor photos without a flash. The answer is no. In most situations, I would be taking photos in casual atmospheres without flash restictions. I just thought the F10's "natural light" mode sounded kind of cool. If the A610 or A620 can take great indoor pics with the assitance of a flash, that would be perfectly fine.

2) How much increase in the effective flash range does adding the external flash give you on the A610 or 620?

Since I happen to currrently own a 512MB xD card along with my Stylus 410, this is not as much of a problem for me. But no way, would I let that sway a decision. A quality camera is my first and only concern.

tim11
10-01-2005, 03:41 PM
smithkt, just in case you haven't realised.... Many new Canon cameras, incl. A620 use SD card.

smithkt
10-06-2005, 02:43 PM
Yep. I realize they use an SD card. Like I said, I'm not really concerned with this at all. If I could use the existing xD card on my next camera, great. If I can't, no problem, I'll buy the SD card.

More important to me is to get a good camera. The storage medium is of little significance.

Can anyone address the questions I asked in my previous post regarding the flash and whether the natural light mode on the F10 is something that would matter to the casual photographer?